MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #13

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That is exactly why it hasn't gone to trial. I am sure that you would also be curious as to all of the items that law enforcement too into custody from the DR farm. YOu know, there is the blood stained trunk, the umbrella stand and various other items that DR could not recall during the interview with the news guy. Wouldn't you like to know what those items were and why they are still in custody of Stearns County? While I do feel that based on all of the information that we have that DR is guilty of the disappearance and likely murder of Jacob Wetterling, I have an open mind for any real evidence that points elsewhere. I see that you are so entrenched in the idea that Dan Rassier is innocent that you will not even speculate on ANY of the suspicious behavior or actions/non-actions of the named person of interest. I find that strange.


Why do you think Dan Rassier is not guilty of the abduction of Jacob Wetterling? I challenge you to change my mind.

I was simply stating there there is no available evidence that proves DR is guilty. Items of interest are just that. They have not yet linked any items to the abduction. There have been articles stating just that after the 2010 dig.

I am not "so entrenched in the idea that DR is innocent...," and with all due respect, I really don't appreciate that comment/accusation. I prefer to stick to the facts rather than make assumptions based on one's behavior. I truly believe in innocent until proven guilty. I didn't realize that would be such an issue. Provide proof/physical evidence that he was involved in the abduction and I will be just as relieved as everyone else when he is charged.

I am not going to "challenge" anyone to anything. Believe what you want to believe.
 
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Without singling anyone out, I wish to God people would let go of their egos and all come together to work to put the pieces of this mystery in place.

In general, I feel as though people on this board and LE have been upset with bloggers and outsiders who try and make an effort to join the fragmented pieces. There's no plagiarism or glory or dueling challenges. It is about finding out what happened to Jacob Wetterling and working together to do so.
 
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I was simply stating there there is no available evidence that proves DR is guilty. Items of interest are just that. They have not yet linked any items to the abduction. There have been articles stating just that after the 2010 dig.

I am not "so entrenched in the idea that DR is innocent...," and with all due respect, I really don't appreciate that comment/accusation. I prefer to stick to the facts rather than make assumptions based on one's behavior. I truly believe in innocent until proven guilty. I didn't realize that would be such an issue. Provide proof/physical evidence that he was involved in the abduction and I will be just as relieved as everyone else when he is charged.

I am not going to "challenge" anyone to anything. Believe what you want to believe.


What is your theory of who took Jacob Wetterling away from his family forever? And Why? And where is he now in your opinion? Let's sleuth this out together.
 
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I don't think DR is the perp. because that would just be way too obvious. But, if he were, what would he have done with Jacob? I can't believe he smuggled Jacob away in an instrument box the very next morning after the abduction. I don't believe he would bury Jacob on his own property!! If DR is the perp., where is Jacob?

I don't think this crime will be solved until/unless someone finds Jacob. If someone can figure that out, the perp. would be identified.
 
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What is your theory of who took Jacob Wetterling away from his family forever? And Why? And where is he now in your opinion? Let's sleuth this out together.

I don't have much of a theory about who took him or why. I'm still stuck on the prints and the tracks in the driveway. This makes me believe that he was taken by vehicle. If he was taken by vehicle, he could be anywhere.
 
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That's funny, it seems to me there are a few people who will not even question any evidence of DR's guilt no matter how compelling. People who do not even question DR's odd behavior or statements no matter how bizzare or self incriminating. I have an open mind for any evidence that does not point to Dan Rassier. So far, I haven't seen any.

And it is curious to me that people are not so wondering what kinds of things have been brought forward by LE to get to the point of identifying a POI.

To believe all of the agencies invovlved are incompetent is hard to swallow. Especially knowing the caliber of people who are in a lot of these jobs. Idiots they are not
 
