MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 *officers charged* #3

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This situation reminds me of the OJ Simpson trial, 1995? I was in Los Angeles then, and everyone was on pins and needles if OJ was convicted.

It seems like there is the same sort of "threat" or almost like coercion that if the trial doesn't have the outcome a section of society deems appropriate, there will be civil unrest?

I don't remember any issues when Officer Noor was on trial for shooting Justine Damond.
 
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I am in Minneapolis and they are preparing for the city to burn. And I think it will spread to many other places in US just like at the time of the event/murder.
 
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Looking forward to opening statements March 29. Wondering if pretrial hearing will be streamed tomorrow, March 8.

it will be on courttv and the law and order network.

@cathyrusson (law&order)
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Correct, opening statements are set for March 29, HOWEVER, we will be broadcasting LIVE jury selection. Judge is allowing audio. Live coverage beings Monday, 8am CT/9am ET.


WATCH LIVE: Minnesota v. Derek Chauvin - Jury selection begins MONDAY
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I am in Minneapolis and they are preparing for the city to burn. And I think it will spread to many other places in US just like at the time of the event/murder.

That is pretty scary: so if they don't get the verdict they want they will burn down the city-- I ask you, who the hell does that? it is disgusting and sickening. Hopefully there will be justice for Mr. Floyd, but there certainly are no guarantees
 
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I'll shorten this up a bit....

Monday, march 8th:
*Trial set to begin with Jury Selection (@ 9am CT) - MN – George Perry Floyd, Jr. (46) (May 25, 2020, Minneapolis, arrested for forgery & killed in police custody) - *Derek Michael Chauvin (44/will be 45 in 11 days) police officer who held his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes & 46 seconds (Note: on 10/14/20 this has been changed to 9 minutes & 30 seconds) (& non responsive for 2 minutes & 53 seconds before officer took his knee off his neck; from 8:19pm to 8:27pm his knee was on Floyd’s neck; has been fired (5/26/20) & arrested & charged (5/29/20) with 3rd degree murder & 2nd degree manslaughter.
Charges changed (6/3/20) to 2nd degree murder-unintentional-while committing a felony, 3rd degree murder-perpetrating eminently dangerous act (3rd degree charge was dismissed 10/22/20) & evincing depraved mind & 2nd degree manslaughter-culpable negligence creating unreasonable risk. $500K bond, reset (6/8/20) @ $1.25M & $1M w/conditions. Posted non-cash $1M bond (10/7/20) & has been released from jail.
Trial set to begin on 3/8/21 with jury selection. Jury selection could run through March 26, 2021. Opening statements & the commencement of the State’s case will begin no earlier than March 29, 2021. Experts anticipate the trial could last 2-4 weeks.
Bond conditions & court info from 12/19/20 thru 2/22/21 reference post #190 here:
MN - George Floyd, 46, killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 *officers charged* #3

3/2/21 Update: Court of Appeals still mulling over whether to reinstate the 3rd degree murder charge against Chauvin. Prosecutors will argue before the Court of Appeals next Monday, outlining why they should be allowed to reinstate a count of third-degree murder against Chauvin based on a ruling the court issued earlier this month.
3/3/21: The process is scheduled to begin Monday, March 8. Each day, eight potential jurors will go to the courthouse - four in the morning & four in the afternoon & Judge Peter Cahill, prosecutors & the defense will question each person, one at a time. Once 16 potential jurors have been questioned & passed through without a challenge, then they are seated as the jury for the murder trial - 12 jurors & 4 alternates. During jury selection, each day's session will begin at 8am, with first hour reserved for motions. Jury selection begins at 9am & is expected to end by 5pm. On 3/29 trial begins with Opening statements. During the trial itself, sessions could continue until 7:30pm if the jury is sequestered.
3/5/21: MN Appeals Court rules Judge Peter Cahill made mistake in not reinstating murder-3 charge against Chauvin. Says its ruling in prior Noor conviction is the law of the state right now. Sends argument back to Cahill for reconsideration. Appeals Court ruling did NOT immediately reinstate murder-3 charge against Chauvin. Judge Cahill will have some leeway to hear further arguments. Expect him to do that when this trial is scheduled to start Monday AM with motions, before then beginning jury selection.
*Charged (7/22/20) with 6 counts of aiding & abetting taxes-false or fraudulent returns-filed with commissioner & 3 counts aiding & abetting taxes-failure to file return, report, document. – Omnibus hearing on 6/30/21.
*Divorce – Pretrial hearing on 3/26/21 & trial on 4/26/21.
 
