MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #9 - Chauvin Trial Day 6

[Linda7NJ]

UKSleuth is transcribing the trial...

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[UKslueth2018]

Am I correct understanding he originally watched police footage, in which he didn’t see a “issue?” It wasn’t until he was notified of a witness’ video which was sweeping the nation that he “saw” the situation differently?

That’s what he said. He paraphrased that with it was from a distance and had no sound.

 

[Lilibet]

Am I correct understanding he originally watched police footage, in which he didn’t see a “issue?” It wasn’t until he was notified of a witness’ video which was sweeping the nation that he “saw” the situation differently?

No, he watched video from a distance at the intersection first, which showed the backs of the officers, so it wasn’t possible to see the complete scene.

 

[ElizaKate]

Am I correct understanding he originally watched police footage, in which he didn’t see a “issue?” It wasn’t until he was notified of a witness’ video which was sweeping the nation that he “saw” the situation differently?

He said when he watched the Milestone camera he didn't initially see a problem. That camera is the one across the road high up next to the petrol station. So all you see is three officers detaining a suspect on the ground from behind. He wouldn't have seen the knee restraint in that CCTV footage.

 

[UKslueth2018]

Nelson is going through reasonable standards.

5-302 active aggression and active resistance

Aggression. Behaviour initiated by suspect when trying to get them under control

He talks too quick!!

 

[UKslueth2018]

Is it common based on your experience people like to be taken into custody

Witness No they do not

There maybe words they use to try and prevent the officer from arresting them

 

[delilah]

I think they started working on him as soon as he was loaded into the ambulance, from what I remember. They also were not told that the officers had been kneeling on Floyd's neck and back for nine minutes, which would have been an important detail.

Here’s my timeline again of the EMT response:

20:27.45: EMT Smith checks for corotid pulse and checks pupils. All three police officers are still holding GF down.
20:28.40: EMTs get stretcher ready. All three police officers are still on GF.
20:28.45: police get off and GF is loaded onto stretcher still cuffed.
20:29.28: GF is now in the ambulance.
20:29.42: police belt GF to the stretcher. EMT cuts off GF’s vest.
20:30.43: EMT Smith checks again for a pulse.
20:30.47: Officer Lane begins chest compressions.

Timings taken from Officer Lane’s bodycam.

I asked a paramedic today a hypothetical question as to what the procedure would be when attending a cardiac arrest - is it a) start CPR immediately b) relocate the patient to the ambulance to use specialist kit even if it means delaying any kind of CPR for 3 mins or c) something else? She said emphatically it is a). This is UK paramedics procedure so maybe US procedure is different but this means no life-saving measures were employed for 3 mins after no pulse was detected.

 

[UKslueth2018]

when an officer approach’s a situation is it possible that minor offence can grow

Witness yes

Officer stops speeding smells weed can turn into felony arrest

Witness yes

You agree being a police officer is dangerous

Witness. There is a risk

When an officer approaches a vehicle is hat considered to be dangerous

Witness. I don’t have the stats but yes it’s heightened

 

[Cubby]

Interesting, and you may be right, but if the car wasn't running, then I think we can all agree that that stream of liquid on the ground was not condensation from the A/C evaporator.

I disagree. Running or not, condensation will continue up to drip. GF'S pants appeared dry when he was lifted up, and iirc, that condensation was already on the street before GF was removed from the vehicle.

 

[missy1974]

Here’s my timeline again of the EMT response:

20:27.45: EMT Smith checks for corotid pulse and checks pupils. All three police officers are still holding GF down.
20:28.40: EMTs get stretcher ready. All three police officers are still on GF.
20:28.45: police get off and GF is loaded onto stretcher still cuffed.
20:29.28: GF is now in the ambulance.
20:29.42: police belt GF to the stretcher. EMT cuts off GF’s vest.
20:30.43: EMT Smith checks again for a pulse.
20:30.47: Officer Lane begins chest compressions.

Timings taken from Officer Lane’s bodycam.

I asked a paramedic today a hypothetical question as to what the procedure would be when attending a cardiac arrest - is it a) start CPR immediately b) relocate the patient to the ambulance to use specialist kit even if it means delaying any kind of CPR for 3 mins or c) something else? She said emphatically it is a). This is UK paramedics procedure so maybe US procedure is different but this means no life-saving measures were employed for 3 mins after no pulse was detected.

Thank you!!! I went back to look for this and couldn't find it

 

[UKslueth2018]

Defensive tactics you received very different to the training you had

Yes

Taking about using body movement and evolvement of policy. Specifically about weighted gloves being used then not.

 

[UKslueth2018]

Nelsons blurb:

If an officer was trained in a handcuffing technique. They go to training and then they get a different way. It’s not a policy change. It’s best practice.

 

[UKslueth2018]

Graham v Connor case

Supreme Court outlines. Objectively reasonable use of force.

Those are three listed. This is not a comprehensive list

Witness: yes

 

[UKslueth2018]

Calculase of reasonableness.

Amount of force reasonable for a situation.

Whar starts out as minor can grow into major, agreed

Witness; yes

You read a part of 5-304. De-escalate

Have you ever heard that you have to escalate before you de-escalate

Witness. No I have not heard that.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

This witness seems less confident under cross examination in my opinion.

 

[margarita25]

Graham v Connor case

Supreme Court outlines. Objectively reasonable use of force.

Those are three listed. This is not a comprehensive list

Witness: yes

(Quick reference:
Graham v. Connor, 490 U.S. 386, was a United States Supreme Court case where the Court determined that an objective reasonableness standard should apply to a civilian's claim that law enforcement officials used excessive force in the course of making an arrest, investigatory stop, or other "seizure" of his person. Wikipedia
Date decided: 1989
Date argued: 1989
Ruling courts: Supreme Court of the United States)

(Detailed: Graham v. Connor, 490 U.S. 386 (1989)
“Petitioner Graham, a diabetic, asked his friend, Berry, to drive him to a convenience store to purchase orange juice to counteract the onset of an insulin reaction. Upon entering the store and seeing the number of people ahead of him, Graham hurried out and asked Berry to drive him to a friend's house instead. Respondent Connor, a city police officer, became suspicious after seeing Graham hastily enter and leave the store, followed Berry's car, and made an investigative stop, ordering the pair to wait while he found out what had happened in the store. Respondent backup police officers arrived on the scene, handcuffed Graham, and ignored or rebuffed attempts to explain and treat Graham's condition. During the encounter, Graham sustained multiple injuries. He was released when Conner learned that nothing had happened in the store. Graham filed suit in the District Court under 42 U.S.C. § 1983 against respondents, alleging that they had used excessive force in making the stop, in violation of "rights secured to him under the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution and 42 U.S.C. § 1983."“”””more at link)

 

[UKslueth2018]

Sometimes an officer has to command the presence

Witness yes

Would you agree use of force is not an attractive notion

Witness. I would agree that most officers would prefer not to use force

 

[UKslueth2018]

There are limitations on use of force

Witness yes

It’s the use of force has no precise or single rule

Witness yes

De-escalation is advisable when it’s reasonable

Witness yes

 

[UKslueth2018]

Talking about de-escalation. Nelson is trying to get him to say that using force can de-escalate situation. Round and round we going.

I cannot type all this peoples

 

[UKslueth2018]

This witness seems less confident under cross examination in my opinion.

Lt Z was way better imo.. even though this guy chief!