MN - George Floyd, unarmed man killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

[GoBuckeyes]

You just know the defense is going to try and paint Mr. Floyd as out of control, resisting arrest and being very difficult -even if we believe and in fact know, it does not matter in this case. This is what criminal defense attorneys do. They will also use that first autopsy (Baden will be doing the 2nd autopsy) which states Mr. Floyd did not die from asphyxia- that will be huge-- I expect Dr. Baden to reach a different conclusion so the jury will have to decide who they believe. I worked in the field of medical malpractice for 40 years and reviewed thousands of records and autopsy reports. The cause of death stated by the medical examiner in this case is problematic as it basically states that the defendant's knee on the patient's neck contributed to his death, but was not the sole cause---

What are the causes listed as contributing factors? TIA

 

[momrids6]

The Minneapolis Police Department union intends on supporting Chauvin and the other police involved in the murder.

A 2007 lawsuit said the president of the Minneapolis police union wore a 'white power' patch on his motorcycle jacket and discriminated against officers of color

From the article:

"Earlier this week Kroll said that the union intends to support the officers involved.

"Now is not the time rush to judgment and immediately condemn our officers. An in-depth investigation is underway. Our officers are fully cooperating. We must review all video. We must wait for the medical examiner's report," Kroll said in a statement Tuesday. "Officers' actions and training protocol will be carefully examined after the officers have provided their statements."

The union president seems to be quite problematic himself - he didn't put his knee to George Floyd's neck, but he certainly helped to maintain a toxic culture within the force. Also, he's married to a prominent Minneapolis news anchor who has interviewed him on police brutality! The wife of the union president should not be commenting on police matters and he should not be interviewed by her imo.

Bob Kroll is married to WCCO's Liz Collin but doesn't want to talk about it | City Pages

Here's his the article profiling Kroll

Amid attention and controversy, Minneapolis police union head has no regrets

This is why many people are upset- backing the bad. Until they clean the house of the corrupt and the power tripping over reactive, there will be a problem

 

[KR72]

This is why many people are upset- backing the bad. Until they clean the house of the corrupt and the power tripping over reactive, there will be a problem

Yup, and he was elected by the members.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

You just know the defense is going to try and paint Mr. Floyd as out of control, resisting arrest and being very difficult -even if we believe and in fact know, it does not matter in this case. This is what criminal defense attorneys do. They will also use that first autopsy (Baden will be doing the 2nd autopsy) which states Mr. Floyd did not die from asphyxia- that will be huge-- I expect Dr. Baden to reach a different conclusion so the jury will have to decide who they believe. I worked in the field of medical malpractice for 40 years and reviewed thousands of records and autopsy reports. The cause of death stated by the medical examiner in this case is problematic as it basically states that the defendant's knee on the patient's neck contributed to his death, but was not the sole cause---

Most? of us here follow criminal cases, and are familiar with autopsy reports. This one was different, in that it didn't take into consideration the totality of all the police reports and video and body cams.

Almost ALL do such, but this one was just... body. Not taking into consideration at autopsy anything else.

Da**. I'm pissed but I just don't know what I will choose to do about it... That's an honest reaction as I've already been lambasted and blocked and critiqued about COVID views. ... so not many friends listening to me these day.

I'm with others... FB sucks during these times as you learn and are dissapointed in what you thought were "friends".

Chit... I may have no friends at all after all of this is over with my opinions.

I do need to stand up!

And they said knee was contributory, but did they state that they saw the bruising from such in the report? If not, why not. This is one secondary report I hope will glean....

 

[Sillybilly]

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think they only called EMS when GF stopped breathing and having a pulse. I suspect they will claim they pulled him out of the car because he was having a medical event, but then why didn't they call EMS immediately?

That won't work. It would be 100 times even more difficult to explain why Chauvin then kneeled on the neck of a man for X minutes when they thought he was having a medical event.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

If that's true, it shows that they knew he was in distress and in need of medical attention before the officer kneeled on his neck to render him unconscious.

My statement was whether 911 was called before or after he stopped breathing. And from the videos I've seen, yes... they did.

I need a timeline as to when they kneeled on him, but MOO was before 911.

OK... I've looked and I'm just not finding the media only/no discussion thread for this case. Can someone please link for me as I know this is a case that is going to go on for a few years and we're going to loose quotes etc as we all know how stuff goes "poof"

REQUEST: Please bump a media only thread for me as I cannot find, or perhaps create one if not done? TIA

 

[mister happy]

They may not like to, but they have, even inside of a vehicle. Chauvin was the one who used the pepper spray on the witnesses and I think he is the one who was was struggling with Floyd on the drivers side of the vehicle. Jmo

MsBetsy, I'm sure it was officer Kueng struggling with Floyd on the driver's side of the vehicle. Kueng's head is shaved and he has a short beard. Chauvin's head isn't shaved and he has no visible beard growth.