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it will be on courttv and the law and order network.

@cathyrusson (law&order)
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Correct, opening statements are set for March 29, HOWEVER, we will be broadcasting LIVE jury selection. Judge is allowing audio. Live coverage beings Monday, 8am CT/9am ET.


WATCH LIVE: Minnesota v. Derek Chauvin - Jury selection begins MONDAY
Home Page - Court TV

This is the WaPo live site. It's already up streaming and focused on the "Great Seal" in the courtroom. They often come on early and have discussions for other live feeds they do, but none at this time..

ETA: LIVE court has started with audio AND video as of 9:16 am. Now discussing reinstating 3rd degree murder as one of the charges (in addition to manslaughter) and where we are at and requests etc.

Prosecution appears not to want to move forward at this time due to potential for 30 days out appeal process, then another potential ?60 days out as to time limits for appeals process. They don't want to voir dire and then a charge gets added, they don't want to have to re- voir dire etc.

Prosecutor asking for court to stop the jury selection process is the bottom line.

ETA:

Looks like judge is denying prosecutions request. They are in recess at 9:39. Judge says if prosecution wants to, they can file a writ of prohibition to get what they want.


ETA #2: Court tv is discussing now that in recess, WaPo feed nothing, perhaps delay? Here Court tv @sds71 posted above (thanks) which is discussing.

Court TV - Live Stream - Web - Court TV
 
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Jury selection begins Monday in the trial of Derek Chauvin, who is charged with second-degree murder and manslaughter in Floyd’s death. Picking a jury is expected to take at least three weeks, as prosecutors and defense attorneys try to weed out people who may be biased against them.

“You don’t want jurors who are completely blank slates, because that would mean they’re not in tune at all with the world,” Susan Gaertner, a former prosecutor, said. “But what you want is jurors who can set aside opinions that have formed prior to walking into the courtroom and give both sides a fair hearing.”
Jury selection is 1st battleground at trial in Floyd's death
 
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Something I didn't know until live feed by courttv just now. They are only wanting 12 jurors and TWO alternates. I'm very surprised only TWO alternates. I would expect more than that from following high profile trials at WS.

@10:13 eastern... the court back is live. Prosecution is going to ask that the trial to be halted by the court of appeal today. Will spend time on limine motions. Court will await feedback from appeals court, and will now again recess until 10 Central/11 Eastern am.

No jury selection today per judge... just now.

*getting into the groove as to Central time vs. eastern*
 
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I guess I have missed so much. Watching the courttv video (live feed during break) discussion, they showed a video that explained what I NEVER understood as to why the ambulance stopped in route. It was because one of the police officers (Lane) was in the ambulance, so they stopped the ambulance to get him out of the ambulance. MOO. I had never seen the video they are showing on courttv of him before/during/after the ambulance and into a police vehicle.

Also, the video showed that there is an automatic machine in the ambulance which gives chest compressions. I have never seen that before nor knew such existed.

@sds71, again thanks for the courttv link as I'm catching up on this case and learning so much that I hadn't seen in previous WS cases. And they are doing follow ups with folks in the area I've never seen before.

Screen shots from court tv. (They are doing a great job at court tv) There is one more that I didn't capture screenshot.

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Third degree.JPG

ETA: I posted this on the "Breaking news" thread at WS ***BREAKING NEWS!*** *NO DISCUSSION* as many may not have known this is now at trial.
 
