MN - George Floyd, 46, unarmed, killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 *arrests* #2

[iluvmua]

Derek Chauvin’s Actions Were Cruel. But a Conviction Won’t Come Easily.

Thanks for the article.

If anyone is interested in why it will be hard to get a conviction, read this.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I think the guy who wanted to roll George on his side might get a lighter sentence than the others.

Also, I wonder if the drugs that were in George's system were prescribed for medical reasons since his roommate said he was not a druggie.

It might get him off the aiding and abetting second degree murder charge completely, since that statement undercuts the required intent for aiding and abetting.



Keep in mind though that Chauvin is charged with unintentional second degree murder committed during the commission of another felony.

Too be honest, whether Chauvin gets convicted for third degree murder or unintentional second degree murder won't matter for sentencing, since the sentencing guidelines for both are the same.

http://mn.gov/msgc-stat/documents/Guidelines/2019/MinnSentencingGuidelinesCommentary.pdf

The guidelines say 150 months for someone with no priors, with a range of 128 to 180 months.

I thought at first also that it might lighten the sentence. But then I went googling and learned that him uttering those words in addition to commenting of the words "excited delirium" reasoning.. he and the others knew/should have known that this was against the rules and was potential for death (oh yeah, no pulse or breathing too.. notwithstanding pffft)... so I think those words might actually be damning as he wouldn't have known those words to use unless he had had such in training which said not to, and what to do in response. It shows he KNEW to get him off prone and sit him up to recover.

http://www.aele.org/law/2009all01/2009-01MLJ101.pdf

MOO

 

[sloane7777]

So George tested positive for the Virus How is that going to affect the funeral??? Anyone I cant see thousands packed in a Houston church and if he tested positive what about his family , they been around and crying on everyone !

 

[mickey2942]

Under what situations is a pension forfeited? When fired? When convicted of a felony while on duty?

I'm wondering if he's lost his pension completely now.

Anyone know or have input? TIA

That is an interesting question. Because his wife could be eligible for 1/2 of his pension. I believe in the Sandusky case, that his wife was allowed her portion of the pension. Not sure though.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

So George tested positive for the Virus How is that going to affect the funeral??? Anyone I cant see thousands packed in a Houston church and if he tested positive what about his family , they been around and crying on everyone !

He wasn't infective at all. But I do get your gist as to if there is asymptomatics for funeral... yep. That is the issue, not his body MOO.

For those of us following the COVID thread we can tell you that the *inactive* particles are there much later and show up on PCR. That was about two month ago the "what is going on with reinfections"... but turned out PCR picks up non-infective stuff (expectedly by scientists, but media went with they were still infectious)

He did NOT have COVID active infection MOO. MOO. I think there are a couple of other folks that follow that thread posting here that can chime in.

Having a funeral that has nothing to do with his status, and folks hugging etc etc.. that is an issue on how to do with the funeral which there may be in place rules by the governor which may impact such.

Outdoors with distancing? Dunno. Virtual? Dunno.

 

[sloane7777]

No worries. For those of us following the COVID thread we can tell you that the *inactive* particles are there much later and show up on PCR. That was about two month ago the "what is going on with reinfections"... but turned out PCR picks up non-infective stuff (expectedly by scientists, but media went with they were still infectious)

He did NOT have COVID active infection MOO. MOO. I think there are a couple of other folks that follow that thread posting here that can chime in.

Ok Whew although Still its going to be a packed funeral that still scares me , I need to catch up on the Covid thread , Now that I'm sure Ive had it , I'm having all kinds of weird After effects I'm sure ya'll have addressed a lot of it WS is better than trying to weed out info researching alone with all of you talented brains on the Covid thread Thank you!

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

When I think about poor George having COVID, I have to keep reminding myself that it's bad karma to wish bad karma on others, even if they are murderers. It's hard.

So, was GF wearing a mask? And he was out in public having had the virus? Just wondering. So many questions in this case.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

So, was GF wearing a mask? And he was out in public having had the virus? Just wondering. So many questions in this case.

I think so few people are able to get tested, or think about getting tested, that yeah, a lot of us could be walking around with it, without active symptoms. He may not have known, and felt fine, or he may have felt symptoms that could be attributed to something else, and the Covid may have complicated the effect of the officer's heinous actions.

Lots of people aren't wearing masks, and may live in areas where there's social and political pressure to "get back to normal", where masks aren't encouraged and may even be mocked.

 

[zencompass]

But he knew he had no pulse.

Dear @Gardenista,

Exactly.

As to premeditation, we may find out facts about if Chauvin and Floyd did know each other while working at that venue. Who knows? Perhaps there is history between them that we do not yet know. Just a few thoughts. JMO

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

I think so few people are able to get tested, or think about getting tested, that yeah, a lot of us could be walking around with it, without active symptoms. He may not have known, and felt fine, or he may have felt symptoms that could be attributed to something else, and the Covid may have complicated the effect of the officer's heinous actions.

Lots of people aren't wearing masks, and may live in areas where there's social and political pressure to "get back to normal", where masks aren't encouraged and may even be mocked.

(MINNEAPOLIS) —" A full autopsy of George Floyd, the handcuffed black man who died after being restrained by Minneapolis police, was released Wednesday and provides several clinical details, including that Floyd had previously tested positive for COVID-19."
"The report by Chief Medical Examiner Andrew Baker spelled out clinical details, including that Floyd had tested positive for COVID-19 on April 3 but appeared asymptomatic. The report also noted Floyd’s lungs appeared healthy but he had some narrowing of arteries in the heart."

