MN - George Floyd, unarmed man killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

[CrimeDawg123]

So many people posting angry rants on facebook about the riots that have never been angry on facebook about murders by police and absent oversight and accountability of police.

Why I quit FB, just couldn't take it anymore.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

CNN says it’s footage from the CUPS STORE
Video shows moments before George Floyd was pinned to the ground - CNN Video

The complaint said they had him, handcuffed, in the back of the car. Why did DC pull him out only later to kill him?

 

[MsBetsy]

NEW footage has emerged that appears to "show George Floyd struggling inside a cop car" shortly before he was pinned down and killed.

New video shows George Floyd 'struggling inside police car' before he died

Wow, it does look like they are beating the heck out of him! Three cops, one on either side of the vehicle blocking him in, while the same officer seems to be acting as "guard." There was no need to pull him out of the vehicle and throw him on the ground. When will the other officers be arrested?

 

[kay74]

This is not protesting! This is criminal. Evil beyond belief.

 

[Gardenista]

Wow, it does look like they are beating the heck out of him! Three cops, one on either side of the vehicle blocking him in, while the same officer seems to be acting as "guard." There was no need to pull him out of the vehicle and throw him on the ground. When will the other officers be arrested?

Either that, or this is the resisting arrest they talked about. We'll know for sure after the autopsy by MB.

 

[Cryptic]

What's weird is usually a clerk will check a suspicious bill before accepting it. Why did the clerk accept it then call police. Also how did LE know it wasn't a bill the GF got as change somewhere else and he innocently passed it?

It just seems weird to me.

GF might have just walked out with out the bill after they scrutinized it.

I knew a store owner once in a rougher area that kept a display of trophy counterfeit bills ranging in quality from horrible to very good. The best one was printed from a real bill of lesser denomination so that it would have some genuine security features and pass tests with marker pens etc.

Anyways....

My friend told me that counterfeiters would offer the bill, then walk out if the owner or clerk started to examine it closely and they thought that it would be identified. Some of the bills left behind were later clipped and placed on the trophy board.

A certain number of people passing bad bills do so systematically. They go to many stores in a day making small purchases with counterfeit bills to collect the change in real bills. The purchased snacks are just a small bonus.

Apparently, some left the area quickly after having a bill scrutinized. But.... others with the temptation to pass as many bills as possible and there being a number of small, easy to leave stores in the area, did not go very far. Thus, they were still in the area when the police were called.

 

[Cryptic]

I wonder if Chauvin has any MMA training, or Jujitsu training? This is not an approved police procedure. This is more in alignment with military training. Is Chauvin a veteran? Does he have military service?

I would say MMA training rather than military.

There is a wide world of difference between being able to successfully and quickly implement submission holds in a classroom environment and being able to do so in the field.

Bridging that world of difference requires a lot of practice mixed with a good dose of innate athletic ability and eye / hand coordination.

Very few military personnel would receive this amount of practice- I think most would not receive any training at all in submission holds.

Rather, training and especially systematic practice in submission techniques are, in all probability, restricted to Special Forces units. Statistically, it is unlikely that Chauvin was in such a unit.

 

[Medstudies]

Why I quit FB, just couldn't take it anymore.

Same here. Deleted and no going back.

MOO: casual observation, people saying things like “violence and looting doesn’t help” isn’t helping the situation. It’s understood.

It would be nice if we could have one day where everyone could say “to the GF family, we are sorry for your loss, it was wrong. We feel your pain. We will support the family and LE to bring about changes needed that will help eliminate police brutality and racial profiling. To unite our communities and nation”

 

[kaen]

In the new video of Mr. Floyd in the car with the three officers on either side and the car rocking, whether he was resisting, having a panic attack, or they were beating him is a red herring to me. When he emerged out of the car, went stiff and went down on the ground, there is no evidence that he was doing anything that can be construed as resisting or had them in fear of their lives/safety. There were three of them on him. One had their knee with their full body weight on his neck. If he was having a medical event, it was a failure of care and exacerbated his issues by constricting his lungs. If he had been resisting, he was no longer resisting, was handcuffed and clearly under their control. The murderous act begins after he is on the ground at which point he was defenseless, and under their control. They were using excessive force given the situation. They knew that leaving him in a prone position was dangerous based on police training--even one of them suggested placing him on his side.

Ultimately the body cam footage will be released and show us what happened in the car. The warrant refers to resistance to be placed in the car so I would imagine their is video evidence of such. Regardless, Mr. Floyd was killed by monsters employed by the MPD who were acting with disregard for his health and safety. As is usual, the dissection of the incident will begin to allow people to "justify" or "relate mitigating circumstances" to lessen the weight of the barbaric behavior of these killers. It is a cycle that many PoC experience all the time-- heat of the moment and all that rot.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Either that, or this is the resisting arrest they talked about. We'll know for sure after the autopsy by MB.

If he's in the back seat, it wouldn't seem his resisting arrest (if he did) was successful. Why not simply close the door, get in the driver seat, and head to the station?

