GUILTY MN - George Floyd, 46, killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #20

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Hopefully Chauvin is protected in prison. Plenty of inmates would like to put his feather in their cap. He should get a sentence closer to the manslaughter charge if the judge doesn’t succumb to the pressure. Nelson didn’t argue how much smaller Chauvin was or press the point Chauvin thought he was performing his duty. He’s guilty of manslaughter but the intense climate influenced the jury. i hope he gets 10-15 years and parole in 7-8. Thats reasonable and commensurate with his actions and other sentences for similar charges.

If the Chauvin murder charges hold up on appeal or Lane is found guilty police should change their oath to exclude some calls where you have hostile subjects. Claiming assault just became the defense lawyers dream and ticket to big $$$ settlements. If police are found liable for the 13 year old Chicago boy and 15 year old Ohio girl they should quit taking action all together. Just respond and sit in their cars and video the happenings. Let the chips fall as they may and become witnesses and documentarians. Minneapolis would be good with that considering the city councils views on police.

I believe that as with all cases, the judge's role in sentencing is to look at the evidence and the aggravating factors evidence to determine sentencing. I don't believe the judge would let the outside factor override his duty (and, I think, the same is true of the jury). Fortunately, he has been found guilty on all charges and should be sentenced based on that fact. The jury decided that his actions were what the state presented.

We will see when Lane and others are tried. Lane and the others did not stop their compatriot to rescue this man and, as such, are charged. If a jury finds them guilty, then, they are based on the facts and evidence is presented. Lane did ask about turning Mr. Floyd on his side but failed to act to care for Mr. Floyd. I will work to watch all of that trial as well.

Nelson did not do the best job in defending this convicted murderer. You may be right that he should have highlighted size and what not. But, at the end of the day, Mr. Floyd was handcuffed, subdued, placed on his stomach with a man with a knee on his neck and others on strategic parts of his body so he could not move AND, ultimately, breathe. The video is what convicted him--his cold stare, picking gravel from a tire, and his hands in his pockets or resting on his knees. Poor representation is not a great reason for overturning a verdict but given the video-- all of it-- the work and plan to get this man an acquittal was almost impossible. This murderer worked with his attorney on his defense and consented to the process his lawyer set out.

Mr. Floyd is unable to claim assault or have a lawyer claim it for him because he was murdered. The murderer in this case has used excessive force before. The MPD should also be held accountable because they failed to reign this nightmare in. In this day and age, many people don't need to just claim assault b/c they are filming it or others are filming, combined with BWC the LE are on notice that their actions, even in spur of the moment, are able to be scrutinized. It is time to perform to their training and start to get it right---as most of them do. The bad actors are now on notice. Even in the most recent cases, people are watching the videos and are recognizing when use of force is warranted.
 
  • #182
Attorney General Merrick B. Garland Announces Investigation of the City of Minneapolis, Minnesota, and the Minneapolis Police Department

04/21/2021 12:00 AM EDT


Attorney General Merrick B. Garland announced today the Justice Department has opened a pattern or practice investigation into the City of Minneapolis (the City) and the Minneapolis Police Department (MPD). The investigation will assess all types of force used by MPD officers, including uses of force involving individuals with behavioral health disabilities and uses of force against individuals engaged in activities protected by the First Amendment. The investigation will also assess whether MPD engages in discriminatory policing. As part of the investigation the Justice Department will conduct a comprehensive review of MPD policies, training and supervision. The department will also examine MPD’s systems of accountability, including complaint intake, investigation, review, disposition and discipline. The Department of Justice will also reach out to community groups and members of the public to learn about their experiences with MPD. “The investigation I am announcing today will assess whether the Minneapolis Police Department engages in a pattern or practice of using excessive force, including during protests,” said Attorney General Garland. “Building trust between community and law enforcement will take time and effort by all of us, but we undertake this task with determination and urgency, knowing that change cannot wait.” This morning, Department of Justice officials informed Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, MPD Chief Medaria Arradondo, City Attorney Jim Rowader, City Coordinator Mark Ruff, and City Council President Lisa Bender of the investigation. The department will continue to work closely with both the City and MPD as the investigation progresses. “One of the Civil Rights Division’s highest priorities is to ensure that every person in this country benefits from public safety systems that are lawful, responsive, transparent and nondiscriminatory,” said Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Pamela S. Karlan for the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division. “It is essential that police departments across the country use their law enforcement authority, including the authority to use force, in a manner that respects civil rights and the sanctity of human life.” “People throughout the city of Minneapolis want a public safety system that protects and serves all members of our community,” said Acting U.S. Attorney W. Anders Folk for the District of Minnesota. “This investigation by the Department of Justice provides a vital step to restore and build trust in the Minneapolis Police Department and its officers.” The investigation is being conducted pursuant to the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, which prohibits state and local governments from engaging in a pattern or practice of conduct by law enforcement officers that deprives individuals of rights protected by the Constitution or federal law. The Act allows the Department of Justice to remedy such misconduct through civil litigation. The department will be assessing law enforcement practices under the First, Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution, as well as under the Safe Streets Act of 1968, Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act. The Special Litigation Section of the Department of Justice Civil Rights Division, in Washington, D.C., and the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Minnesota, in Minneapolis, are jointly conducting this investigation. Individuals with relevant information are encouraged to contact the Department of Justice via email at [email protected] or by phone at 866-432-0268. Individuals can also report civil rights violations regarding this or other matters using the Civil Rights Division’s new reporting portal, available at civilrights.justice.gov. Additional information about the Civil Rights Division is available on its website at www.justice.gov/crt. Additional information about the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Minnesota is available on its website at District of Minnesota.
 