Autopsy Report Shows George Floyd Had Tested Positive For COVID-19

 

[raja]

He wasn't infective at all. But I do get your gist as to if there is asymptomatics for funeral... yep. That is the issue, not his body MOO.

For those of us following the COVID thread we can tell you that the *inactive* particles are there much later and show up on PCR. That was about two month ago the "what is going on with reinfections"... but turned out PCR picks up non-infective stuff (expectedly by scientists, but media went with they were still infectious)

He did NOT have COVID active infection MOO. MOO. I think there are a couple of other folks that follow that thread posting here that can chime in.

Having a funeral that has nothing to do with his status, and folks hugging etc etc.. that is an issue on how to do with the funeral which there may be in place rules by the governor which may impact such.

Outdoors with distancing? Dunno. Virtual? Dunno.

I am not sure it is true he wasn't infective. He tested positive in April but didn't he again test positive during the autopsy? I have tried to follow the Covid-19 thread but am unsure if your invective period is only at the beginning of testing positive.

George Floyd was infected with COVID-19, autopsy reveals

"The report further noted that a nasal swab sample collected from Floyd's body came back positive for COVID-19, and that Floyd had also tested positive on April 3, nearly eight weeks before his death."

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

I think so few people are able to get tested, or think about getting tested, that yeah, a lot of us could be walking around with it, without active symptoms. He may not have known, and felt fine, or he may have felt symptoms that could be attributed to something else, and the Covid may have complicated the effect of the officer's heinous actions.

Lots of people aren't wearing masks, and may live in areas where there's social and political pressure to "get back to normal", where masks aren't encouraged and may even be mocked.

Coronavirus in Minnesota: Minneapolis to require face masks in | MinnPost
Minneapolis orders face masks in public settings
Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey signed an executive order Thursday that will require face masks inside public settings in the city starting May 26.

The new order will require cloth masks or coverings when people are in indoor gathering places such as stores, government buildings, schools and universities, recreational facilities and service centers.



The city joins states such as New York, Illinois, Rhode Island, Utah, Massachusetts, Michigan and Delaware requiring masks by the general public. Nearly every state recommends mask-wearing in public and most states have requirements for masks for workers and customers in businesses such as restaurants and salons or when riding transit. Metro Transit has such a rule and Minnesota is one of the states requiring masks in some reopened businesses.

But Gov. Tim Walz said last week that he has resisted making mask wearing a statewide requirement. In conversations with states like Ohio that considered it and decided not to, Walz said he learned that it can become a political flashpoint, and that a recommendation could be more effective. “When they talked about this being helping your neighbor and making it easier to open more things, they got a higher compliance rate,” Walz said. "

 

[kaen]

I am not sure it is true he wasn't infective. He tested positive in April but didn't he again test positive during the autopsy? I have tried to follow the Covid-19 thread but am unsure if your invective period is only at the beginning of testing positive.

George Floyd was infected with COVID-19, autopsy reveals

"The report further noted that a nasal swab sample collected from Floyd's body came back positive for COVID-19, and that Floyd had also tested positive on April 3, nearly eight weeks before his death."

The county's chief medical examiner, Dr. Andrew Baker, concluded that the post mortem test result "most likely reflects asymptomatic but persistent ... positivity from previous infection." There was no indication in the autopsy report that coronavirus played any role in Floyd's death.

Edited: checked and found this.

 

[zencompass]

There are, of course, differing legal opinions as usual.

In the following link in the post by @Jax49, A.G. Ellison did charge exactly as laid out by the expert in the article linked.

Excerpt:

"Friedberg said the attorney general, who is now in charge of the case, will likely have to amend the complaint and charge Chauvin with first or second-degree murder before anything else happens with the other three officers."

"There's no question that Officer Chauvin should have been charged with second-degree murder," Friedberg said. "He could be charged with intentional but not premeditated second-degree murder. He could be charged with unintentional second-degree murder with force, which is called felony murder. Either one of those two crimes you can have accessories to."

Expert details why other officers in George Floyd's death haven't been charged

 

[Niner]

I'm guessing there is no live stream or someone tweeting for the hearing for the 3 officers?

 

[zencompass]

Link to the Minnesota Judicial Branch where we can follow the cases of all four of the officers: (Complaints and all legal documents contained within)


http://www.mncourts.gov/media/


27-CR-20-12646:

State vs. Derek Chauvin
State vs. J. Alexander Kueng
State vs. Thomas Kiernan Lane
State vs. Tou Thao

• In the Matter of the Death of George Perry Floyd

 

[zencompass]

Clicking on the individuals' cases, you will see that only 2 of them so far have lawyers on file.

"Certificate of Representation"

All filed legal documents will be on the site, including court dates and times.

 

[JerseyGirl]

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[scdiv]

George Floyd's 6-year-old daughter speaks out about her dad: 'I miss him'

 

[LadyL]

I am sure you all noted tbat George Floyd was saying he couldnt breathe before he went down to the ground- i wondered why he was having a problem breathing before he went down to the ground---now we know why---'the autopsy revealed he had corona virus - so it is even more unconscionable that those officers were aware he was having problems breathingbefore officer Chauvin kept his knee firmly planted on his neck for 9 minutes---
i think the prosecution will raise that issue during the trial-- which makes Chauvin's
horrible behavior even more egregious

omg! I didn't even think of that
I feel sick