MN - George Floyd, unarmed man killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

[MsBetsy]

IDK, it's hard to tell what was happening. To me it looks like he popped out on the other side, but I'm not sure.

According to the police report they pulled him out of the car. Once they had him in the vehicle, all they had to do was close the door. He was already in handcuffs.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

I’m not completely up to date on all the facts here, but let’s say something happened that we are not seeing on video, and he tried to run or resist/flee arrest:

Isn’t that what tasers are for? To subdue an aggressive person so they can safely get them into custody?

Five cops and none of them had a taser gun? Any mention of this anywhere? Tia.

No argument to what you said, except to say that there were only Four cops, not five.

 

[MsBetsy]

Either that, or this is the resisting arrest they talked about. We'll know for sure after the autopsy by MB.

How will the autopsy show that he was resisting arrest?

We already know he was resisting because the police report states that when they tried to put him in the car, he fell to the ground, told them he was claustrophobic and he couldn't breathe. His resisting does not change the fact that the officers did not follow proper procedures and ended up killing him. They should have called for medical assistance before they even put him in the car instead of throwing him facedown in handcuffs.

 

[mickey2942]

What is getting ridiculous are these $20 million dollar settlements. I suggest that police officers are bonded for a million dollars, by a third party agency.

Then, we would not have police officers with 18 other infractions still working, because he would not have continued to be eligible for his bond. No bond, no job.

 

[CSIDreamer]

What is getting ridiculous are these $20 million dollar settlements. I suggest that police officers are bonded for a million dollars, by a third party agency.

Then, we would not have police officers with 18 other infractions still working, because he would not have continued to be eligible for his bond. No bond, no job.

Excellent idea! Jmo

 

[Gardenista]

According to the police report they pulled him out of the car. Once they had him in the vehicle, all they had to do was close the door. He was already in handcuffs.

Yes, we see them doing something to him on the right hand side of the car, but then it looks to me like he popped out on the left hand side.

 

[kaen]

What is getting ridiculous are these $20 million dollar settlements. I suggest that police officers are bonded for a million dollars, by a third party agency.

Then, we would not have police officers with 18 other infractions still working, because he would not have continued to be eligible for his bond. No bond, no job.

That is a great point. I have a liability insurance policy in my line of work. I have to prove my ongoing training, certify where I work and attest to any legal actions against me (though legal action and arrest records for me would be public and searchable). I would add that since this killer's record of complaints were always dismissed he would not have had to declare them to an insuring/bonding agency. Therefore, reform needs to happen in the complaint system with more transparency in order for the bond idea you had to work. He may have been cleared from a department perspective but if the complaints were ongoing, a bonding agent would need to have access to the complaint, the investigation and the outcome in order to refuse to bond him. Also, that wouldn't stop other bonding companies from taking him on.

 

[mickey2942]

That is a great point. I have a liability insurance policy in my line of work. I have to prove my ongoing training, certify where I work and attest to any legal actions against me (though legal action and arrest records for me would be public and searchable). I would add that since this killer's record of complaints were always dismissed he would not have had to declare them to an insuring/bonding agency. Therefore, reform needs to happen in the complaint system with more transparency in order for the bond idea you had to work. He may have been cleared from a department perspective but if the complaints were ongoing, a bonding agent would need to have access to the complaint, the investigation and the outcome in order to refuse to bond him. Also, that wouldn't stop other bonding companies from taking him on.

Yes, I am also bonded for my job. My employer pays for it. I would think that ongoing eligibility for a bond would be reviewed each year for officers, with any type of write up being part of the review.

And if the company would no longer bond officer, or his bond would be at a higher rate, the officer would have to pay for the difference.

Just a thought, that would add a layer of accountability and third party review. I don't even see how a union could find issues with this type of discussion.

But, that would have to be an institutional change. And institutional change for bureaucracies is slim to none. Which is too bad.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

The complaint said they had him, handcuffed, in the back of the car. Why did DC pull him out only later to kill him?

Check the media thread for this case, all the videos (five so far by my count) should be in that thread.

 

[Cubby]

When will we see the other three officers charged? In any other situation the three standing around would have already been charged as accomplices.

A single arrest is insufficient and a slap in the face to Mr. Floyd, his family and poc.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Yes, we see them doing something to him on the right hand side of the car, but then it looks to me like he popped out on the left hand side.

You might be right. We see the one officer dart around to the passenger side, then return to the driver side rear and shut the door. So if GF tried to get out, with 2 officers blocking his way, why didn't they just push him back in and close the door?

