MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #10 - Chauvin Trial Day 7

[Katerz]

Wow. Don't you think he should have checked? GF was not resisting. He was motionless. They offered no medical help. Chauvin just continued to put pressure on GF, neck even after he was dead. After GF was in custody, he was in the care of those officers and they let him die.

I don’t understand how people don’t see that. It amazes me how one sided some people’s minds are. At the end of the day, as you said, once they took him into custody, he became their responsibility. They were supposed to keep him alive, and they failed.

 

[Cubby]

Then why is Hall so fearful to testify?

If Hall gave GF drugs, he could face serious charges.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

This is getting repetitive - I think the jury gets it. This wasn’t authorized and it wasn’t part of the training! I hope this is the last witness in this. We know state has use of force experts in addition to these LE witnesses. It’s gonna get tedious!

Yet the defense had options to restrict such during in limines prior to trial. So were are where we are.

As they say in consumer products for advertisements... folks need to hear the message at least three times "to get it" MOO.

It is also butressing the prosecution as to that all in LE have agreed it was wrong.

Defense will perhaps counter with their LE. Perhaps they will also have 5-6 LE officers within MPD saying what he did was ok to do.. to knee on neck even after minutes of no response.

we shall see?????????

 

[ACE422]

Yes, but how often do you encounter someone that was thrashing around and couldn’t be restrained by one man, nor three men to simply put him in a car ? Needed to be restrained for their own safety as well as others ?

I’ve been trained on restraints, the risks of positional asphyxiation, aspiration, catecholamine rush, etc. those restraints pose. I have applied restraints myself and with other people. A large portion of that training is in regards to what to observe for when you are restraining someone to ensure their safety, when to release someone from that restraint, and how to respond with medical attention. If you are restraining someone- you would absolutely feel when they go limp or if they stop breathing. We know he was not breathing because the officers found no pulse while the restraint was still being applied. There is a link to transcripts of their body cam audio that addresses this.

Yes, but how often do you encounter someone that was thrashing around and couldn’t be restrained by one man, nor three men to simply put him in a car ? Needed to be restrained for their own safety as well as others ?

Yes, but how often do you encounter someone that was thrashing around and couldn’t be restrained by one man, nor three men to simply put him in a car ? Needed to be restrained for their own safety as well as others ?

 

[Simply Southern]

Chauvin didn't bother to check and when another officer asked to roll GF over, Chauvin said no.

Biggest mistake of Chauvins life. He was at GF head, could have checked pulse at anytime.

I've not watched all the testimony in detail. Has the prosecution demonstrated a policy/protocol for checking/medical assessment during restraint thru testimony?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

So other than the hearing with Hall... I missed nothing by sleeping in?

It appears that there is no more debate about whether GF did or didn't ingest some sort of drug/drugs when MPD arrived?

I was up late and was rewatching some video's and reading the autopsy report. I had a thought while I was watching... they say that drugs were found in the squad car after the fact.. anyone have an opinion about where those drugs came from? They checked his pockets and were empty. His shoes maybe?

I don't know the laws in Minnesota, but from my LivePD watching days, I recall LE telling those that are arrested that they are better off telling LE where the drugs are hidden because if they find it when they go to jail it's a higher charge?

Oh I also saw on one of the video's the dripping from the squad car! I think it was in Keung's body cam video. If anyone has any doubt, I suggest watching it in full screen

This post was about drugs, and then this is stated? ???? Are you talking about the MOO AC unit leaking from the squad car in body cam? We discussed that last night again, after again and again. A poster went to support a theory it was the AC condensation after many posts show wasn't GF.

MOO. In and out.. if you have need for more info, see last night or perhaps someone can bump/ or copy/paste links?

HTH

Comment on post I'm responding to said

"I don't know the laws in Minnesota, but from my LivePD watching days, I recall LE telling those that are arrested that they are better off telling LE where the drugs are hidden because if they find it when they go to jail it's a higher charge?

Oh I also saw on one of the video's the dripping from the squad car! I think it was in Keung's body cam video. If anyone has any doubt, I suggest watching it in full screen '

Perhaps I have misunderstood the OP inferring that the dripping from the car was or was not the AC condensation from running.. great point if so as last night again, we have time stamp on video again... and "if anyone has any doubt"

Perhaps you too were saying it was AC?

 

[Boodles]

Does anyone know whether Chauvin was interviewed on video as part of the critical incident investigation? Did he talk or request an attorney? I haven’t heard anything about an interview – wondering whether one took place. TIA.

