MN - George Floyd, 46, unarmed, killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 *arrests* #2

[Cubby]

how long are police officers considered rookies? Lane joined the force in 2019.

"Lane was also a recent addition to the MPD; he started as a police cadet in February 2019 and started as an officer in December 2019. During his initial court appearance Thursday, his lawyer repeatedly said George Floyd’s death occurred on his fourth day on the force, which is contradicted by these documents"
MPD Releases Personnel Files Of Four Former Officers Involved With George Floyd's Death

Both Kueng and Lane started as officers in 2019.

Thanks for getting past the lawyer spin for the facts.

 

[tresir2012]

I guess you are ready to start workin the case

I don't recall the exact date the 3rd precinct was burned down or if this warrant was executed. 5 days after the incident is more than enough time to clean out a locker...

** This case involves honorable LE sworn to serve and protect, a depraved killer posing as a police officer, a questionable PD, and an unarmed and restrained suspect that was killed while in police custody. My LE background and sense of loyalty is challenged. And SleuthBee and Websleuths are both LE friendly. How do we do this within the terms of service?

It burnt down on 28th May. This guy in this article was charged with arson and theft.
I notice that search warrant was electronically issued 28th May at 9.49 pm. Not sure what time it burnt down but it's likely the items weren't retrieved IMO.

Man charged in fire that gutted Mpls. police station

 

[Cubby]

The other thing I consistently see misreported over and over is MSM and everyone else on television talking about this case is that Chauvin had his hand in his pocket.

Are people blind? I require readers and I have a cheap several year old tablet and I can still see that Chauvin had black gloves on and his hand was ON his thigh, not IN is pocket.

It's been enough time to get the facts straight regarding the false reporting of the hand in the pocket thing.

 

[KR72]

Officials say Chauvin was in negotiations for plea deal prior to arrest, charges


Officials say Chauvin was in negotiations for plea deal prior to arrest, charges

 

[mickey2942]

Thomas Lane is out on bail.

Thomas Lane, Ex-Officer Charged In George Floyd's Death, Leaves Jail After Posting Bond

Interesting. So, I guess that the police union is not putting up bond? Otherwise, the others would also be out on bond.

 

[tresir2012]

And Chauvin was not the only off-duty officer working at El Nuevo Rodeo.

....... there were often a couple dozen security guards, including off-duty officers.
George Floyd, fired officer overlapped security shifts at south Minneapolis club

I wonder if Thao was one of the other officers who worked as an off duty security guard?

 

[tresir2012]

@eliehonig
speaking now, Minneapolis Police Chief Arradondo clearly and passionately condemned the actions of the four ex-officers - refused to even say Chauvin's name - and embraced the need for and commitment to reform and transparency, without pandering or over-promising.
@tracym
Arradondo on George Floyd's death, "Nothing within that call should've resulted in the outcome of Floyd's death."
@KristenClarkeJD
Reporter points out MPD's inaccurate George Floyd “medical incident” press release, asks: had there not been video, would we have known about this? “I'm thankful, absolutely, that this was captured,” says Chief Arradondo, telling the public: ”Record. Absolutely. Record.”
Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo affirms power and importance of recording police misconduct. Says it’s critical for the public to record, to call out, to demand a supervisor report to the scene.
Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo announces he’s immediately withdrawing from police union contract negotiations.

The Chief also said there is bodycam footage but it is not in his "purview" release it.

"Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo affirms power and importance of recording police misconduct. Says it’s critical for the public to record, to call out, to demand a supervisor report to the scene."

But Chauvin was a supervisor already at the scene? He was the problem, so should the crowd call for another supervisor?

 

[Cubby]

"Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo affirms power and importance of recording police misconduct. Says it’s critical for the public to record, to call out, to demand a supervisor report to the scene."

But Chauvin was a supervisor already at the scene? He was the problem, so should the crowd call for another supervisor?

And how's that going to work? Is the dispatcher not going to say LE is already on the scene if someone calls 911? I just really don't see how this is going to work in real time versus after the fact.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

The other thing I consistently see misreported over and over is MSM and everyone else on television talking about this case is that Chauvin had his hand in his pocket.

Are people blind? I require readers and I have a cheap several year old tablet and I can still see that Chauvin had black gloves on and his hand was ON his thigh, not IN is pocket.

It's been enough time to get the facts straight regarding the false reporting of the hand in the pocket thing.

BBM It seems people see what they want to see and don't see what they want to ignore. JMOO

 

[musicaljoke]

There must be something more. Some sort of messed up "Perfect Storm" that made Chauvin be such an idiot. He almost had his 20 years in. At that point, most officers just sort of coast until they are out. Letting junior officers get in the fray.

I wouldn't bet on Chauvin being alive in 6 months.

The need to paint white men who do horrific things as fine people who suddenly snapped remains a glaring problem. It’s called “Exceptional White Male Syndrome.” You'll often see media slip into this hole when writing about even the worst white male offenders, often claiming that they were pushed beyond their limits by outside forces.

At the same time, there is an obvious counter-bias for Blacks – even when they are the victims. Racialized people are often described by their perceived faults – we hear of their criminal history, their health issues, unemployment, or addictions. Almost every newspaper that reported the murder of George Floyd was guilty of this racial bias.

This kind of reporting perpetuates racial stereotypes and causes the reader to subconciously blame the victim.

We should be focused on what happened and how to prevent these kinds of murders from happening in the future, not writing a sympathetic biography of the killer. Whether or not he was a decent cop or a nice man for 20 years is irrelevant.

Nova Scotia mass shooting lays bare media's white male bias

 

[mickey2942]

And how's that going to work? Is the dispatcher not going to say LE is already on the scene if someone calls 911? I just really don't see how this is going to work in real time versus after the fact.