  • #183
If not for Darnella Frazier's quick thinking, Derek Chauvin might still be a Minneapolis police officer.

Now the teen who stood firm, capturing the longest and clearest bystander video of George Floyd's final moments, is overcome with emotion and praise after Chauvin's convictions Tuesday.

"I just cried so hard," Ms Frazier posted on Facebook.
"I was so anxious ... But to know GUILTY ON ALL 3 CHARGES !!! THANK YOU GOD THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. George Floyd we did it!! justice has been served."

Ms Frazier, who is now 18, replied to the thousands of people who thanked her on Facebook.

"I can't reply to all of your beautiful comments as I wish to, but THANK YOU all of you," she wrote. "The support I had since day one carried me a long way so thank you again."

George Floyd trial: A teen with 'a cell phone and sheer guts' credited for Derek Chauvin's murder conviction
 
  • #184
An alternate juror #96 sits down with @jamieyuccas

Lisa Christensen did not have a role in the verdict, but she sat through every minute of the trial. She says even though she wasn't part of the deliberations — she came to a decision.

"I felt like he was the leader, and the other officers were following his lead. I kind of felt like he wasn't taking the warnings seriously, obviously, kind of like I know what I'm doing," Christensen said.

"Dr. Tobin was the one that really did it for me. He explained everything. I understood it down to where he said, 'This is the moment that he lost his life.' Really got to me."

Christensen lives in Brooklyn Center, the city where Daunte Wright was shot by a police officer nearly two weeks ago. She said those protests did not play into her decision about Chauvin being guilty. Wright will be laid to rest Thursday and the Floyd family will be in attendance.

Alternate juror talks about the Chauvin trial verdict and the testimony that "really got to me" - CBS News
 
  • #185
An alternate juror #96 sits down with @jamieyuccas

Lisa Christensen did not have a role in the verdict, but she sat through every minute of the trial. She says even though she wasn't part of the deliberations — she came to a decision.
"Dr. Tobin was the one that really did it for me. He explained everything. I understood it down to where he said, 'This is the moment that he lost his life.' Really got to me."

Christensen lives in Brooklyn Center, the city where Daunte Wright was shot by a police officer nearly two weeks ago. She said those protests did not play into her decision about Chauvin being guilty. Wright will be laid to rest Thursday and the Floyd family will be in attendance.

Alternate juror talks about the Chauvin trial verdict and the testimony that "really got to me" - CBS News
Tobin!
Mary Moriarty said he was the best expert witness she ever saw and she's seen plenty.
For me, it was his police chief and it was Tobin.
I thought his defense was terrible.
I wonder whether all the jury felt the same as the alternative?
 
  • #186
Tobin!
Mary Moriarty said he was the best expert witness she ever saw and she's seen plenty.
For me, it was his police chief and it was Tobin.
I thought his defense was terrible.
I wonder whether all the jury felt the same as the alternative?

I love her and her wacky cats.
 
  • #187
I love her and her wacky cats.
She is my new Ruth Bader G.
I was inconsolable when she died. I cried for a few days.
I so wanted her to live forever.
 
  • #188
An alternate juror #96 sits down with @jamieyuccas

Lisa Christensen did not have a role in the verdict, but she sat through every minute of the trial. She says even though she wasn't part of the deliberations — she came to a decision.

"I felt like he was the leader, and the other officers were following his lead. I kind of felt like he wasn't taking the warnings seriously, obviously, kind of like I know what I'm doing," Christensen said.

"Dr. Tobin was the one that really did it for me. He explained everything. I understood it down to where he said, 'This is the moment that he lost his life.' Really got to me."

Christensen lives in Brooklyn Center, the city where Daunte Wright was shot by a police officer nearly two weeks ago. She said those protests did not play into her decision about Chauvin being guilty. Wright will be laid to rest Thursday and the Floyd family will be in attendance.

Alternate juror talks about the Chauvin trial verdict and the testimony that "really got to me" - CBS News

Well that answers an earlier question that the alternate juror was from Brooklyn Center. Nelson tried to argue but the judge was right.
 