I think the answer might lie in DC getting pissed off, and deciding to drag GF out of the car to put him in a submissive hold until he showed respect. DC was angry and wanted to teach GF a lesson. This is further evidence of intent IMO, and evidence a higher charge is justified.

 

[mister happy]

NEW footage has emerged that appears to "show George Floyd struggling inside a cop car" shortly before he was pinned down and killed.

New video shows George Floyd 'struggling inside police car' before he died

Wow, it does look like they are beating the heck out of him! Three cops, one on either side of the vehicle blocking him in, while the same officer seems to be acting as "guard." There was no need to pull him out of the vehicle and throw him on the ground. When will the other officers be arrested?

It's unclear what's really happening in that video, but to me it doesn't look like they are beating George Floyd. Officer Kueng is at the left-side passenger door. It appears he's attempting to restrain Floyd by his lower body. Keep in mind that Floyd is Kobe Bryant's height (6"6 or 6"7).

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Same here. Deleted and no going back.

MOO: casual observation, people saying things like “violence and looting doesn’t help” isn’t helping the situation. It’s understood.

It would be nice if we could have one day where everyone could say “to the GF family, we are sorry for your loss, it was wrong. We feel your pain. We will support the family and LE to bring about changes needed that will help eliminate police brutality and racial profiling. To unite our communities and nation”

On the fundraiser sites they are doing (almost at $5.4 million between family members) they do list an address to send cards to. (cannot link due to TOS).

 

[MsBetsy]

Yes, we see them doing something to him on the right hand side of the car, but then it looks to me like he popped out on the left hand side.

I wonder if the officer used pepper spray, and Floyd was struggling to avoid it. I didn't see him pop out on the other side on his own, though. If he did, I'm not sure why the officers would say they pulled him out themselves.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

If he's in the back seat, it wouldn't seem his resisting arrest (if he did) was successful. Why not simply close the door, get in the driver seat, and head to the station?

A timeline in the future will help. When did bystanders call 911? When did police call 911. Right after the bloody nose (from inside the car?)

We've only heard of one 911 call that mentioned the bloody nose only, but yet I find hard to fathom that no one called.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think they only called EMS when GF stopped breathing and having a pulse. I suspect they will claim they pulled him out of the car because he was having a medical event, but then why didn't they call EMS immediately?

Yes, I want an overall timeline as we are getting pieces of one part today, which was the altercation in the backseat that was cut off.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I’m not completely up to date on all the facts here, but let’s say something happened that we are not seeing on video, and he tried to run or resist/flee arrest:

Isn’t that what tasers are for? To subdue an aggressive person so they can safely get them into custody?

Five cops and none of them had a taser gun? Any mention of this anywhere? Tia.

There are 5 different views so far in the media. (See media thread perhaps to catch up?)

No mention of any tasers. When he was taken to the patrol car, he did visibly sit down (aka resist) that was visible. Then a lag in videos. Much longer than that is the video that was original outside the car.

Then another video today which shows after they took him across the street they put him in the backseat (after he fell down not wanting to go in) and 2 cops on each side on the surveillance camera from a business ENDS... without continuing. I wish it was published in the entirety.

Five videos so far I have counted.

MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

It's unclear what's really happening in that video, but to me it doesn't look like they are beating George Floyd. Officer Kueng is at the left-side passenger door. It appears he's attempting to restrain Floyd by his lower body. Keep in mind that Floyd is Kobe Bryant's height (6"6 or 6"7).

Oh, I thought that was officer Thao, the one who was warding off the bystanders as Chauvin kneeled on Floyd's neck. He also has a history of using excessive force.

I didn't know they tried to restrain him by holding his legs until after they already had him on the ground. I guess I'll have to watch the video again. I didn't even see them pull him out of the car.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

IDK, it's hard to tell what was happening. To me it looks like he popped out on the other side, but I'm not sure.

I think we are on the same page, while we at WS wanna know (and perhaps have more experience in evaluating ) it DOES.NOT.MATTER in this case if he was resisting 10 minutes prior.

MOO

Bottom line, agree with you wanting to know all the facts. Yet, doesn't matter

MOO

 

[dixiegirl1035]

When this goes to trail I expect to see Mark Kroll called as a defense witness. Kroll specializes in what might be called pro police science. According to him positional asphyxia doesn’t exist.

Yes, the taser expert.
I wonder if he thinks the police should’ve used one.

Question: Has the family set up a WS approved site yet? For tracking this case. I just this moment realized that none of the normal criminal websites that we follow have set up one (the folks that do so are usually outta the country). On many cases, WS approves a family member site to refer to...just wondering.