Agreed. I saw the Chief of Police for Minneapolis. His story is that the other officers should have stepped up and stopped Chauvin.

My question is how come an officer like Chauvin was still working for the Minneapolis PD. Problems go from the top down. There is an "unspoken" rule, to just ignore problem officers.

That is a supervision problem.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

The need to paint white men who do horrific things as fine people who suddenly snapped remains a glaring problem. It’s called “Exceptional White Male Syndrome.” You'll often see media slip into this hole when writing about even the worst white male offenders, often claiming that they were pushed beyond their limits by outside forces.

At the same time, there is an obvious counter-bias for Blacks – even when they are the victims. Racialized people are often described by their perceived faults – we hear of their criminal history, their health issues, unemployment, or addictions. Almost every newspaper that reported the murder of George Floyd was guilty of this racial bias.

This kind of reporting perpetuates racial stereotypes and causes the reader to subconciously blame the victim.

We should be focused on what happened and how to prevent these kinds of murders from happening in the future, not writing a sympathetic biography of the killer. Whether or not he was a decent cop or a nice man for 20 years is irrelevant.

Nova Scotia mass shooting lays bare media's white male bias

I can't speak for everyone, but I would want to know what made any police officer do what DC did.

jmo

 

[PrairieWind]

Agreed. I saw the Chief of Police for Minneapolis. His story is that the other officers should have stepped up and stopped Chauvin.

My question is how come an officer like Chauvin was still working for the Minneapolis PD. Problems go from the top down. There is an "unspoken" rule, to just ignore problem officers.

That is a supervision problem.

The Chief is saying officers should have stepped up. But the Chief knew of Chauvin's record. Why didn't he step up and do something months or years ago. The City Council knew of the MPD problems, even received an independent report on failings in January. Why didn't they step up? Not to deflect from Chauvin, who should go to prison for life. But there were massive failings here.

 

[Jax49]

Man who claimed George Floyd and Derek Chauvin "bumped heads" changes story - CBS News

A man who worked at the same club with George Floyd and Derek Chauvin – and previously told CBS News the two had "bumped heads" – changed his story Wednesday, saying he had mistaken Floyd for another unnamed African-American employee.

David Pinney told CBS News he worked at the same club where Chauvin and Floyd were employed to provide part-time security. Chauvin is the former police officer who is charged in Floyd's death.

 

[SouthAussie]

The Chief is saying officers should have stepped up. But the Chief knew of Chauvin's record. Why didn't he step up and do something months or years ago. The City Council knew of the MPD problems, even received an independent report on failings in January. Why didn't they step up? Not to deflect from Chauvin, who should go to prison for life. But there were massive failings here.

Justine Damond's family were promised changes after she was killed by Noor in 2017.
Their lawsuit settlement even provided $2,000,000 to the city of Minneapolis towards those changes.


Ruszczyk said after his daughter's death, he spoke with Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo and Mayor Jacob Frey.
"We were satisfied that Justine's killer was found guilty, but we remained concerned that the police force, as an institution was deeply flawed," he said. "Both gentlemen said they would work to change the culture and behavior of officers with the goal of improving relations between the police and community. The fact that another person has died at the hands of the Minneapolis police using excessive force shows that they have not made adequate changes to their practices and training as we had been told they would after Justine's murder."
Father of Justine Ruszczyk Damond responds to death of George Floyd

 

[tresir2012]

And how's that going to work? Is the dispatcher not going to say LE is already on the scene if someone calls 911? I just really don't see how this is going to work in real time versus after the fact.

If they call 911 and report the incident. I notice in the video the guy in the white T (supposedly the nephew of the Cup store owner) that Thao pushes back, walks off with a young woman who is already on her cell phone. Clearly upset.

 

[tresir2012]

Man who claimed George Floyd and Derek Chauvin "bumped heads" changes story - CBS News

Yeah right.

 

[tresir2012]

Both Kueng and Lane started as officers in 2019.

Thanks for getting past the lawyer spin for the facts.

How long were they at the training academy? So Dec 2019 they became officers and would begin training.

It is 16 weeks academy training according to this link.

Minneapolis Police Department Officer Requirements

 

[tresir2012]

It seems likely to me that the security gig provided the perfect cover for lucrative criminal activity at the club. He worked how many nights a week? In his patrol car! And did his day job! He probably was raking it in at the club and making much more than he did with MPD. Otherwise, why do it? For 17 years. I still want to know why the owner kept him on if he was macing black customers. Apparently he treated Latinos fine.

The club had been sold two months previously and would have been closed for a couple of months anyway due to coronavirus. Both Chauvin and Mr Floyd would have been out of work at the club. How did Chauvin fill his evenings...printing money?

I thought it was GF who passed the counterfeit bill? Do you think they were both involved in it?

 

[musicaljoke]

Justine Damond's family were promised changes after she was killed by Noor in 2017.
Their lawsuit settlement even provided $2,000,000 to the city of Minneapolis towards those changes.


Ruszczyk said after his daughter's death, he spoke with Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo and Mayor Jacob Frey.
"We were satisfied that Justine's killer was found guilty, but we remained concerned that the police force, as an institution was deeply flawed," he said. "Both gentlemen said they would work to change the culture and behavior of officers with the goal of improving relations between the police and community. The fact that another person has died at the hands of the Minneapolis police using excessive force shows that they have not made adequate changes to their practices and training as we had been told they would after Justine's murder."
Father of Justine Ruszczyk Damond responds to death of George Floyd

It's probably impossible for the Minneapolis police to make effective change within their own institution. When racist problems are so deeply intrenched into the operations of the department, it can only be resolved with a complete overhaul at every level. The good news is that the city can find successful examples from other places where deep cleaning took place.