GUILTY MN - George Floyd, 46, died in custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #19 - Chauvin Jury Deliberations #2

[imstilla.grandma]

A Change Is gonna Come...

Oh Yes It Will...

 

[kaen]

I don't necessarily think they got it wrong... But, I also feel like we'll never truly know whether their decisions were based solely on the entirety of the evidence presented in court. JMO

In closing the prosecution team set out the factors that pointed to each charge. I believe the jury agreed and it was about what was presented. The idea that they got it wrong because we (the public) don't see it and to question their job is a shame.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I suspect there will be appeals.

I don't think the verdict will be overturned.

JMVHO.

It's better for the country if this trial is not overturned. JMO

 

[gitana1]

We cannot forget Darnella, the young hero whose action made these charges stick. She had the courage to video this horrendous act. Without her video, I doubt there would have even been charges. Thank you Darnella. May you have peace now.

Poor kid. That’s an awful tragic lesson to learn about our society and her place in it, so young.

 

[BritsKate]

I thought I was going to be jubilant with this rightful verdict. Instead I just feel sick. Sick that a man lost his life unnecessarily. Sick, that what we've witnessed was murder. Sick, that a man has thrown his life away also due to his negligent and biased actions. Sick that there are some that support his actions. Just sick.

And sad, I'm so incredibly grateful to the jury but Gianna's dad won't be able to chase off boyfriends, walk her down the aisle. hold her children someday or tell her how proud he is of her. No verdict will erase or ease the pain of that.

But I will go to my own grave believing her dad did indeed change the world. I know my own beliefs have been challenged and reformed by this man's last literal breath. And I know I am not alone in that. I am grateful he lived and loved and even more grateful that the world's attention was captured when he died. He deserved that because he mattered.

 

[ElizaKate]

I agree. I’m sad. Not jubilant. Sad that we have to fight so hard for justice for black folk in this great nation of ours.

Was George Floyd an upstanding citizen? No. But he didn’t deserve the death penalty. His conduct wasn’t close to meriting what happened to him.

And the pipeline to prison that masquerades as public school in so many areas as well the inherent bias that leads to black people being pulled over more often, searched more often, arrested more often, charged more harshly, found guilty more often and sentenced more harshly than whites people, for the very same conduct, leads to too many black people involved in the criminal justice system.

I remember an interview with a man who did 20 years for having pot in his car. He talked about how when it’s a white teen pulled over, the response is often to call their parents, let them off with a warning or even drive them home. (Firsthand experience- totally true). But a black kid? Such an event is life-changing. Too rarely are black people afforded the same chances.

I don’t celebrate today. A man was murdered due to a system as a whole that’s damaged. One we are all a part of.

I don’t believe cops are bad or more racist than anyone else. I think they’re part of a societal system that needs to be fixed.

They are a mirror for all Americans. Until we can all see ourselves I’m not sure how much change we can have.

Hear hear. Brilliantly said.

 

[Chelly]

HLN cameras are on Steve Schleicher
and Jerry Blackwell news conference. Happening now.

 

[gitana1]

I will not be surprised if this trial is overturned. JMO

I would be very surprised if the verdicts are overturned. That’s not easy to do.

 

[crhedBngr]

It's better for the country if this trial is not overturned. JMO

NAL, but I don't think there are any grounds to do so.

JMVHO.

 

[MadMcGoo]

I don’t think change will come. Very unfortunate. It will take much more than a guilty verdict in this case. Much, much, much more. JMO

 

[MTW2011]

Yes. I don’t believe the polar opposite of what they found. I just don’t agree with everything. Seems I’m the only one. LOL. That’s fine.

Going back to the jury instructions (sorry, hope thats OK)
The part of "assault" is complex IMO, especially when you get to "intentional act" but that the State doesn't (or didn't) have to prove intent. "Assault" seems like it could apply to any sort of use of force / tough restraint, in this cqs, against someone being taken into custody who may not want to be taken into custody. NOT trying to argue the verdict at all, I just think it's interesting to now see the verdict and flip back to what the jury believed was proven by the State.

From the instructions :
"
The elements of the crime of Murder in the Second Degree while committing a felony ‘
are:
First Element: The death of George Floyd must be proven. Second Element: The Defendant caused the death of George Floyd.
Third Element: The Defendant, at the time. of causing the death of George Floyd, was committing or attempting to commit the felony offense of Assault in the Third Degree. It is not necessary for the State to prove the Defendant had an intent to kill George Floyd, but it must prove that the Defendant committed or attempted to commit the underlying felony of Assault in the Third Degree.
There are two elements of Assault in the Third Degree:
(l)
(2)
Defendant assaulted George Floyd.
“Assault” is the intentional infliction of bodily harm upon another or the attempt to inflict bodily harm upon another. The intentional infliction of bodily harm requires proof that the Defendant intentionally applied unlawful
force to another person without that person’s consent and that this act resulted in bodily harm. Defendant inflicted substantial bodily harm on George Floyd. It is not necessary for the State to prove that the Defendant intended to inflict substantial bodily harm, or knew that his actions would inflict substantial bodily harm, only that the Defendanf intended to commit the assault and that George Floyd sustained substantial bodily harm as a result of the assault.

