MN - George Floyd, 46, unarmed, killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 *arrests* #2

[SleuthBee]

The only other option would be to physically try to stop Chauvin. That could have ended with the witness's being injured or killed.

Not a good idea. This defense attorney will have to try something else because common sense tell us that the witness's did everything they could to intervene and prevent the senseless death of George Floyd.

Statements like that made in front of a jury will backfire and make them doubt anything the defense lawyer say's as being sincere. JMO

Aside from sadistic pleasure, the only emotion from DC was rage. When bystanders were close to intervening, DC reacted as if threatened. He grabbed the mace to protect himself - protect the killing ... they were one. I am struggling to explain my thoughts on this. I am interested in the defense's explanation.

 

[SleuthBee]

That is just too ignorant a statement to respond to: maybe sir, because if any citizen tried to intervene they would more than likely been shot on the spot- you moron!!!!
Deflect much?

He hasn't had time to watch the video (sarc). Geeez ... someone needs a new attorney.

 

[Cubby]

The attorney for one of the officer's charged in George Floyd's death says that if the public is so concerned about Floyd's death, why didn't any citizen witnessing the incident intervene.

https://twitter.com/joshscampbell/status/1270171593407422464?s=20

Really? He must have not watched the videos where citizens where verbally intervening. Had they done more than verbally intervening they would have been arrested for assaulting an officer. So, apparently the the murderers attorneys are suggesting more lawlessness.

Smh.

 

[sds71]

I wonder if they were able to retrieve Thao’s iPhone from his locker.
APPLICATION FOR SEARCH WARRANT:
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6934770/3rd-Precinct-Lockers-Search-Warrant.pdf

 

[JerseyGirl]

Another case gaining attention is out of Austin, Texas. His name is Javier Ambler.

Texas police chase ends in death. "I can't breathe," the man cries.

Javier Ambler was driving home from a friendly poker game in the early hours of March 28, 2019, when a Williamson County sheriff’s deputy noticed that he failed to dim the headlights of his SUV to oncoming traffic.

Twenty-eight minutes later, the black father of two sons lay dying on a north Austin street after deputies held him down and used Tasers on him four times while a crew from A&E’s reality show “Live PD” filmed.

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Earlier this year in Tacoma, Washington, another African-American man, Manuel Ellis, also uttered the words "I can't breathe" shortly before dying from positional asphyxia during a police encounter.

I can't breathe - Wikipedia

 

[kaen]

The attorney for one of the officer's charged in George Floyd's death says that if the public is so concerned about Floyd's death, why didn't any citizen witnessing the incident intervene.

https://twitter.com/joshscampbell/status/1270171593407422464?s=20

I wonder how many people would have been killed for stepping in. I believe the outcry from the LEO would have been all in favor of police would have surfaced as a result. Unbelievable to suggest that these bystanders should have done something his client refused to do---and his client had a gun and a badge.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Police unions: part of the problem

Good article: Police Unions are definitely part of the problem: they prevent rogue police officers from being disciplined.

Morning all!

I couldn't agree more. Imo, unions arent just part of the problem, but they are front, and center why these things are allowed to happen with the rogue cops allowed to remain on the force.

Imo, the union is the very reason why George's murderer was allowed to remain for years with many complaints already against him.

It isn't like the Union didnt know his record. They did, yet he remained when he should have been fired a long time ago. It's reminds me of someone who protects a fugitive from justice, but the Unions do it in plain sight.

At one time when Unions were first established they were a good thing to make sure employees were treated equally, and fairly. But like anything what often happens the organizations abuses its power.

Instead of protecting all good workers what they they have done is give a license for horrible employees to remain.

Our son was in management in civil service at our Marine Corps base. He is a very fair minded man who truly believes in teamwork, but he expected all employees to do their jobs they were hired to do. Yet there were 5 or 6 who refused to do as everyone else did. These individuals repeatedly came in late, or didnt come in at all nor called. This was a repeated pattern by these men. Rightly so, it caused friction in the entire workforce. No matter how many times he talked with them to do better they still refused. He had no choice but to write them up giving them warnings. He even went to the higher ups showing documented evidence they all needed to be fired. Their attitude, and behavior were causing morale to decline. Nope, all of the slackers just thumbed their nose because they knew the Union would protect them. So in the end because our son knew it was so unfair to all of the great workers he told them he no longer wanted the position since he knew nothing would ever change. And it didn't. But at least it wasn't his headache to deal with anymore.

It's not just police unions either. Imo, It's all of them especially teacher's unions. They continue to keep teachers who are so inept robbing many of our nation's children from getting good education they all deserve.

When any Union continues to protect very bad employees allowing them to remain no matter what they do or dont do injustices will continue to happen no matter which Union it happens to be.