 

[sds71]

This NLETC bulletin presents information relevant to positional asphyxia—i.e., death as a result of body position that interferes with one’s ability to breathe— as it occurs within a confrontational situation involving law enforcement officers. We offer this information to help officers recognize factors contributing to this phenomenon and, therefore, enable them to respond in a way that will ensure the subject’s safety and minimize risk of death:
As soon as the subject is handcuffed, get him off his stomach. Turn him on his side or place him in a seated position.
If he continues to struggle, do not sit on his back. Hold his legs down or wrap his legs with a strap.
Never tie the handcuffs to a leg or ankle restraint.
If required, get the suspect immediate medical attention.
Do not lay the person on his stomach during transport to a station house or hospital. Instead, place him in a seated position.
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/posasph.pdf

 

[CrimeDawg123]

In the new video of Mr. Floyd in the car with the three officers on either side and the car rocking, whether he was resisting, having a panic attack, or they were beating him is a red herring to me. When he emerged out of the car, went stiff and went down on the ground, there is no evidence that he was doing anything that can be construed as resisting or had them in fear of their lives/safety. There were three of them on him. One had their knee with their full body weight on his neck. If he was having a medical event, it was a failure of care and exacerbated his issues by constricting his lungs. If he had been resisting, he was no longer resisting, was handcuffed and clearly under their control. The murderous act begins after he is on the ground at which point he was defenseless, and under their control. They were using excessive force given the situation. They knew that leaving him in a prone position was dangerous based on police training--even one of them suggested placing him on his side.

Ultimately the body cam footage will be released and show us what happened in the car. The warrant refers to resistance to be placed in the car so I would imagine their is video evidence of such. Regardless, Mr. Floyd was killed by monsters employed by the MPD who were acting with disregard for his health and safety. As is usual, the dissection of the incident will begin to allow people to "justify" or "relate mitigating circumstances" to lessen the weight of the barbaric behavior of these killers. It is a cycle that many PoC experience all the time-- heat of the moment and all that rot.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think they only called EMS when GF stopped breathing and having a pulse. I suspect they will claim they pulled him out of the car because he was having a medical event, but then why didn't they call EMS immediately?

 

[margarita25]

The complaint said they had him, handcuffed, in the back of the car. Why did DC pull him out only later to kill him?

I’m not completely up to date on all the facts here, but let’s say something happened that we are not seeing on video, and he tried to run or resist/flee arrest:

Isn’t that what tasers are for? To subdue an aggressive person so they can safely get them into custody?

Five cops and none of them had a taser gun? Any mention of this anywhere? Tia.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Houston Chronicle this morning

Colin Kaepernick and George Floyd: Two knees, two reactions, one issue

 

[steeltowngirl]

Genesee County Sheriff Chris Swanson took his helmet off and put his baton on the ground as a sign of peace.

Swanson and other Flint-area police officers ultimately joined the march, which continued back past the Genesee Valley Mall onto Miller Road to the Target parking lot.

“This is the way it’s supposed to be — the police working with the community,” Swanson said. “When we see injustice, we call it out on the police side and on the community side. All we had to do was talk to them, and now we’re walking with them. ... The cops in this community, we condemn what happened. That guy (Chauvin) is not one of us."

Flint-area police join protesters marching to seek justice for George Floyd

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Genesee County Sheriff Chris Swanson took his helmet off and put his baton on the ground as a sign of peace.

Swanson and other Flint-area police officers ultimately joined the march, which continued back past the Genesee Valley Mall onto Miller Road to the Target parking lot.

“This is the way it’s supposed to be — the police working with the community,” Swanson said. “When we see injustice, we call it out on the police side and on the community side. All we had to do was talk to them, and now we’re walking with them. ... The cops in this community, we condemn what happened. That guy (Chauvin) is not one of us."

Flint-area police join protesters marching to seek justice for George Floyd

My heart really goes out to all of the decent, honorable, and compassionate police officers right now.

 

[Gardenista]

If he's in the back seat, it wouldn't seem his resisting arrest (if he did) was successful. Why not simply close the door, get in the driver seat, and head to the station?

IDK, it's hard to tell what was happening. To me it looks like he popped out on the other side, but I'm not sure.

 

[Footwarrior]

This NLETC bulletin presents information relevant to positional asphyxia—i.e., death as a result of body position that interferes with one’s ability to breathe— as it occurs within a confrontational situation involving law enforcement officers. We offer this information to help officers recognize factors contributing to this phenomenon and, therefore, enable them to respond in a way that will ensure the subject’s safety and minimize risk of death:
As soon as the subject is handcuffed, get him off his stomach. Turn him on his side or place him in a seated position.
If he continues to struggle, do not sit on his back. Hold his legs down or wrap his legs with a strap.
Never tie the handcuffs to a leg or ankle restraint.
If required, get the suspect immediate medical attention.
Do not lay the person on his stomach during transport to a station house or hospital. Instead, place him in a seated position.
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/posasph.pdf

When this goes to trail I expect to see Mark Kroll called as a defense witness. Kroll specializes in what might be called pro police science. According to him positional asphyxia doesn’t exist.

 

[sds71]

When this goes to trail I expect to see Mark Kroll called as a defense witness. Kroll specializes in what might be called pro police science. According to him positional asphyxia doesn’t exist.

Yes, the taser expert.
I wonder if he thinks the police should’ve used one.

 

[kaen]

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think they only called EMS when GF stopped breathing and having a pulse. I suspect they will claim they pulled him out of the car because he was having a medical event, but then why didn't they call EMS immediately?

You are right. They called minutes after they found no pulse on his wrist. They failed to check his carotid artery because the knee was on the neck.

They had their body cams on (IIRC) so we will know what transpired. If he was having a panic attack, I could see that he was uncooperative. He was no threat at that point as he was handcuffed. He was a tall man 6ft 6in and would not easily fit into the back seat of an SUV. I am sure there was a fit issue. (I know people who are 6ft 2in who struggle in full size SUVs especially if the person is long torso/shorter legs.)

Within their training, any kind of medical event would not have supported kneeling on his neck, back and legs. This kind of control maneuver is done when some is resisting and not under control. There are videos of people being controlled in this way on the internet, some are on drugs like PCP or Meth where the people are out of their minds, but it is always violent and difficult to watch. JMHO