MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #12 - Chauvin Trial Day 9

[Chelly]

Judge just said: "Let's take a five-minute break so we can all get our voices back".

 

[delilah]

The good doctor Tobin destroyed the fentanyl OD theory.

 

[missy1974]

What I've learnt from watching this trial live (actually my first time watching a live trial) is that trial by media is a very real and very damaging thing. IMO.

RSBM

I wish more people understood this.

Speaking for myself.. it's why I like to watch the trials myself, and live streamed without commentary from tv "experts". I try not to watch news clips, because more often than not, they get it wrong IMO

Canada is like the UK.. but possibly worse? lol we have publication bans until the trial starts!

 

[ilovewings]

Yes. I wondered tbh, if it was worth not cross examining this witness at all and just relying on his own expert later down the line.

Nelson got nowhere with this witness

 

[turaj]

Well Nelson really hurt his case by taking on the good dr. The fact that he gets $500/hr when on paid jobs frankly did nothing for me. The State attorney was really on a roll with that cross and I think the Dr. was a home run for the state.

 

[branmuffin]

At this point, what do you all think the verdict will be based on the EVIDENCE presented thus far (rather than your emotions and initial beliefs before trial)? Remember, that the defense hasn't presented their case.

Guilty of ?

1) Murder 2nd Degree
2) Murder 3rd Degree
3) Manslaughter 2nd Degree

4) Not Guilty on all charges
5) Hung Jury

I would make a poll if I knew how to (and if it's allowed).

Murder, 3rd degree

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I appreciate the diligence of the juror, but hope that the focus of jury deliberations is on actual testimony, not her interpretation from her education or experience.

It should be both MOO. That is the purpose of a jury, that they bring all of their opinions, background etc etc etc to such

MOO

Isn't that what jurors are for??

I'm curious as to this post as to why should her interpretation, education and experience not be considered during the deliberations? That is EXACTLY what jurors are for. Or am I misunderstanding?

 

[Algo214]

"Do people who die from a fentanyl overdose go into a coma? Yes; was Mr. Floyd ever in a coma? No"

We really are done here

 

[Weki]

The good doctor Tobin destroyed the fentanyl OD theory.

Smashed it to pieces! Here comes the toxicologist to pulverize it hopefully

 

[turaj]

Oh sleepy time EE is up for the state...why do I not enjoy watching her questioning the witnesses?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

CourtTv made some good points about Tobin is not A ME and should not have stated cause of death. They also mention that he has no way to know GF O2 level.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

*chokes on morning coffee* laughing with what the witness just said re bruising. He said... paraphrasing.. when I go to church, I sit on a hard bench, but when I leave I don't have bruising.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Next up:

Dr. Daniel Isenschmid is a forensic toxicologist with NMS Labs in Pennsylvania.

They're going over his educational background.

https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1380241294069530625?s=21

 

[ElizaKate]

*chokes on morning coffee* laughing with what the witness just said re bruising. He said... paraphrasing.. when I go to church, I sit on a hard bench, but when I leave I don't have bruising.

Loved this comment! Just made himself even more likeable to jury. Those who are religious will appreciate it. Those who aren't will appreciate the humour. Win win.

 

[delilah]

*chokes on morning coffee* laughing with what the witness just said re bruising. He said... paraphrasing.. when I go to church, I sit on a hard bench, but when I leave I don't have bruising.

“...on my buttocks...”

 

[ElizaKate]

“...on my buttocks...”

haha that was it! key addition.

 

[CrimeAway]

I'm from the UK too

I came to the case from the other side thinking Chauvin is the worst of the worst, but interested in hearing the defense's case.

What I've learnt from watching this trial live (actually my first time watching a live trial) is that trial by media is a very real and very damaging thing.

I still have my opinion that is in favour of the state at present, but there are definitely things that I've come to learn from this trial already that make me consider points in favour of the defense, so before making any decision I await their case.

In the UK we don't really get that benefit as much. Yes we can read hundreds of pages of trial transcripts after the trial ends, but we don't get the benefit of understanding all the evidence at the time of the trial, and all we know is through the media.

One of the reasons I think the UK needs to catch up televised/live video trials IMO.

I totally agree!!!

 

[branmuffin]

I think that Nelson is out of his depth. His fumbling with questions and saying, "Would you agree?" seems to make it seem like he doesn't know where he is going because the witness has to correct him too often.

I think he's flustered by an expert witness who doesn't get paid, who has over forty years of experience, who's been listed as one of the best doctors in America, who's trained a couple of generations of pulmonary doctors from all over the world and is providing an overview of how anyone would die if all the variants inflicted on GF were inflicted on them regardless of other circumstances.

 

[CrimeAway]

RSBM

I wish more people understood this.

Speaking for myself.. it's why I like to watch the trials myself, and live streamed without commentary from tv "experts". I try not to watch news clips, because more often than not, they get it wrong IMO

Canada is like the UK.. but possibly worse? lol we have publication bans until the trial starts!

The media has been outrageously biased in the coverage of this case, IMO, and I think that is incredibly damaging.

By only reporting on the facts that support a certain narrative, the media denies the general public the ability to make an informed decision IMO.

I don't think that most people will have the time, knowledge, or inclination that many of us on WS have. If they are relying on the media, even sources who I generally consider reliable and objective, I think that they will be prevented from getting a full and fair assessment of this case.

All MOO

 

[ElizaKate]

Been missing @UKslueth2018 helpful transcriptions. Hope you're okay