 

[missy1974]

Not sure how big this will be in the post. But nelson just showed the witness this.

 

[missy1974]

Does anyone know whether Chauvin was interviewed on video as part of the critical incident investigation? Did he talk or request an attorney? I haven’t heard anything about an interview – wondering whether one took place. TIA.

I don't think we know this yet, I asked the other day as well. I have a feeling the union/lawyers told him not to talk. JMO

 

[missy1974]

From Keung body cam, witness says that the shin is across his shoulder.

I didn't wake up early enough to see all of the direct testimony, but this guy seems to be helping the defense. IMO

ETA: Nelson just clarified, it's Lane's body cam footage

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I can’t argue against any of that. Makes sense to me.

I will however suggest police have lots & lots of experience with suspects claiming they can’t breathe when the person appears (with their limited training) to be breathing just fine.

Exactly. I think that many here will agree, but "so what"? Then we move forward in the case. It's part of consideration to take into account for the big picture (as someone said upthread.. a DUI person says only 2 drinks) Words can be active or passive...

The example that Nelson gave are "I'm having a heart attack" vs. "Screw You".

MOO, that even gives me more the the side of the fence that he wasn't a "screw you" agressive type of response, but was more passive MOO

 

[Katerz]

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Not sure how big this will be in the post. But nelson just showed the witness this.

That’s still not where Chauvin had his knee though. His knee was in the SIDE of the neck not across upper back or neck.

 

[Blondiexoxo]

What nelson is presenting is training for handcuffing a suspect, not continuous restraint. We’ve already heard testimony that it’s ok to kneel on a suspect when handcuffing them. But GF was not resisting so it didn’t warrant DC’s knee anywhere on him.

 

[missy1974]

Another still from 3 minutes later... appears to be across the shoulder. (witness says)

 

[missy1974]

Knee appears to placed between shoulder blades.

 

[ElizaKate]

Hearing outside the presence of the jury this morning - Maurice Hall - Floyd’s car passenger & drug dealer and supplier of drugs Floyd ingested that day. Doesn’t want to testify. Doesn’t want to plead the 5th repeatedly in front of the jury and the prosecution doesn’t want him to either. He fears a murder conviction for supplying

The cop can’t get a fair trial without Hall.

Hall previously described Floyd as nodded off and they were unable to rouse him before police arrived.
He said the drugs he gave Floyd were not meant to be taken at once and said Floyd claimed he would take them later

Car was searched twice & drugs found

Hall was seen on video removing items from backpack and tossing them

Hall FLED the state immediately

I'm intrigued to know why you think Chauvin can't get a fair trial without Hall testifying? Pretty big statement. Fairly certain the judge would demand it if that was the case.

If drugs contributed to GF's death that will be stated when we come to the medical testimonies. Where those drugs potentially came from? - what does that matter to the case of whether Chauvin's actions also/fully contributed to the death?

 

[Blondiexoxo]

Knee is very up high on Gf’s shoulders, at the very top of the shoulder blades which may aswell be his neck because the knee is putting pressure on that entire upper area and pressing him to the floor.

 

[missy1974]

again, between the shoulder blades, the little dot is GF's head

 

[Niner]

Sorry - but these will be my last tweet posted - RL calls!

Lou Raguse
@LouRaguse

Lt. Mercil testified on direct examination that this is not a neck restraint as taught by MPD.

On cross-examination, said a neck restraint could render unconscious in 10 seconds, which I believe Nelson was getting at to argue that the knee wasn't where the state says it was.



link: https://twitter.com/louraguse?s=21



Cathy Russon
@cathyrusson
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Mercil testified that MPD does not train officers to use neck restraint by using their legs.


Nelson on cross-exam of use of force expert - Mercil agrees being a police officer is relatively a dangerous job. Mercil agrees officers have to take in many factors, IE: partner safety, crowd control.


Nelson describes the difference between chokehold and neck restraint per MPD policy. Mercil agrees chokehold considered lethal/deadly use of force blocking airway from front side. Mercil says Chauvin did not use a chokehold on #GeorgeFloyd.


Nelson: Neck restraint requires both sides of the neck to be compressed to render a person unconscious. Mercil agrees. Controlled substance use factors in, speeds up unconscious factor. Mercil agrees again.

Nelson shows this screenshot from 8:23:32 pm. Mercil agrees the leg placement of Chauvin, it appears the shin is coming from top of shoulder, across the shoulder blade.



link: https://twitter.com/cathyrusson

 

[Linda7NJ]

Damn - video perspective matters -

knee was never on his neck