Why should police unions be allowed to have a different set of rules for the employees simply because the bad ones belongs to their Union?

What would happen to anyone else who didnt belong to a union if they failed miserably to do their job or worse grossly mistreated and abused others? We all know the answer.

Yet in any Union they have a different set of rules which winds up shielding the worst employees possible.

It makes no sense. Anyone who fails to do their job duties correctly should immediately be fired unless the employees immediately rectified the problems.

Imo. we have lost common sense. Now more than ever bad apples in all professions who have unions are protected instead of exposed. Too many excuses are being given for inexcusable bad behavior.

George's killer shouldn't have been on the streets in the first place with his dismal record. Yet, the PD officials knew he was a powder keg, but did nothing to remove him.

Jmho

 

[MsBetsy]

The attorney for one of the officer's charged in George Floyd's death says that if the public is so concerned about Floyd's death, why didn't any citizen witnessing the incident intervene.

https://twitter.com/joshscampbell/status/1270171593407422464?s=20

Is he serious? They were all pleading for them to stop! How many times did that one guy say, "He's not breathing, man!?" They were all telling him to check his pulse and when the witness who said she was firefighter pleaded with them to check, they just asked if she were really a firefighter.

While officer Thao stood guard, Chauvin sprayed them with pepper spray to keep them away.

Those people are probably already traumatized enough without
this attorney turning it around and blaming it on them!

 

[tresir2012]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed>This site is for people to post their opinions so we have to be prepared for opinions not agreeing with our own. If two doctors don't agree on autopsy results however can we? It is clear Chauvin knelt on his neck till George Floyd died. Did that kill him or did he suffer a heart attack? I don't know.

Here is an article discussing the autopsies.

Medical examiner: Floyd's heart stopped while restrained

 

[sloane7777]

Is he serious? They were all pleading for them to stop! How many times did that one guy say, "He's not breathing, man!?" They were all telling him to check his pulse and when the witness who said she was firefighter pleaded with them to check, they just asked if she were really a firefighter.

While officer Thao stood guard, Chauvin sprayed them with pepper spray to keep them away.

Those people are probably already traumatized enough without
this attorney turning it around and blaming it on them!

if you look at the entire video the one officer ( I think it was the Asian officer) when the guy was saying he cant breathe , he made a movement like he was putting his hand on his gun, I wouldn't have intervened either (my husband said he would have probably been shot helping ) .

 

[tresir2012]

Is he serious? They were all pleading for them to stop! How many times did that one guy say, "He's not breathing, man!?" They were all telling him to check his pulse and when the witness who said she was firefighter pleaded with them to check, they just asked if she were really a firefighter.

While officer Thao stood guard, Chauvin sprayed them with pepper spray to keep them away.

Those people are probably already traumatized enough without
this attorney turning it around and blaming it on them!

Thao also said something like "This is what happens when you do drugs"

Source is in the Wiki I posted.

 

[tresir2012]

Here's some additional information on his COVID tests.

Autopsy report: George Floyd had COVID-19. He tested positive in April but had no symptoms.

Thanks, I thought that was the case. April 3rd he tested positive and still tested positive from the autopsy almost two months later. Presumably after the 17th April he would not have been infectious. I don't suppose we know whether he attended hospital after that first test do we?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed> This site is for people to post their opinions so we have to be prepared for opinions not agreeing with our own. If two doctors don't agree on autopsy results however can we? It is clear Chauvin knelt on his neck till George Floyd died. Did that kill him or did he suffer a heart attack? I don't know.

Here is an article discussing the autopsies.

Medical examiner: Floyd's heart stopped while restrained

I'm not sure it would matter based on the law.

If anyone dies from a heart attack when anyone is committing a felony then they are still culpable of murder for the person's death.

I have seen such cases where someone died from a heart attack while being robbed inside of a bank. Etc. The suspect was charged with murder. So were any, and all accomplices even the getaway driver outside.

I think the defense has a very hard case. Even if the jury should believe George suffered a heart attack it doesnt lessen the guilt of the suspect because they will see from the video the suspect is the very one who traumatized George into having one. That would still make him just as guilty by law.

However I believe the jury will accept the second autopsy because it fully supports the video evidence.

Jmho tho

 

[tresir2012]

I think a thorough investigation into a prior relationship is warranted. DC sure did appear to go directly to the car and pull GF out and onto the ground.

Thao most likely knows if DC knew GF was the suspect before arriving at the scene. Of the 3 aiding and abetting officers, Thao actions were sadistic IMOO. And I will not be surprised if each officer severs the brotherhood for an independent defense. I could be wrong, but I am looking for Thao to flip on DC.

