MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #13 - Chauvin Trial Day 10

[tlcya]

'First' being the operable word.

agreed. Baker held his own. Nelson can go lick his wounds with that small irrelevant victory.

 

[CrimeAway]

I find the mention of this pill by the defense odd. Any reasonable person can understand if a pill is found outside of a body, it is not possible to have ingested it. Perhaps if it were implied to be in soneone's mouth, the majority of said pill is still intact so any amount ingested would be very minimal. Jmo

Not necessarily IMO. If an entire pill weighed about 0.397g, was determined to be 1% fentanyl (testified to by BCA & NMS scientists), and various pieces, possibly totalling 0.100g were missing. If only those missing pieces were possibly consumed by someone, they could contain 1000 mcg of fentanyl, which is not an insignificant dose IMO.

 

[turaj]

going into this case I sure was expecting more from defense and had an open mind....but unless he really turns it around with defense case...really disappointed in defense.

 

[Katerz]

agreed. Baker held his own. Nelson can go lick his wounds with that small irrelevant victory.

As long as he doesn’t come to FL to lay in the prone position while he does it!

 

[kittythehare]

Would GF have died if the compression only lasted 5 mins, for example? Would his heart condition or effects of fentanyl usage (exacerbated by the encounter with LE) have killed him regardless? Would the restraint have had the same effect on an otherwise healthy person? These are questions I have only after Dr. Baker’s testimony.

Dr Baker repeatedly deferred these questions to experts in those fields, cardiologists, pulmonologists and toxicologists as being the appropriate sources to respond to these questions.
They did that yesterday while dealing with and describing actual footage of a living man. George Floyd was alive until his life was extinguished by external as opposed to organic forces.
He did not apply these forces to his own body.

 

[MadMcGoo]

https://twitter.com/DannySpewak/status/1380619271177396230

NELSON: "In terms of the placing of Mr. Chauvin’s knee, would that explain... would that anatomically cut off Mr. Floyd’s air?" DR. BAKER: "In my opinion, it would not."

For the many asking about how this impacts "intent" in the minds of the jurors, remember, second-degree murder requires proof that Chauvin intended to commit felony assault leading to Floyd's death. It doesn't require proof that he specifically intended to kill Floyd.

I don’t think the State can prove 2nd degree murder, I don’t think they will prove 3rd degree murder (although it’s not over), but I think they have proven manslaughter.

 

[MadMcGoo]

Dr Baker repeatedly deferred these questions to experts in those fields, cardiologists, pulmonologists and toxicologists as being the appropriate sources to respond to these questions.
They did that yesterday while dealing with and describing actual footage of a living man. George Floyd was alive until his life was extinguished by external as opposed to organic forces.
He did not apply these forces to his own body.

I almost wish Dr. Baker would have testified first, before the other medical experts. I’m trying to see things as a juror would.

 

[Chelly]

@cathyrusson
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#DerekChauvinTrial - On redirect Dr. Baker said his opinion has not changed on the cause of death or the manner of death. Manner of death is Homicide (that can only be at the hands of another)

 

[turaj]

Well talking heads on Court TV...they think Nelson had a great day!

 

[CrimeAway]

But for. But for. But for. It's just more hypotheticals. Dr Baker isn't a fool Nelson.

I think that Nelson is trying to illustrate areas of reasonable doubt for the jury, and as defense counsel, that's his job, IMO.

 

[kittythehare]

I almost wish Dr. Baker would have testified first, before the other medical experts. I’m trying to see things as a juror would.

You're right, you know.
It would have made for a more coherent presentation.
However, each of them testified that they were fully versed in the autopsy report supplied by Dr Baker.
Again, Baker's job is to deal with a dead body, they were concerned with presenting coherent evidence from a living body, as he slowly and agonisingly died and a simple request for a drink of water went ignored/ A drink of water that could have saved his life, if given because he would have had an opportunity to sit up and refill his lungs while consuming it...

That's all it would have taken because the quantities of drugs in his system were minimal
https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hen...lic-safety/documents/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf

 

[CrimeAway]

Are we still on break in real time?

I started WAY behind today.

 

[MadMcGoo]

That’s a wrap. Until 9:30 Monday morning...

 

[ElizaKate]

I think that Nelson is trying to illustrate areas of reasonable doubt for the jury, and as defense counsel, that's his job, IMO.

Taking the facts away from a case to create a different outcome doesn't create reasonable doubt. It creates a falsehood. A fictitious story.

ETA: Nelson can feel free to try to convince me that GF died due to the drugs he took. But he can't put GF in a completely different location, under completely different circumstances, without three officers on top of him MOO

 

[Chelly]

Court in recess until Monday, April 12, 9:30 a.m.

 

[Tom_Servo]

Taking the facts away from a case to create a different outcome doesn't create reasonable doubt. It creates a falsehood. A fictitious story.

And a perfect defense strategy.

 

[ACE422]

I can too, but in homicide cases, analyzing the crime scene is usually an important part of the autopsy.

I believe it was a smart move not to view it prior to autopsy. He did view it prior to releasing the body, so if the video would have given him cause to look for anything additional relevant to what was seen on it , he had the opportunity to do so.
The defense would had a hay day with it if he had viewed it prior to the video IMO.

*Edited to remove what could appear to be drunk texting. Geesh.

 

[Chelly]

@cathyrusson
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#DerekChauvinTrial - Judge adjourning for the weekend. He said the state had another medical witness ready but it would likely keep them there too late so he'll wait until Monday

 

[Chelly]

HLN just reported that prosecution has two "spark of life" witnesses yet to call, one of whom is GF's brother.

 

[shotgun09]

Example of 'reasonable doubt' that I noticed today:

Nelson: "The heart disease as well as history of hypertension and the drugs that were in his system contributed to his death?"

Dr. Baker: "In my opinion, yes."