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Thank you for the commentary @dixiegirl1035 - my speakers blew out - so it is VERY much appreciated!! :)
 
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A Minneapolis judge delayed the start of the trial of former police officer Derek Chauvin for the death of George Floyd until Tuesday morning, March 9.

The trial had been scheduled to begin on Monday, March 8, with the screening of jurors to weigh murder and manslaughter charges in a case seen as a referendum on police violence against Black Americans. Chauvin appeared in court dressed in a navy blue suit and tie, a white shirt and a black face mask, jotting notes in a yellow legal pad on the table before him.

Judge Peter Cahill of the Hennepin County district court set aside three weeks for jury selection alone, mindful of the difficulties finding impartial Minneapolitans in a case that has convulsed a nation and in which an image of the victim — a selfie of Floyd faintly smiling — has become an international icon of racial justice.
Trial in George Floyd death delayed by at least a day | The Dickinson Press
 
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Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison said in a statement Monday that the state is ready for trial but it “must be conducted in accordance with the rules and the law.”

“Now that Mr. Chauvin has stated his intention to appeal Friday’s Court of Appeals ruling to the Minnesota Supreme Court, as is his right, the district court does not have jurisdiction to conduct jury selection or hear and rule on other substantive matters in the trial. We have filed motion with the Court of Appeals to ensure that justice is pursued properly,” Ellison said.

The appeal discussed Monday was filed in February after Cahill declined to reinstate a third-degree murder charge against Chauvin after the Court of Appeals issued a precedential opinion in another case against a Minneapolis police officer, Mohamed Noor.

The appeals court upheld Noor’s conviction for third-degree murder in January, pushing against a longstanding Minnesota Supreme Court holding that “conduct eminently dangerous to others,” as an element of third-degree murder, requires that the conduct endanger people other than the person killed. Noor’s shooting of a civilian through a window of his police vehicle, the court found, qualified as eminently dangerous even if it endangered nobody but the murder victim.

Cahill dismissed a third-degree charge against Chauvin on similar grounds, finding that the lengthy hold Chauvin applied to Floyd’s neck was not dangerous to anybody other than Floyd.

While the judge denied the prosecutors’ motion to reinstate the charge and bring similar charges against Chauvin’s three colleagues, the Court of Appeals reversed his decision late last week.

Chauvin is the fourth police officer to be charged for the death of a civilian in Minnesota’s history, and the first white officer tried in the state for the death of a Black man.

Two of the other three cases are recent. Jeronimo Yanez, a police officer with the neighboring village of St. Anthony, was acquitted in 2017 of manslaughter and dangerous discharge of a firearm for the 2016 death of Philando Castile, which sparked protests around the Twin Cities metro. In 2019, Noor, a Minneapolis officer and part of the city’s large Somali community, was convicted of third-degree murder for the shooting death of Justine Ruczyk Damond, a white woman.

The decision in Noor’s case has also been appealed to the Minnesota Supreme Court, which accepted a petition for review with uncharacteristic speed. In that case, the state will face off with Noor’s attorney Thomas Plunkett, who also represents Kueng in the Floyd case. Arguments are set to begin in June.
Jury Selection Delayed in George Floyd Murder Trial
 
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Here's a look at why the charge plays such a large role in the trial.
The degrees denote the seriousness of a crime. The more serious the crime, the higher the benchmarks that prosecutors must prove beyond a reasonable doubt to convict. First-degree murder is the most serious and results in life in prison if convicted. To convict, prosecutors must prove either that the act was pre-planned or that other major crimes were committed with it, among other things. Second-degree murder in Minnesota can be “intentional” or “unintentional," which is the charge Chauvin faces, and is punishable by up to 40 years in prison if convicted.

Third-degree murder would require a lower standard of proof than second-degree. To win a conviction, prosecutors would have to show only that Floyd's death was caused by an act that was obviusly dangerous, though not necessarily a felony. That would result in a maximum sentence of 25 years.

But there are caveats. Chauvin has no criminal history, which means he will probably end up serving about 12 1/2 years whether he is convicted of second or third-degree murder. Manslaughter, the least serious charge but also the one with the lowest burden of proof, means a maximum of just 10 years behind bars if convicted. For those seeking justice in Floyd's death, anything less than murder is likely to feel like injustice.

