MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #11 - Chauvin Trial Day 8

[Tom_Servo]

I suppose the response here mirror a jury or maybe they reflect people's preconceived notions? Some posting "Nelson is painting a fantasy" or "Nelson is beating a dead horse" as opposed to "Nelson is doing well" and "Nelson is having success with this witness".

I think this illustrates how this trial isn't a slam dunk for either side.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Nelson: And again here you've got the shoulder blade, shoulder blade, Mr. Chauvin's knee is sort of at the base of the neck.

Photo:
https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1379837249232252931?s=21

TW: They're going to play video now, but no audio.

N: There are points in time at which Mr. Floyd picks up his head, and moves, agreed?
S: He attempted to early on. He was saying he couldn't breathe, so I assumed he was attempting to try to breathe better.

 

[MadMcGoo]

I think what this witness just said it very important. (Paraphrasing) A reasonable person would have realized that something drastically changed with GF during the restraint. The situation should have been reassessed.

 

[Chelly]

You're missing all the points Nelson is getting the prosecution witness to agree with the defense on

In your opinion, right?

 

[JerseyGirl]

Schleicher is now up for the redirect.

Schleicher: ...the known risks w/ respect to positional asphyxia is the risk related to the pressure on the neck or the pressure on the body?
Stiger: The pressure on the body, any additional pressure on the body complicates breathing...



https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1379838337230516231?s=21

 

[delilah]

The photo they just showed, do we know what the time stamp is from when the paramedic made Chauvin move? Because he would have to rock to his right side with his weight to get up. Jmo

approximately 20:28.45 on Lane’s body cam. It looks to me like Chauvin is leaning forward so placing a lot of his body weight through his left knee at that point.

 

[JerseyGirl]

TW: Playing body worn camera video of Chauvin's arrival.

It's paused when Officer Lane is on the other side attempting to pull Floyd into the squad.

Schleicher: Were you able to detect any indication that the Mr. Floyd was under some sort of distress?
Stiger: Based on his comments and based on his actions, yes.

https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1379839108940451843?s=21

 

[Algo214]

"If it's not lawful nor objectively reasonable, it's just awful" (paraphrasing)

I think we're almost done here.

 

[wasnt_me]

I suppose the response here mirror a jury or maybe they reflect people's preconceived notions? Some posting "Nelson is painting a fantasy" or "Nelson is beating a dead horse" as opposed to "Nelson is doing well" and "Nelson is having success with this witness".

I think this illustrates how this trial isn't a slam dunk for either side.

I think that no matter what anyone thinks or comments, once the jury is back there with the law and their instructions, they must do the right thing no matter what dead horse got beat or how well anyone perceived a side as doing. The jury will go down the counts and when they get a match to DC's actions, that's it. I think they will get a match on one of these. I'm thinking 3rd degree manslaughter.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Schleicher: Is it your opinion, to a degree of professional certainty, that the force you've identified as applied by the defendant...was a objectively reasonable or not objectively reasonable?
Stiger: It was not objectively reasonable.

https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1379839407025491969?s=21

Schleicher: In the context the words of the defendant vs the actions telling someone to relax when you're sitting on top of them. Is that an effective de escalation techniques in your opinion?
Stiger: Not necessarily.

Stiger: His breath was getting slower, his tone of voice were getting lower, his movements were starting to cease...As an officer on scene you have a responsibility to realize that okay, something is not right...you have responsibility to take some type of action.

Stiger:...you can have a situation where...it looks horrible to the common eye, but based on the state law, it, it's lawful.
Schleicher: But if it's not objectively reasonable and it's not lawful, then it's just awful.
Stiger: Correct.
Schleicher: Nothing further.


Nelson following up with Stiger.

N: You were not personally there the day of the incident. S: Correct.
N: And you would not have known how people were feeling.
S: Correct.

 

[delilah]

overwhelming reasonable doubt established witness after prosecution witness -
It’s insurmountable in my opinion.

Do you think that is the case for all charges, even manslaughter?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Do you think that is the case for all charges, even manslaughter?

yes. I see no evidence of malice

 

[wasnt_me]

I think what this witness just said it very important. (Paraphrasing) A reasonable person would have realized that something drastically changed with GF during the restraint. The situation should have been reassessed.

Agreed, and there is proof that rational people thought this. Every bystander, the 9-11 operator, and Lang or AJ Keug, one of which couldn't find a pulse and asked to roll GF over. It is also evidenced in the video when Lang ends the hobble restraint and is at a lot of points either barely touching Floyd or not touching his legs at all. I mean, how is this force justified when Keug is picking stuff off tires while they wait?

 

[JerseyGirl]

State has called their next witness, BCA Senior Special Agent James Reyerson.

https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1379841655029784578?s=21

 

[Linda7NJ]

In your opinion, right?

no, not opinion, he’s getting the witness to agree to a whole lot

 

[wasnt_me]

no, not opinion, he’s getting the witness to agree to a whole lot

Yes, a lot of general things that are correct to agree to. Things that pertain to what DC did...notsomuch, but you are welcome to your opinion, and I'll respect that it's what you think.

 

[missy1974]

State has called their next witness, BCA Senior Special Agent James Reyerson.

https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1379841655029784578?s=21

Ok surely this witness is not going to turn into a good defense witness too, right?

 

[Chelly]

no, not opinion, he’s getting the witness to agree to a whole lot

Sadly for the defense, it likely won't be enough to swing the jury to acquit, IMO, of course.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Reyerson, the BCA agent, has investigated other police killings in Minneapolis, including the deaths of Thurman Blevins and Travis Jordan shooting; he previously worked as an NYPD cop, a DEA special agent, a special agent with MN Department of Commerce Fraud Bureau.

https://twitter.com/stribjany/status/1379842074028150787?s=21

 

[Weki]

What is the point of this witness from BCA? I feel like he’s going to repeat what the expert said. Where is the medical examiner?

ETA: NVM obviously I’m getting impatient. This is an important witness!