In the video when GF is sitting on the ground, another cop car turns up and I think that is Thao who then almost immediately telephones someone. It would be interesting to know who he was phoning and what he was saying.

 

[Nadi]

For anyone who is interested here is a list of Verified Posters/Insiders (looks like it was last updated May 25, 20):

Professional Posters & Verified Insiders

 

[tresir2012]

Morning all!

I couldn't agree more. Imo, unions arent just part of the problem, but they are front, and center why these things are allowed to happen with the rogue cops allowed to remain on the force.

Imo, the union is the very reason why George's murderer was allowed to remain for years with many complaints already against him.

It isn't like the Union didnt know his record. They did, yet he remained when he should have been fired a long time ago. It's reminds me of someone who protects a fugitive from justice, but the Unions do it in plain sight.

At one time when Unions were first established they were a good thing to make sure employees were treated equally, and fairly. But like anything what often happens the organizations abuses its power.

Instead of protecting all good workers what they they have done is give a license for horrible employees to remain.

Our son was in management in civil service at our Marine Corps base. He is a very fair minded man who truly believes in teamwork, but he expected all employees to do their jobs they were hired to do. Yet there were 5 or 6 who refused to do as everyone else did. These individuals repeatedly came in late, or didnt come in at all nor called. This was a repeated pattern by these men. Rightly so, it caused friction in the entire workforce. No matter how many times he talked with them to do better they still refused. He had no choice but to write them up giving them warnings. He even went to the higher ups showing documented evidence they all needed to be fired. Their attitude, and behavior were causing morale to decline. Nope, all of the slackers just thumbed their nose because they knew the Union would protect them. So in the end because our son knew it was so unfair to all of the great workers he told them he no longer wanted the position since he knew nothing would ever change. And it didn't. But at least it wasn't his headache to deal with anymore.

It's not just police unions either. Imo, It's all of them especially teacher's unions. They continue to keep teachers who are so inept robbing many of our nation's children from getting good education they all deserve.

When any Union continues to protect very bad employees allowing them to remain no matter what they do or dont do injustices will continue to happen no matter which Union it happens to be.

Why should police unions be allowed to have a different set of rules for the employees simply because the bad ones belongs to their Union?

What would happen to anyone else who didnt belong to a union if they failed miserably to do their job or worse grossly mistreated and abused others? We all know the answer.

Yet in any Union they have a different set of rules which winds up shielding the worst employees possible.

It makes no sense. Anyone who fails to do their job duties correctly should immediately be fired unless the employees immediately rectified the problems.

Imo. we have lost common sense. Now more than ever bad apples in all professions who have unions are protected instead of exposed. Too many excuses are being given for inexcusable bad behavior.

George's killer shouldn't have been on the streets in the first place with his dismal record. Yet, the PD officials knew he was a powder keg, but did nothing to remove him.

Jmho

I don't believe we can blame this on unions. Unfortunately I am unable to read the link the OP posted but unions are there for one purpose only, to serve their members.

 

[MsBetsy]

Thao also said something like "This is what happens when you do drugs"

Source is in the Wiki I posted.

Yes, he did and he also told the bystanders, "Don't do drugs, kids!" While the officers continued to restrain him and kneel on his neck.

Asphyxiation can lead to cardiac arrest which is why many police forces don't use that maneuver anymore. The mayor in Minneapolis had already banned it the year before. Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

I don't believe we can blame this on unions. Unfortunately I am unable to read the link the OP posted but unions are there for one purpose only, to serve their members.

I believe it was the Union President who argued that the officers should be allowed to continue the maneuver used on Floyd. He said it takes away their control. Imo

 

[KR72]

In my opinion, it does not matter if he was a "good person" or not--- what happened to him was cold blooded murder by cop. it is ugly and cannot be justified or rationalized.

Exactly. Someone in another thread mentioned that someone they knew is a police officer who arrested a serial killer, so nothing George Floyd did called for him to be killed in the way he was.

The police have even apprehended mass shooters and killers alive, (two in recent years in Canada for instance mosque shooting in Quebec and the van attack in Toronto) and if they can do that, they could have easily handled the George Floyd situation without murdering him.

 

[Cubby]

Is he serious? They were all pleading for them to stop! How many times did that one guy say, "He's not breathing, man!?" They were all telling him to check his pulse and when the witness who said she was firefighter pleaded with them to check, they just asked if she were really a firefighter.

While officer Thao stood guard, Chauvin sprayed them with pepper spray to keep them away.

Those people are probably already traumatized enough without
this attorney turning it around and blaming it on them!

There another message in the attorneys response. If he needs to attempt to deflect responsibility to civilian bystanders, he clearly knows he has little to nothing on which to build a defense.

Chauvin is sunk - and his attorney knows it.