 

[MsBetsy]

MsBetsy, I'm sure it was officer Kueng struggling with Floyd on the driver's side of the vehicle. Kueng's head is shaved and he has a short beard. Chauvin's head isn't shaved and he has no visible beard growth.

Yes, I just read the report and it was Chauvin who pulled him out. It never states anywhere that he was ever inside the vehicle, just that they attempted to put him in the car, so it seems like there are some details missing.

I'm just wondering if Floyd was sprayed before they pulled him out, and why they needed to pull him out of the car and throw him on the ground in the first place.

If they used the pepper spray, it might explain why he was having difficulty breathing or why he was struggling while inside the vehicle.

 

[MsBetsy]

My statement was whether 911 was called before or after he stopped breathing. And from the videos I've seen, yes... they did.

I need a timeline as to when they kneeled on him, but MOO was before 911.

OK... I've looked and I'm just not finding the media only/no discussion thread for this case. Can someone please link for me as I know this is a case that is going to go on for a few years and we're going to loose quotes etc as we all know how stuff goes "poof"

REQUEST: Please bump a media only thread for me as I cannot find, or perhaps create one if not done? TIA

The only 911 call described in the Statement of Probable Cause was the one made by the employee in the store. It doesn't mention whether any of the officers called. Maybe one of the witnesses called for help?

 

[Cryptic]

So back to when they worked security at the same club. Has it been confirmed or? If they actually crossed paths before? I mean I work with people I don’t know at all but I’m at a huge university. Wouldn’t they have recognized each other? Sorry if it’s been discussed.

They worked at the same site, but for two different businesses.

DC worked security directly for the owners of the building ( latin night club )as an off duty police officer. GF worked security for a black oriented entertainment company that would rent the night club as a performance venue once a month or so.

When interviewed, a former partner in the ownership of the latin night club stated that she did not know GF and implied that when GF's employer rented the club as a venue, they used their own staff.

Off duty police as security are more expensive than fully private security. As a result, GF's smaller scale may not of been able to afford DC's services on the nights they rented the hall.

 

[tmar]

George Floyd’s brother says Trump ‘kept pushing me off’ during phone call


George Floyd’s brother says Trump ‘kept pushing me off’ during phone call

Martin Pengelly

4 hrs ago
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... Floyd’s brother, Philonise Floyd, the conversation did not go well, as he said Trump gave him little chance to express his views and appeared to have no interest in what he was trying to say.

“He didn’t give me an opportunity to even speak,” Floyd told MSNBC on Saturday. “It was hard. I was trying to talk to him, but he just kept, like, pushing me off, like ‘I don’t want to hear what you’re talking about.’

 

[CrimeDawg123]

George Floyd’s brother says Trump ‘kept pushing me off’ during phone call


George Floyd’s brother says Trump ‘kept pushing me off’ during phone call

Martin Pengelly

4 hrs ago
...

... Floyd’s brother, Philonise Floyd, the conversation did not go well, as he said Trump gave him little chance to express his views and appeared to have no interest in what he was trying to say.

“He didn’t give me an opportunity to even speak,” Floyd told MSNBC on Saturday. “It was hard. I was trying to talk to him, but he just kept, like, pushing me off, like ‘I don’t want to hear what you’re talking about.’

Disgusting

 

[tmar]

Chinese media use race clashes to criticise US over Hong Kong

Chinese media use race clashes to criticise US over Hong Kong

AFP
7 hrs ago
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"US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi once called the violent protests in Hong Kong 'a beautiful sight to behold.'... US politicians now can enjoy this sight from their own windows," Hu Xijin, editor-in-chief of nationalist tabloid Global Times, wrote Saturday.

 

[Charlot123]

You just know the defense is going to try and paint Mr. Floyd as out of control, resisting arrest and being very difficult -even if we believe and in fact know, it does not matter in this case. This is what criminal defense attorneys do. They will also use that first autopsy (Baden will be doing the 2nd autopsy) which states Mr. Floyd did not die from asphyxia- that will be huge-- I expect Dr. Baden to reach a different conclusion so the jury will have to decide who they believe. I worked in the field of medical malpractice for 40 years and reviewed thousands of records and autopsy reports. The cause of death stated by the medical examiner in this case is problematic as it basically states that the defendant's knee on the patient's neck contributed to his death, but was not the sole cause---