WHY WAS THAT CHARGE DISMISSED TO BEGIN WITH?

Chauvin's lawyer sought to dismiss the charge, arguing there was not probable cause to charge him with third-degree murder. A Minnesota judge ruled last October that third-degree murder under Minnesota law requires proof that someone’s conduct was “eminently dangerous to others,” plural, not just to Floyd. The judge said there was no evidence that Chauvin endangered anyone else and threw out the charge. Prosecutors appealed.

WHY PUSH TO HAVE IT ADDED AGAIN?

Very simply, reinstating the count could i ncrease the prosecution’s odds of getting a murder conviction in what will be one of Minnesota’s highest-profile trials ever.

CAN HE BE CONVICTED WITHOUT IT?

Yes. But it's not going to be as easy as some might think. Even with the bystander video that showed Chauvin pressing his knee into George Floyd’s neck and ignoring the man’s pleas, legal experts say the case isn’t a slam dunk.

“It’s hard not to watch the video and conclude that the prosecutors will not have any trouble with this case,” said Susan Gaertner, the former head prosecutor in neighboring Ramsey County. “But it’s not that simple.”

The trial will come down to two key questions: Did Chauvin’s actions cause Floyd’s death, and were his actions reasonable?

The second-degree murder charge requires prosecutors to prove Chauvin caused Floyd’s death while committing or trying to commit a felony — in this case, third-degree assault. The manslaughter charge has a lower bar, requiring proof that Chauvin caused Floyd’s death through negligence that created an unreasonable risk, and consciously took the chance of causing severe injury or death.

Chauvin’s attorney, Eric Nelson, argues in court documents that Floyd likely died from fentanyl he consumed, or a combination of fentanyl, methamphetamine and underlying health conditions — not as a result of Chauvin’s knee on his neck.

WHAT HAPPENS NOW?

Prosecutors filed a request with the state's Court of Appeals to put the trial on hold until the issue is resolved. They worry, in part, that they could lose the chance to try Chauvin later on the third-degree murder charge if the current trial goes forward while the appeal is ongoing.

The judge overseeing the case, Peter Cahill, sent potential jurors home for the day, while prosecutors tried to contact the appellate court. Cahill took a recess to give the Court of Appeals time to respond, but planned to bring attorneys back into the courtroom Monday afternoon to deal with other matters.

Cahill said he would proceed with the trial unless the higher courts told him to stop.
https://www.usnews.com/news/us/arti...y-battle-over-a-murder-charge-in-floyds-death

Archbishop Bernard A. Hebda of St. Paul and Minneapolis prayed March 6 for peace and justice in the upcoming trial of a white former city police officer in death of George Floyd, an African American, while in police custody.

He gathered with over 100 other faith leaders in a downtown Minneapolis plaza.

“Loving God, you are the source of all that is good in our lives,” Archbishop Hebda said in the gathering’s opening prayer. “And so, we come to you with grateful hearts, grateful for the gifts that you’ve bestowed upon those that are gathered here. Grateful for the plans that you have for our cities. Grateful for the way in which you are going to bless us beyond anything that we can imagine.”
Minnesota faith leaders pray for peace, justice during Floyd trial - Catholic News Service
 