  • #189
An alternate juror #96 sits down with @jamieyuccas

Lisa Christensen did not have a role in the verdict, but she sat through every minute of the trial. She says even though she wasn't part of the deliberations — she came to a decision.

"I felt like he was the leader, and the other officers were following his lead. I kind of felt like he wasn't taking the warnings seriously, obviously, kind of like I know what I'm doing," Christensen said.

"Dr. Tobin was the one that really did it for me. He explained everything. I understood it down to where he said, 'This is the moment that he lost his life.' Really got to me."

Christensen lives in Brooklyn Center, the city where Daunte Wright was shot by a police officer nearly two weeks ago. She said those protests did not play into her decision about Chauvin being guilty. Wright will be laid to rest Thursday and the Floyd family will be in attendance.

Alternate juror talks about the Chauvin trial verdict and the testimony that "really got to me" - CBS News
Here’s the video...

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  • #190
Tobin!
Mary Moriarty said he was the best expert witness she ever saw and she's seen plenty.
For me, it was his police chief and it was Tobin.
I thought his defense was terrible.
I wonder whether all the jury felt the same as the alternative?

I think many here said the same thing about Tobin, that he was excellent. I wonder if we will be seeing him in future trials. I went back to notes that I had and it says that he is a physician in Chicago in pulmonary medicine and critical care.
 
  • #191
Good morning turaj! I hope you are feeling a bit relieved today ;)

I have been looking to see if any jurors have talked yet... can't find anything! I did see a tweet from Cathy and another reporter from law and crime asking if any want to talk to get in touch... I'm sure other media outlets have done the same.

If I was on that jury I wouldn't be speaking to any news outlets. The fact that a certain Fox news host suggested the jury members voted to convict because they were afraid of backlash was a dog whistle to some unhinged followers to mete out some justice of their own.
 
  • #192
Wow so Ms. Christensen felt like Nelson over promised and didn’t deliver. It sounds like none of the defense witnesses made any impact. Which tracks with my view. Nelson was just trying to throw everything he could to create reasonable doubt with one juror but the state’s case was overwhelming. He couldn’t overcome it! And like we’ve been saying all along Darnella’s video made all the difference! That’s what convicted him!
 
  • #193
I have expressed here, that perhaps due to my searches on "certain sites" due to looking into WS rabbit holes, that my "algorithms" are feeding me stuff. It really is shocking. It started happening back with COVID research last year MOO that social media algorithms are putting my searches into more and more and more of a focus.... which I DO NOT LIKE.

A couple of months ago, I banned myself from even watching some evening television shows with "talking heads".

I guess I'm with many of us here that wants the facts, and give me the resource to view etc.. but if on nightly tv... don't go into your opinion. I find much better to look for such (as we do with trials and statements and court submissions) which are NIGHT AND DAY moo from what many say on television. (Those that follow the Jan 6th thread know what I'm talking about... they say one thing in media.. In court they say "no reasonable person would believe")

I find Al Jazeera the most informative. News without bias.
 
  • #194


Here's how Derek Chauvin could try to get verdict overturned on appeal

An appeal in the case is a virtual certainty. But what issues Chauvin's lawyers raise to the appellate court are an open question, according to criminal defense experts.

The appeal possibilities could include:

1.) The possible bias of jurors - bias created from the massive publicity given to the case.

2.) The refusal by Judge Peter Cahill to move the trial.

3.) The refusal by Judge Peter Cahill to sequester the jury at beginning of trial.

4.) The refusal by Judge Peter Cahill to sequester, or isolate, the jury at the close of the trial after news that Democratic U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters of California demanded a guilty verdict and urged protests.

Waters' actions upset Cahill who has on numerous occasions chastised public officials, for commenting on the trial or creating news off the case, including the settlement during jury selection.

5.) Questionable jury instructions on some of the charges Chauvin faced.

6.) Ineffective assistance of counsel, a last option in experts' opinions, because lead defense attorney Eric Nelson did not often object to emotional witness testimony.

7.) The jury was prejudiced by intense media coverage of the $27 million settlement. That settlement was reached during jury selection.

8.) Another strategy in the appeal could be pointing out the uproar over the fatal police shooting of Daunte Wright on April 11 in the Minneapolis suburb, which reignited protests in the state.

I agree that there are possibilities to suggest an appeal but to suggest that Justice should not only be blind but deaf and dumb, too, is a bridge too far. To suggest that potential jurors must be completely ignorant of what's going on in the world and their own community to render a verdict based on evidence is an insult. Passive response to situations doesn't invoke bias, IMO, it invokes indifference. People engaged in their community are the people you want on a jury.
 