OK, supposedly it was not positional asphyxia. In short, they did not find the signs c/w asphyxia. Could be. But we have watched very disturbing videos, starting from a visibly normal, tall, muscular black man in no acute distress being led in handcuffs, and ending up with him being, obviously, quiet and not moving, with some fluid that has poured out of his nose/mouth - and the policeman still standing on his neck.
Between the input and the output, the person died.
And it could have been arrhythmia, it could have been trauma to his chest, pulmonary edema (possible given the fluid); it could be a stroke, a heart attack - nothing changes the input/output situation.
It is the same as Freddie Green’s case, Later people were alluding to the fact that he was not the perfect member of the society, and was resisting arrest - but nothing could change the fact that he was put into the police car healthy, and ended up with a broken neck and in a coma after the ride.
You don’t treat humans this way, period. Just stop it.

ETA: I looked at Chauvin - to me, he appeared in Floyd’s age group, tall, big, possibly enjoying drinking and very likely, having high blood pressure and hyperlipidemia. Exactly the same risk factors as Floyd. And now try to mentally flip the picture.

 

[Charlot123]

Yes, I just read the report and it was Chauvin who pulled him out. It never states anywhere that he was ever inside the vehicle, just that they attempted to put him in the car, so it seems like there are some details missing.

I'm just wondering if Floyd was sprayed before they pulled him out, and why they needed to pull him out of the car and throw him on the ground in the first place.

If they used the pepper spray, it might explain why he was having difficulty breathing or why he was struggling while inside the vehicle.

If they used pepper spray, it could have caused allergic reaction or asthma. And if it was in a car, 10 times worse. And then they were standing on him...

 

[mister happy]

But that's not the issue at hand as to his death.

So I would ask, Does it look like to you that three are on him for a long time after he was unresponsive? Do you think that is unclear as unnecessary force/wrongful death at the surface of such?

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dixiegirl1035, Today at 1:45 AM Report
#776 + Quote

I was only commenting in regards to that latest video. It's unclear what was actually happening inside the police vehicle. Simple as that. Anyhow, let's hope the body-cam footage gives us a complete picture.

 

[tresir2012]

I heard a pundit - lawyer on MSNBC say that she thinks they need a 2nd autopsy: this one is fishy to me. How did he not die from asphyxia???? the autopsy read like an ME that was trying to help out the defendant. could be wrong but that is the way i see it.

I think the prosecution should ask for a second independent autopsy from a different jurisdiction. MOO

 

[SkyBoomer]

Justine Damond's killer got 12 1/2 years in prison. Philandro Castile's murderer walked free after having been defended by the same man representing the officer who killed George Floyd.

Buildings can be rebuilt. Target will reopen. George Floyd will never breathe again. Sandra Bland. Tamir Rice. Trayvon Martin. Breonna Taylor. Philandro Castile. Eric Garner. Michael Brown. Ahmaud Aubery. Oscar Grant. Terrence Crutcher. Walter Scott. Samuel Dubois. Sean Reed. Steve Taylor. Terrance Franklin. Ariane Mccree. Stephon Clark. Devon Bailey. Chris Whitefield. Anthony Hall. Michael Dean. Tony McDade.

Maybe if Justine Damond's family and community had felt the crushing weight of systematic discrimination bearing down on them, of the fear for every one of their family members that justice would never come, the knowledge that so many women like her had been murdered on camera and their killers walked free- just maybe they'd have felt like burning something down too.

*edit apparently my autocorrect doesn't know the word "floyd" and it's five in the morning and i've been making croutons for six hours because i'm too stressed and sad and angry to sleep

I seldom comment but this post deserves more than a “like”.

Thank you.

 

[tmar]

Another member of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), Professor Peter Horby, warned: ”Returning to a situation where we have lost control again is far worse than another week or two of social measures.”

Around 40% of Switzerland's COVID-19 intensive care patients were under 60 years old, according to a new report

Darcy Schild
3 hrs ago
...

• Around 40% of coronavirus patients in intensive care in Switzerland were under 60 years old, according to the Swiss Society of Intensive Care Medicine in results published on Saturday by Swiss media network SRF.
• The report showed that of the country's ICU patients under 60, more than a third did not have "relevant pre-existing conditions."
• COVID-19 patients under 60 in intensive care in Switzerland were more likely to survive than older age groups also in intensive care, the report concluded.
• Switzerland has reported a total of 30,845 COVID-19 cases, according to Johns Hopkins University.

...
Switzerland has reported a total of 30,845 COVID-19 cases and 1,919 deaths at the time of writing, according to Johns Hopkins University's Coronavirus Resource Centre.

 

[Charlot123]

Very interesting article.
Perhaps the “group” mentality of the police stems from very specific situations. Maybe they are afraid to intervene?

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