--

 

[crhedBngr]

Poor kid. That’s an awful tragic lesson to learn about our society and her place in it, so young.

Absolutely. She'll never forget it, unfortunately.

 

[BUF]

AG Ellison is speaking now...

 

[Inthedetails]

Moments of celebration help keep up spirits, remind us that we want better for our nation and remind us that we CAN do better. Celebrations nourish ourselves and each other, which we all desperately need after the past year - at least I do.

It's perfectly okay not to celebrate if you don't want, but it's also a day for relief and....feeling good. I feel good. Tomorrow there is more work to do. Tonight, I celebrate.

jmo

 

[kaen]

@deenafaywinter

From the pool reporter: Philonise Floyd was in the courtroom, he sat with his head bowed and his hands folded in front of his face, perhaps in prayer.
"You could hear a pin drop if the courtroom wasn’t carpeted." pool reporter said

After the verdict was read & Chauvin was handcuffed and taken into custody, Philonise Floyd hugged Blackwell, Ellison and the other prosecutor. Ellison and Blackwell heartily shook hands.
From the other pool reporter: At 3:55pm, Chauvin’s attorney tried talking to him, but he was "in a daze," staring towards the empty jury seating area. He snapped out of it after a few seconds and listened. Chauvin then turned his chair and looked back several seconds to Philonise

Philonise was still praying. Pool reporter said "I have not caught them looking at each other at the same time, but the two men are aware of each other’s presence and have stared at the other at times."

"As the first guilty verdict was read, his hands began shaking while clasped. The became shakier during the second reading. And during the third reading, his hands were shaking back and forth with his head down and eyes closed as his head nodded up and down." - pool reporter

Downstairs in the lobby, the pool reporter asked Philonise Floyd what he was praying for in court and he said, "I was just praying they would find him guilty. As an African American, we usually never get justice."

"There was no noticeable reaction from the jury. Whereas during trial they each had their own idiosyncrasies, they remained still and quiet staring at the judge until they were called upon by the judge," per today's pool reporter
@joshscampbell

So, it does sound like he was affected by the guilty verdicts. It is unfortunate that he seems so cold. I would love to hear from him someday but today is a day to honor Mr. Floyd and his family.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Wow. The harshest charge.

We shall see at the state has to deal with the Blakely and the 5 aggravators (see post on page 1 of this thread)

 

[Moonshine77]

Been reading all you’re posts, while watching court TV here in the UK.

thanking you all for your contributing and discussions.
Thankful that GF got justice , I hope his family can mourn his loss now, knowing his death has been acknowledged as murder.

I am sad though that two men lost their lives for 20 dollars! police in USA seem so hostile and aggressive towards people in general, much more so towards black men. I suspect another death like this will occur soon enough.

 

[crhedBngr]

I agree. I’m sad. Not jubilant. Sad that we have to fight so hard for justice for black folk in this great nation of ours.

Was George Floyd an upstanding citizen? No. But he didn’t deserve the death penalty. His conduct wasn’t close to meriting what happened to him.

And the pipeline to prison that masquerades as public school in so many areas as well the inherent bias that leads to black people being pulled over more often, searched more often, arrested more often, charged more harshly, found guilty more often and sentenced more harshly than whites people, for the very same conduct, leads to too many black people involved in the criminal justice system.

I remember an interview with a man who did 20 years for having pot in his car. He talked about how when it’s a white teen pulled over, the response is often to call their parents, let them off with a warning or even drive them home. (Firsthand experience- totally true). But a black kid? Such an event is life-changing. Too rarely are black people afforded the same chances.

I don’t celebrate today. A man was murdered due to a system as a whole that’s damaged. One we are all a part of.

I don’t believe cops are bad or more racist than anyone else. I think they’re part of a societal system that needs to be fixed.

They are a mirror for all Americans. Until we can all see ourselves I’m not sure how much change we can have.

Well said, @gitana1 .

 

[margarita25]

AG Ellison is speaking now...

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[Deleted member 39678]

NAL, but I don't think there are any grounds to do so.

JMVHO.

I'm confused. What grounds would there be to not overturn this trial?