GUILTY MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #9 - Chauvin Trial Day 6

[thx4_medic_Babby]

IMO, we’re now witnessing the state shift from “intent” to “negligence.” I’m not sure how this aligns with 2nd degree murder, but alas.

 

[UKslueth2018]

In accordance with MPd policy how are they supposed to encounter individual with crisis

W: when people are experiencing crisis it is something they haven’t brought on themselves. There is a dignity. Often we are the first face of government they will see

That’s not all he said talked too quick!

 

[CrimeAway]

asphyxia simply put means no oxygen getting to the brain - doesn’t denote the cause

I want to expand on your statement quoted above. Not only does asphyxia refer to no/insufficient oxygen getting to the brain, but to all the other tissues and organs of the body.
asphyxia

Human tissues and organs can survive differing levels of hypOpoxia (hypO = lOw) for differing amounts of time based on factors such as the general health of the individual, age, metabolic adaptation, metabolic speed and demand (could be influenced by factors such as activity, presence of drugs that may affect metabolism, cardiovascular health etc. etc. IMO), temperature (cases of individuals surviving hypoxia at low temperature for example).

I would like to add that, IMO, the occlusion of one or more coronary arteries, which supply oxygen and nutrients to the heart muscle itself, could (again IMO), produce a situation of hypoxia to that particular organ with/without a general condition of hypoxia existing throughout the entire body at that moment. Of course, once the cells of the heart muscle are not receiving sufficient oxygen, glucose and other nutrients (and being also unable to rid themselves of waste products, such as CO2), they will be unable to function properly. This can result in the heart failing to be able to contract and pump efficiently. If this is not corrected, all other cells, tissues and organs of the body will also fail to receive the oxygen and nutrients they need to function

I want to re emphasize that I like to explore all possibilities before forming a final decision on important decisions. I remain horrified by the treatment of Mr Floyd, and wish different decisions had been made that day.

ETA: I thought the ER doc today did a great job today, and he explained things MUCH better, and more accurately than any of the EMTs and paramedics called so far. It was blatantly obvious (IMO), that the Dr had a much more comprehensive understanding of the medical situation at hand.

 

[UKslueth2018]

Officer role as first responder as medical care

Are MPd yrained to provide basic care

Witness; yes we are

Most dept members will have basic training, abcs. Effects of applying pressure on wounds. Many of the things we will respond to as we are theere first. The training we have and receive is vital as seconds count

Officers carry tourniquet kits. Just two weeks ago my officers saved a young man

Chest compressions. Basic types of aid

 

[missy1974]

Now talking about policy on Emergency Medical Response...

I don't know how the defense gets past this. JMO

 

[UKslueth2018]

Does MPd have policy to apply that in real life training

Witness yes we absolutely have a duty for tender that add

Emergency medical response policy

7-350

Purpose is to lay out roles and responsibilities

Policy

Shows what officer is supposed to do

Witness
Shall while awaiting ems shall apply whatever medical skills they have

 

[UKslueth2018]

Are MPd provided narcan or naloxone
Witness:
Yes they are. Basically an inhaler for community members who have overdosed to give them that inhaler injection to come too

A few years ago we saw an uptick in herion and optiod overdose we were required to carry those

 

[Cubby]

i am amazed that at HCMC drug OD was not considered more by these professionals. They get gunshots and OD cases everyday non stop. So much important info seems to not have been transmitted to the ambulance crew...again that should have been the job of Chauvin and all the officers there. Someone should have said he had his airways blocked for a long time.

One would think if the defense was going with the OD route checking on any single person at the scene responding to GF as if he had od'd. Not one did. I don't think the jury will overlook that.

 

[UKslueth2018]

Use of force. Does MPd have use of force policy

Yes we do

Covers in 5-300 series manual

Yes it is

Ex 216

Purpose of policy

Sanctity of life and the protection of life

 

[MsBetsy]

IMO, we’re now witnessing the state shift from “intent” to “negligence.”

I don't think they have to prove intent, just negligent or 'reckless' behavior. (Knowing it could cause harm.)

 

[UKslueth2018]

has sanctity of life always been the case

No it has not. We implemented in 2016

Does the policy define force

Ex 217 use of force policy

Any intentional police contact

With a weapon, substance, vehicle, equipment

Is a restraint use of force

Yes

 

[UKslueth2018]

What type of force

Witness

Reasonable!

Circumstance to use force:

In effecting lawful arrest
Execution of legal process
In enforcing order of court

 

[Reasonable & Just]

Use of force. Does MPd have use of force policy

Yes we do

Covers in 5-300 series manual

Yes it is

Ex 216

Purpose of policy

Sanctity of life and the protection of life

I admire the Police Chief's testimony. As a juror, it would make an impression on me.

 

[UKslueth2018]

The amount and type of force that would be consider rational and logical to an objective officer

Connor factor. Supposed to look at totality of factors

 

[JerseyGirl]

Arradondo explains some of the basic types of first aid that police officers are trained on. This includes chest compressions, applying tourniquets, etc.

"We absolutely have a duty to render that aid."

Schleicher asks Arradondo about the highlighted part in MPD policy.

"While awaiting EMS, MPD employees assisting an individual having an acute medical crisis shall provide any necessary first aid consistent with MPD training, as soon as practical."

https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1379142951289372678?s=21

 

[Cubby]

the lack of communication between the scene/emt and emergency department boggles my mind. No consideration of drug overdose...I think this will give defense some ammo

EMT probably wasn't informed yet the officers at the scene suspected an overdose. Which explains why the ER doc didn't receive the information.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I have been watching this too...I assume the Show-vin is correct given it is Nelson using that pronunciation however local media are using both....Thao used Shaw-vin in interview. I find myself interchanging the two but always thought it was Show-vin.


"The crowd was growing ' is a theme that Defense is using..Thao hangs his hat on this in his interview...had to "control" the "crowd". I don't hang on streets or in areas where people tend to gather to make trouble and to me that sure did not look like any "crowd"...a handful of VERY VERBAL people that went to a store on a nice holiday evening.

the paramedics, independently, reached the same conclusion. That’s why they scooped him

 

[UKslueth2018]

Do you recall why the officers were responding to cup

Witness response regarding a counterfeit situation at store

I terms of the deployment of your resources how donrate the seriousness of that offence

Would not rise to the level, we would certainly respond but not rise to the level

Typically would not take suspect into custody

 

[Rocky1]

I don't think the vehicle was running during this time.

Interesting, and you may be right, but if the car wasn't running, then I think we can all agree that that stream of liquid on the ground was not condensation from the A/C evaporator.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Arradondo is now talking about MPD policy on Narcan which was developed after Minneapolis saw an "uptick" in heroin/opioid overdoses.

Schleicher asks Arradondo to read the first line in the use of force policy before asking what it means.

MA: "It is my firm belief that the one singular incident we will be judged forever on will be our use of force..."

https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1379143743136227330?s=21

Schleicher asks if the use of a restraint considered use of force. Arradondo says yes.

Schleicher asks what circumstances an officer is allowed to use force...