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Tuesday, March 9th:
*Trial continues with Jury Selection (Day 2) (@ 8am for Motions; 9am for Jury selection CT) - MN – George Perry Floyd, Jr. (46) (May 25, 2020, Minneapolis, arrested for forgery & killed in police custody) - *Derek Michael Chauvin (44/will be 45 in 10 days) police officer who held his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes & 46 seconds (Note: on 10/14/20 this has been changed to 9 minutes & 30 seconds) (& non responsive for 2 minutes & 53 seconds before officer took his knee off his neck; from 8:19pm to 8:27pm his knee was on Floyd’s neck; has been fired (5/26/20) & arrested & charged (5/29/20) with 3rd degree murder & 2nd degree manslaughter. Charges changed (6/3/20) to 2nd degree murder-unintentional-while committing a felony, 3rd degree murder-perpetrating eminently dangerous act (3rd degree charge was dismissed 10/22/20) & evincing depraved mind & 2nd degree manslaughter-culpable negligence creating unreasonable risk. $500K bond, reset (6/8/20) @ $1.25M & $1M w/conditions. Posted non-cash $1M bond (10/7/20) & has been released from jail.
Trial began on 3/8/21 with jury selection. Jury selection could run through March 26, 2021. Opening statements & the commencement of the State’s case will begin no earlier than March 29, 2021. Experts anticipate the trial could last 2-4 weeks.
Bond conditions & court info from 12/19/20 thru 3/3/21 reference post #206 here:
MN - George Floyd, 46, killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 *officers charged* #3

3/5/21: MN Appeals Court rules Judge Peter Cahill made mistake in not reinstating murder-3 charge against Chauvin. Says its ruling in prior Noor conviction is the law of the state right now. Sends argument back to Cahill for reconsideration. Appeals Court ruling did NOT immediately reinstate murder-3 charge against Chauvin. Judge Cahill will have some leeway to hear further arguments. Expect him to do that when this trial is scheduled to start 3/8/21, Monday AM with motions, before then beginning jury selection.
3/8/21 Monday, Day 1 of Jury Selection: Judge Peter Cahill discussed reinstating 3rd degree murder as one of the charges (in addition to manslaughter) & where we are at & requests. Prosecution appears not to want to move forward at this time due to potential for 30 days out appeal process, then another potential 60 days out as to time limits for appeals process. They don't want to voir dire & then a charge gets added, they don't want to have to re-voir dire. Prosecutor Asst. attorney general Matthew Frank asked for court to stop the jury selection process. Judge denied prosecution’s request. Judge says if prosecution wants to, they can file a writ of prohibition to get what they want. Prosecution is going to ask that the trial to be halted by the court of appeal today. Eric Nelson, Chauvin's lead lawyer, told the court on Monday morning that Chauvin would soon ask the Minnesota Supreme Court to overturn the Friday, March 5, order, a process that could take weeks. Prosecutors from the Minnesota attorney general's office urged the court to delay jury selection until that issue was resolved.
Court will await feedback from appeals court & will now again recess until 11am ET. No jury selection today per Judge. Judge Cahill delayed the start of the trial Chauvin until Tuesday morning, March 9 as the judge contended with a last-minute order by a higher court to reconsider adding an additional murder charge. The trial had been scheduled to begin on Monday, March 8 with screening of jurors to weigh murder & manslaughter charges. Chauvin appeared in court dressed in a navy blue suit & tie, a white shirt & a black face mask, jotting notes in a yellow legal pad on the table before him. Judge Peter Cahill of the Hennepin County district court set aside three weeks for jury selection alone.

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*Divorce – Pretrial hearing on 3/26/21 & trial on 4/26/21.
 
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Thanks @Tippy Lynn ! Are they having 4 in the morning & 4 in the afternoon? Just want to get "something" into my notes! :D my speakers blew out - so can't hear anything... :(

TIA!
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@Niner

I'm not sure how many they are questioning today. They are only on #2 so far.

The 1st potential juror was a hispanic female with broken english - she was dismissed.

2nd potential juror has a degree in Environmental Studies and Chemistry. He believes in he BLM movement, but not the BLM organization. He believes all lives matter equally. Says he has an analytical mind.
Still questioning him.

ETA: Juror #2 will be on the jury.
 
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Jury Selection
3/9/21

Juror #1 - Dismissed
Female, hispanic with broken english.

Juror #2 - Selected
Male, degree in Environmental Studies and Chemistry. He believes in he BLM movement, but not the BLM organization. He believes all lives matter equally. Says he has an analytical mind.

Juror #3 - Dismissed
Female, has strong opinions on the case. She doesn’t think she could be fair and impartial.
 
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