  • #195
An alternate juror #96 sits down with @jamieyuccas

Lisa Christensen did not have a role in the verdict, but she sat through every minute of the trial. She says even though she wasn't part of the deliberations — she came to a decision.

"I felt like he was the leader, and the other officers were following his lead. I kind of felt like he wasn't taking the warnings seriously, obviously, kind of like I know what I'm doing," Christensen said.

"Dr. Tobin was the one that really did it for me. He explained everything. I understood it down to where he said, 'This is the moment that he lost his life.' Really got to me."

Christensen lives in Brooklyn Center, the city where Daunte Wright was shot by a police officer nearly two weeks ago. She said those protests did not play into her decision about Chauvin being guilty. Wright will be laid to rest Thursday and the Floyd family will be in attendance.

Alternate juror talks about the Chauvin trial verdict and the testimony that "really got to me" - CBS News
thanks so much for that link...I think she probably speaks for the deliberating jurors...it is consistent with a quick guilty verdict and her reasons made sense...probably similar to most of us. She felt okay to talk given she was an alternate.
 
  • #196
Hopefully Chauvin is protected in prison. Plenty of inmates would like to put his feather in their cap. He should get a sentence closer to the manslaughter charge if the judge doesn’t succumb to the pressure. Nelson didn’t argue how much smaller Chauvin was or press the point Chauvin thought he was performing his duty. He’s guilty of manslaughter but the intense climate influenced the jury. i hope he gets 10-15 years and parole in 7-8. Thats reasonable and commensurate with his actions and other sentences for similar charges.

If the Chauvin murder charges hold up on appeal or Lane is found guilty police should change their oath to exclude some calls where you have hostile subjects. Claiming assault just became the defense lawyers dream and ticket to big $$$ settlements. If police are found liable for the 13 year old Chicago boy and 15 year old Ohio girl they should quit taking action all together. Just respond and sit in their cars and video the happenings. Let the chips fall as they may and become witnesses and documentarians. Minneapolis would be good with that considering the city councils views on police.

He should get a sentence closer to the 3rd degree murder charge.
 
  • #197
Here’s the video...

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Cut/paste from media thread.... this is what was posted about this juror

MN - George Floyd, 46, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 **Media & Timeline - NO DISCUSSION

No. 96: White woman, 50s
She described herself as an animal lover who is passionate about advocacy for affordable housing and homelessness. She told the court said she recently resigned from her customer service-related job. The juror noted she feels like she is good at de-escalating conflicts and getting both sides to come together for a resolution.

She said she had seen video clips of the bystander video a few times and is also aware of the $27 million settlement.

In her questionnaire, she wrote that the restraint used on Floyd was “ultimately responsible” for his death, but under questioning she acknowledged that was her assumption based on what she had seen. She acknowledged the video may not show the entirety of what happened.


ETA: Her words in video...

"I think the defense over promised, and did not live up to what he said he was going to do."
 
  • #198
thanks so much for that link...I think she probably speaks for the deliberating jurors...it is consistent with a quick guilty verdict and her reasons made sense...probably similar to most of us. She felt okay to talk given she was an alternate.


And MOST importantly, I would hope that the media understands that interviewing the jurors NOW may affect the upcoming trial and or plea for Chauvin and/or pleas with the other 3 officers and will STAY AWAY from the actual jurors.

MOO I do not think reputable outlets will attempt to do such as they understand potential consequences.

MOO
 
  • #199
He should get a sentence closer to the 3rd degree murder charge.

I'm so very very torn on ... well.. I'll just focus on Lane.

His first week on the job with Keung... solo rookies together.

I do hope that he pleads and doesn't go to trial. And I do hope that the community and the world will support such... but is the AG going to do such after "testing the waters"?

Dunno.

I myself have seen a higher up do something illegal. I wanted out ASAP from under, went to HR and said I must be transferred to another department IMMEDIATELY. I was transferred... yet I never "outed" that person. I needed to pay my bills. (Yeah, that happens... what can I say...)

Ended up quickly that I didn't have to, as the government was, unbeknownst to me, doing the investigation and did millions of dollars penalty against what was done by my superior without me coming forward.

I really am on the fence, with Lane especially..

I don't know what I would do as a juror, and just hope to heaven he doesn't go to trial.
 
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And MOST importantly, I would hope that the media understands that interviewing the jurors NOW may affect the upcoming trial and or plea for Chauvin and/or pleas with the other 3 officers and will STAY AWAY from the actual jurors.

MOO I do not think reputable outlets will attempt to do such as they understand potential consequences.

MOO
I had not thought about that but yes it may be that it was suggested to the jurors that there is still sentencing and three other charged people in this same crime and things they say could impact their outcomes. I don't think they can be prohibited from doing an interview but they might make the decision not to at this time until all other cases are settled (which I think will be plea deals with prison time). I don't have much faith in any "reputable outlets" not trying to contact them.
 
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