GUILTY MN - George Floyd, 46, died, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #18 - Chauvin Closing & Deliberations #1

[Deleted member 39678]

I never heard of an "anoxic seizure" until this case. JMO

 

[Rhozwen]

A reasonable police officer would have started CPR when he was told there was no PULSE.

Yes. This.
I feel that Nelson repeating "reasonable police officer" is not helping him because of your exact statement. DC did not behave as a reasonable police officer.

 

[Katerz]

The moment the life left his body

 

[Katerz]

He clearly isn’t moving anymore and the officer to chauvin’s right put more weight on GF’s legs/butt.

 

[MadMcGoo]

I never heard of an "anoxic seizure" until this case. JMO

And I reasonably perceived that as resistance. As I think all the officers at the scene did. JMO

 

[tara83]

And I reasonably perceived that as resistance. As I think all the officers at the scene did. JMO

Still doesn't justify a knee on his neck for nine minutes.

 

[Weki]

Now he’s putting the bystanders on trial to deflect from the last 4 minutes when GF is passed out and Chauvin is still lying on top of him!! Gimme a break!

 

[tara83]

Oh here comes the violent mob fantasy.

 

[Katerz]

Now he’s putting the bystanders on trial to deflect from the last 4 minutes when GF is passed out and Chauvin is still lying on top of him!! Gimme a break!

I’m walking away for now. Or I’m gonna get sent to Websleuths jail.

 

[BUF]

Do we think the jury will start deliberations today or will they get the case and start tomorrow?

The jury will get the case today.

20 minute break after Nelson, then prosecution rebuttal followed by some instruction from judge before released to deliberate. They are sequestered now.

I heard they are allowed to deliberate 12 hrs a day if they wish.

 

[Katerz]

How can he sit there and say what the bystanders thought or saw

 

[Katerz]

The jury will get the case today.

20 minute break after Nelson, then prosecution rebuttal followed by some instruction from judge. The are sequestered now.

I heard they are allowed to deliberate 12 hrs a day if they wish.

Oh good! I was worried that with only a few more hours that they’d get it and court would be done

 

[In vino veritas]

As despicable as it sounds, Nelson is doing a good job! Strictly from an argumentative perspective. But this argument defies logic and common sense! Chauvin’s actions were so egregious that this all just falls flat unless you’re looking for an excuse to acquit! The other officers actions also seem callous and unnecessarily aggressive after seeing this video over and over! Smh. The whole thing was so unnecessary and gross!

I feel pretty confident the jury will convict on the manslaughter charge.
For me, the reasonable doubt comes into play for the murder charges because of the number of times GF claimed he couldn’t breathe while officers were trying to get him in the vehicle. I believe he even said he was “gonna die in here”.
I find it a stretch they the prosecutions medical experts insisted that GFs drug use and heart disease play NO part in his death. JMO

 

[Niner]

Cathy Russon
@cathyrusson
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#DerekChauvinTrial - Nelson: the state has really focused on the 9 min and 29 secs but a reasonable officer takes into account the entire time leading up to that point. He says human behavior is unpredictable, "it's constantly rotating", the officer's assessment.

Defense attorney Eric Nelson closing argument underway. Nelson keeps talking about the assessments of “a reasonable officer.”

Eric Nelson telling jurors about perspective. He says 3 people in this trial went to the same high school - Nelson, Chief Arradondo and Darnella Frazier - he says same perspective but different perceptions based on their school experiences.

link: https://twitter.com/cathyrusson

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Not a choke hold. So did not block carotid artery in GF's neck. JMO

 

[ilovewings]

How can he sit there and say what the bystanders thought or saw

He can say anything he wants- what matters is if the jury believes him

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

I know quite a few law enforcement officers in my town. Even one that was killed in the line of duty a few years back. The ones I know would definitely try to de-escalate the situation. They would ask the perp why they couldn’t breathe and why they were resisting.
Floyd didn’t want to go in the CAR. He wasn’t resisting to hurt them. He was resisting because of the CAR!

He was resisting because he didn’t want to “go back”. He was resisting because he didn’t want to go back to jail. IMO.

Every use of force expert for the state admitted that subjects will make an excuse (medical or otherwise) to avoid being arrested. I believe this to be a common occurrence. IMO

 

[Inthedetails]

Ok but Nelson not everyone is faking a medical emergency so they don’t go to jail.

And what if they are faking emergency to avoid jail? Does that make it okay to deny aid? It's not as if rendering aid would have prevented GF from still being arrested and going to jail. The choice wasn't between letting a suspect go or killing him. DC could've rendered aid and kept GF under arrest.

DC wants reasonable doubt for himself, but wasn't willing to give it to a man in stress in his custody.

Jmo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

And I reasonably perceived that as resistance. As I think all the officers at the scene did. JMO

I do agree that is what they perceived.

I always give credit where it's due. Nelson is putting on a good case minute by minute.

In the end he will be found guilty probably of all three charges, but DC can't say he didnt have good representation.

Jmho

 

[ilovewings]

I feel pretty confident the jury will convict on the manslaughter charge.
For me, the reasonable doubt comes into play for the murder charges because of the number of times GF claimed he couldn’t breathe while officers were trying to get him in the vehicle. I believe he even said he was “gonna die in here”.
I find it a stretch they the prosecutions medical experts insisted that GFs drug use and heart disease play NO part in his death. JMO

I hope the prosecution addresses this issue in rebuttal. I have talked about "you take your perps as you get them"- in civil law you take your plaintiffs as you get them. The same law holds true in Criminal law. In other words if GF was having problems breathing in the vehicle ( from anxiety), the police, who have him custody, have an obligation not to worsen his condition and thus, they are ultimately responsible for his death because they made his condition worse to the point he died. I hope the prosecution explains this to the jury.