MN - George Floyd, 46, unarmed, killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 *arrests* #2

[Charlot123]

You are correct but, when it comes to juries, character means a lot: the defense is going to try and make the jury dislike the decedent. The defense wants the jury to dislike George Floyd and think he got what he deserved. They will talk about prior bad acts- some may not be admissible, some may be admissible. It is never as cut and dry as you may think. Of course it shouldn't matter what kind of guy Floyd was. What should matter is how the cop kept his knee on this man's
neck for almost 9 minutes resulting in death but it is never quite that simple and easy for the prosecution: they know it and they will be prepared.

You are right. I am looking it from the point of a regular citizen who could potentially meet both, a burglar or a policeman. Meeting a burglar like Floyd would not be fun. And he did his time for it.

Now imagine meeting a policeman like Chauvin. I would not want to be stopped by him for speeding, either.

 

[Rocco]

You are right. I am looking it from the point of a regular citizen who could potentially meet both, a burglar or a policeman. Meeting a burglar like Floyd would not be fun. And he did his time for it.

Now imagine meeting a policeman like Chauvin. I would not want to be stopped by him for speeding, either.

IMO they won't be able to bring in Floyd's past history. What he did in the past was years ago and has nothing to do with how he behaved that night. More to the point, his history has nothing to do with what Chauvin did to him and that's who's going to be on trial.

 

[ilovewings]

You are right. I am looking it from the point of a regular citizen who could potentially meet both, a burglar or a policeman. Meeting a burglar like Floyd would not be fun. And he did his time for it.

Now imagine meeting a policeman like Chauvin. I would not want to be stopped by him for speeding, either.

I don't think it is fair that George Floyd's character and criminal record will be used by the defense in this case. It shouldn't matter, but our justice system allows the defense to bash the victim: we have seen it time and time again----I have to say though that the manner in which this man was murdered was so horrific and raw- that the defense is going to have a difficult time getting passed that. I imagine the prosecution will have silence for 8 minutes and 46 seconds: it will seem like an eternity to everyone in that courtroom, including the jury. I expect this cop to be convicted and spend time in prison.

 

[ilovewings]

IMO they won't be able to bring in Floyd's past history. What he did in the past was years ago and has nothing to do with how he behaved that night. More to the point, his history has nothing to do with what Chauvin did to him and that's who's going to be on trial.

We shall see but for sure the police will make Floyd into a

IMO they won't be able to bring in Floyd's past history. What he did in the past was years ago and has nothing to do with how he behaved that night. More to the point, his history has nothing to do with what Chauvin did to him and that's who's going to be on trial.

To Ensure Justice for George Floyd, Derek Chauvin Must Get a Fair Trial | New York Law Journal

When you read this you will see all the different ways the defense will try and poke holes in the prosecution case. It seems for example that some videos show him resisting arrest (it is said other videos show he was not resisting arrest): he had drugs in his system and he was trying to pass a counterfeit bill ( the defense will say he knew it was counterfeit): nothing is black and white, or cut and dried in a trial. There is a reason very few cops are actually convicted of murder.

 

[Rocco]

We shall see but for sure the police will make Floyd into a


To Ensure Justice for George Floyd, Derek Chauvin Must Get a Fair Trial | New York Law Journal

When you read this you will see all the different ways the defense will try and poke holes in the prosecution case. It seems for example that some videos show him resisting arrest (it is said other videos show he was not resisting arrest): he had drugs in his system and he was trying to pass a counterfeit bill ( the defense will say he knew it was counterfeit): nothing is black and white, or cut and dried in a trial. There is a reason very few cops are actually convicted of murder.

Probably the reason they're not usually convicted of murder is it's not as cut and dried as this case.

Trying to sully the character of George Floyd in front of the jury will backfire big time IMO

 

[ilovewings]

Probably the reason they're not usually convicted of murder is it's not as cut and dried as this case.

Trying to sully the character of George Floyd in front of the jury will backfire big time IMO

i think the cop will be convicted, but the defense will dirty up Mr Floyd pretty good

 

[sds71]

@Sifill_LDF
Minneapolis Police Chief Arradondo says on
@60Minutes
that the police union contract diminishes his authority and compels him to hire back half of the officers he fires.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

@Sifill_LDF
Minneapolis Police Chief Arradondo says on
@60Minutes
that the police union contract diminishes his authority and compels him to hire back half of the officers he fires.

Wow. That’s a serious problem.

 

[JerseyGirl]

@Sifill_LDF
Minneapolis Police Chief Arradondo says on
@60Minutes
that the police union contract diminishes his authority and compels him to hire back half of the officers he fires.

Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo: The 60 Minutes Interview

 

[Reasonable & Just]

Ramsey County corrections officers of color say they were barred from guarding Derek Chauvin

So there's the assumption that the darker-skinned officers won't be able to control themselves and perform their jobs without violent retribution. No institutional racism here .

 

[Boxer]

So they pulled him out of one cop car to put him into a second one? Have we seen the video of that?

He was in a private car.

 

[mickey2942]

Probably the reason they're not usually convicted of murder is it's not as cut and dried as this case.

Trying to sully the character of George Floyd in front of the jury will backfire big time IMO

That depends on the jury.

 

[tayaway]

Ramsey County corrections officers of color say they were barred from guarding Derek Chauvin

So there's the assumption that the darker-skinned officers won't be able to control themselves and perform their jobs without violent retribution. No institutional racism here .

It immediately brought to mind the Aryan Brotherhood. I wonder if the MSM will look into Steve Lydon, the demoted Super who made the order for only white staff to interact with DC.

 

[ilovewings]

@Sifill_LDF
Minneapolis Police Chief Arradondo says on
@60Minutes
that the police union contract diminishes his authority and compels him to hire back half of the officers he fires.

This is the reason the police departments cannot get rogue cops off the force: they are going to have to figure out how to deal with this instead of rolling over and letting the unions have their way.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Minneapolis police union leaders on the George Floyd video and systemic racism

The head of the Minneapolis police union, Lieutenant Bob Kroll and three fellow union leaders, Rich Walker Sr., Sherral Schmidt and Anna Hedberg, responded to comments made by Minneapolis police chief Medaria Arradondo and shared their first reaction to the video of former officer Dereck Chauvin pressing his knee into Floyd's neck for nearly eight minutes.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Campaign to disband Minneapolis Police Department raises $30Million, plans in works to redistribute funds

The groups say they were overwhelmed by the number of contributions and plan to redistribute 75 percent of the money to other community organizations and individuals.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Minneapolis brothers destroyed property inside Third Precinct police station, charges say

Two Minneapolis brothers broke into the Third Precinct police station and destroyed property after protesters breached the building and set it ablaze in late May, according to charges filed in Hennepin County District Court.

Rory A. Amsler, 29, and Trevor J. Amsler, 26, were each charged earlier June 8 with one count of second-degree burglary.

The charges say the Facebook live video show the Amslers walking on the second floor of the Third Precinct. Trevor Amsler allegedly damaged property and burglarized the office, while his brother videotaped the activities, the charges say.

The brothers were arrested June 5. Trevor Amsler was booked and released from the county jail after posting $40,000 bond. There is no record of Rory Amsler being booked into the county jail.

 

[Niner]

Former officers charged in George Floyd killing want court proceedings recorded, broadcast

June 26, 2020

In a highly unusual move, four former Minneapolis police officers charged in the Memorial Day killing of George Floyd want their pretrial and trial court proceedings recorded for public viewing.

Attorneys representing Derek Chauvin, J. Alexander Kueng, Thomas Lane and Tou Thao filed a motion late Thursday and made public Friday morning granting permission to film the proceedings regardless of objections from the prosecution.

"The Defendants argue that this relief is necessary to provide the Defendants with a fair trial in light of the State's and other governmental actors multiple inappropriate comments and to assure an open hearing in light of the ongoing pandemic," wrote Kueng's attorney, Thomas Plunkett, who filed the motion on behalf of the other defendants.

Plunkett wrote that prosecutors have been consulted but have not yet taken a stance on the matter.
[.....]
The four are due in court Monday [6/29] for their second appearance on charges ranging from second-degree murder to aiding and abetting murder.


The 3 at 9am & Chauvin @ 1:30pm

 

[Niner]

UPDATE: Judge denies motion to broadcast pre-trial proceedings in George Floyd murder trial

June 26, 2020
UPDATE: Friday, a judge denied a motion seeking to allow pre-trial proceedings in the case of George Floyd's murder to be recorded and broadcast.

The State objected to such coverage, according to the ruling by the judge. All four defendants indicated they did not object.

"Given that this is a case that has already received substantial pretrial media coverage, the Court finds that audio or video coverage of the pretrial hearings in this case would not only violate Gen. R. Prac. 4.02(d)(v), but would risk tainting a potential Hennepin County jury pool. In addition, not all parties consent, as required by the rule," District Court Judge Peter A. Cahill wrote.

Audio and visual recordings of the actual trial will be determined at a later time, according to Judge Cahill.

 

[branmuffin]

How the officers charged in George Floyd's death could get their jobs back