GUILTY MN - George Floyd, 46, died, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #18 - Chauvin Closing & Deliberations #1

[alwaysonmymind]

I don’t think the state can get a unanimous verdict. moo

 

[margarita25]

(With the jury out, I’m having flashbacks of the nervousness of election week. I’m feeling the need to drink. Heavily. Lol)

 

[Shaddow]

With her statements, IMO , she was implicitly advocating social unrest... rioting.

No!

 

[Inthedetails]

Can't the judge poll the jury on whether or not they heard the Maxine Waters statement?

That's exactly what I'm thinking. If they obeyed instructions, the jury members don't know about her comments. And if they don't know about the comments, then the comments cannot be used for appeal, I would assume.

jmo

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I think that this is going to be overturned on appeal. Nelson made some good points about this case making it's way into non-news programs that the jury could have watched. The judges admonition to "stay away from the news" doesn't cover that.

And what about news previews that may have had Maxine Waters statements,or other trial comments, during commercial breaks? Jurors could have avoided the "news" but still could have been exposed to prejudicial statements. JMO

 

[tara83]

I think that this is going to be overturned on appeal. Nelson made some good points about this case making it's way into non-news programs that the jury could have watched. The judges admonition to "stay away from the news" doesn't cover that.

And what about news previews that may have had Maxine Waters statements,or other trial comments, during commercial breaks? Jurors could have avoided the "news" but still could have been exposed to prejudicial statements. JMO

Not unless we have solid proof that a jury member knew about it.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Are they sequestered?

They weren't, but now that they are in deliberations they are.

 

[Inthedetails]

I would say it can be requested but it wouldn't be granted, you're basically feeding them information they may truly not have heard and they're presumed to have not heard (almost verbatim reasoning for not granting the mistrial)

I wonder if they could be questioned after the verdict, in the event defense files an appeal.

jmo

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Who is Maxine Waters? Sorry for my ignorance.

A Congresswoman from California who is injecting herself into this trial in Minnesota.

 

[Inthedetails]

the Water's statement basically said go riot unless first degree murder. I think it is naive to think that all of these jurors could avoid all media for three days in this town. Sorry but not that they are looking for it but it is everywhere.

I do think jury members could avoid media, if they put even a little effort into it. Three days without being online or listening to radio/reading paper....yes, I think they could manage that. Not sure they did, but it's not impossible.

jmo

 

[GarAndTeed]

A Congresswoman from California who is injecting herself into this trial in Minnesota.

Thank you!

 

[Shaddow]

A Congresswoman from California who is injecting herself into this trial in Minnesota.

The entire country is... She in no way was inciting a riot. We have to confront injustice and being out on the street is one way to do it.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Are they sequestered?

The defense asked the judge last week to sequester the jury after riots broke out but he refused the request.

That probably will be what causes any convictions in this case to be overturned on appeal. JMO

 

[Weki]

Defense attys do this all the time - they basically argue jurors are biased and emotional and they don’t follow instructions! Every trial a defense attys alludes to this perspective in one way or another. Jurors are members of the community. No system can expect a completely isolated jury. If the news is bad right now with respect to police brutality, you don’t get to demand a jury that has been living under a rock! It’s simply not reasonable.

Judge Cahill has allowed his contempt for public officials speaking out about the case to influence his on the record comments. First he said Waters’ comments could give grounds for a reversal than he backtracked on that and said the jury hasn’t been prejudiced. What is he doing? Setting Chauvin up for an appeal? Wtf!?

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

I think that this is going to be overturned on appeal. Nelson made some good points about this case making it's way into non-news programs that the jury could have watched. The judges admonition to "stay away from the news" doesn't cover that.

And what about news previews that may have had Maxine Waters statements,or other trial comments, during commercial breaks? Jurors could have avoided the "news" but still could have been exposed to prejudicial statements. JMO

How about social media? Are they allowed to access social media? Maxine Waters’ statements are all over social media. MOO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The entire country is... She in no way was inciting a riot. We have to confront injustice and being out on the street is one way to do it.

In my opinion she threatened the jury to vote guilty or else. JMO

 

[Shaddow]

Defense attys do this all the time - they basically argue jurors are biased and emotional and they don’t follow instructions! Every trial a defense attys alludes to this perspective in one way or another. Jurors are members of the community. No system can expect a completely isolated jury. If the news is bad right now with respect to police brutality, you don’t get to demand a jury that has been living under a rock! It’s simply not reasonable.

Judge Cahill has allowed his contempt for public officials speaking out about the case to influence his on the record comments. First he said Waters’ comments could give grounds for a reversal than he backtracked on that and said the jury hasn’t been prejudiced. What is he doing? Setting Chauvin up for an appeal? Wtf!?

Exactly...

If they see Waters words. They see Cahill words...

 

[Deleted member 39678]

How about social media? Are they allowed to access social media? Maxine Waters’ statements are all over social media. MOO

He only said to avoid the news. A pretty vague instruction. JMO

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Jury instructions - I fell zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ~!

https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgo...s/27-CR-20-12646/JuryInstructions04192021.pdf

 

[tara83]

In my opinion she threatened the jury to vote guilty or else. JMO

Totally unfair comment IMO.Because the jury isn't even supposed to be listening.