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Here's my theory for the time being: There was a man who had a sexual desire for boys of a certain age-- very young teens to be specific. The vast majority of the time he was able to "manage" these feelings, probably via other means (use your imagination.) But he had a problem. When he imbibed, his inhibitions decreased and his sense of confidence increased such that on a few occasions, he sought out and succeeded in fulfilling his desires. How did he do this? Well, he was more than likely in a position to observe kids in this age range on a regular basis. He probably felt attracted to a certain type of young man and fantasized about how he would abduct and molest a boy. I imagine it's possible this person alternated between feeling in control of his lust and then feeling like consequences be damned (i.e. when drinking perhaps). He may also have loathed himself for these thoughts as well, which would have added to his need to self medicate with alcohol or ?. Meanwhile, he watches his potential interests and may well have interacted with them, but not so much that he had a real relationship with them. What did Jacob and Jared have in common, besides being close in age and appearance? What activities might they have participated in within the community that may have brought them into contact with this man? They both described a "raspy voiced" man. Did Jared describe the man as having a "pot belly?" People who regularly overindulge may have this physical attribute, often referred to as a "beer belly." But, just having a less than perfect shape does not mean the perpetrator wasn't active. Many people who enjoy sports and other physical activities can have the issue of overindulging -- and the physique is affected, especially the older one gets. Other thoughts -- who needs to "get to an appt. at the Red Carpet club?" Someone who is applying for a position as a DJ perhaps? Who applies for that kind of position, what kind of background might they have? What kind of clientele does the Red Carpet Club attract? Did they ever feature nights for gay customers? Did/does the club attract a younger clientele? Would this venue offer the perp an opportunity to at least be around younger men? Working at a club, he might also be able to have a few drinks during his breaks. What other "appointment" might it have been if not a DJ gig or job interview? How thoroughly were employees at the Red Carpet checked out? Can dots be connected between someone who was frequently around younger boys, whether in a coaching or teaching or some other capacity, and the Red Carpet club? Is there someone with a noticeably raspy voice who might fit the description of the forensic sketch of the man wearing the baseball cap? This person spoke to Jared in a way that indicated he may have had experience interfacing with young people, (i.e. it's okay to talk about this), but on the other hand, "do you recognize me?" As has been mentioned, maybe Jacob's answer was yes, I've seen you at ______ , or, "I think I've seen you at ________). Remember Jacob's Dad saying he felt a disturbing feeling at the hockey rink, so much so that he began scouring the area until he saw his son? To me that is rather striking. What dots might LE and the FBI have connected? Would there be a reason why they found someone who was at the center of the puzzle pieces but were unable to charge him for lack of adequate evidence? Where did this possible suspect go? Has this person now been lost to time and if so, why? Because he is not guilty or because he's the one that got away? If you wanted to get out of dodge and away from the scene of the crime, what would you do? Would you make every effort to eliminate as many clues about yourself as possible? Did the sexual assaults on young boys in the area decrease after Jacob Wetterling was taken? Perhaps that was the pivotal event for this possible suspect -- from there, he might have had to slowly but surely slink his way out of that area, but not before having a plan and making sure everyone knew he had good reasons for leaving a place where he lived for so long. "Guess what guys, I'm leaving because I've got this new gig I'll be doing in ____________." And who knows, perhaps the perp eventually returned to a location in or near his old stomping ground once the heat died down. By this time he would be much older -- too old to exert himself mentally and physically to target and abduct young boys. Or he decided it wasn't worth the risk anymore, and might find satisfaction via the internet. Are these crimes connected? Raspy voice, do you know me (or mask on face so you can't see me), within a fifty mile radius (I think), boys close to same age and same "look." And I wonder, did Jared ever see those early suspects? No I don't think so. What if I took a face and put a baseball cap on it and animated with the same kind of raspy voice, then I connected all the aforementioned dots, and asked the Wetterlings if they had ever seen this man and Jared whether he looked like that perpetrator from so long ago? I am already setting aside money in order to purchase ELOC's book and be able to donate copies to libraries in the community. If nothing else, someone may still be there that reads this book and has this "ah ha" moment. And this person might able to provide that additional critical piece to the puzzle that confirms what might have already been suspected so long ago. The long passage of time would not be able to vanquish the power of truth in all its glory.
 
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In the Hunt Joy and Jared made it sound like they know who assaulted Jared. What ever became of that?

I think that whoever took Jacob is either far away, dead, or locked up. Maybe in Moose Lake? I think when the book comes out we will have more suspects and know more about those that have already been discussed. I think that if they were a suspect and interrogated by the police, but not cleared, we should be able to discuss them. ? Or not?


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I think that the person Phantom describes did Jared

But Jacob, no.

Another way of dealing with issues is to be compulsive. As in running, for instance.

It is thought that women who hoard animals have been sexually abused. Women who overeat to morbid amounts have usually been sexually abused.

So there are other ways besides drugs and alcohol to deal with issues.

The thing that bothers me is that Jacob is a real child. Real people's lives have been torn apart.

This is not a puzzle or a popularity contest.
 
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In the Hunt Joy and Jared made it sound like they know who assaulted Jared. What ever became of that?

I think that whoever took Jacob is either far away, dead, or locked up. Maybe in Moose Lake? I think when the book comes out we will have more suspects and know more about those that have already been discussed. I think that if they were a suspect and interrogated by the police, but not cleared, we should be able to discuss them. ? Or not?


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Do you mean someone other than DAH?

There are tons of molesters out there that we do not know about. Charges are dropped. They are not Level Three so there is no community announcement.

I was called to serve on a jury and the case was settled before the trial started.

We had to fill out a form because the crime was a sexual assault of a child. I had never heard of the guy.

There are so many walking among us that it is astounding.
 
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I will attempt to answer why I believe DR is not guilty. Please remember I have followed the case since 1989.

I feel Stearns Co is keeping the items to save face, especially in light of the 2010 fiasco. IMO with today's technology there would have been some evidence linking DR to the abduction. DR has explained the trunk, stored in the barn, was in the family for years. Certainly, JW's blood would have been obvious, especially if, using the terms "blood stained."

IMO DR's lack of criminal record, his status, the high regard his students have for him, plus no evidence of interaction with a minor speaks volumes. This happened at the end of his driveway. Let us also remember Kevin was present. Do we really know enough about Kevin? Let us also remember that, at least, it was 15 + minutes until LE arrived on the scene. At lot can happen in that time.

Supposedly, there was no vehicle involved. I'm not really certain that is true. A vehicle would not have had to even been on the same road; it could have been parked elsewhere. Putting myself in the position of an abductor, I would not park on a street or in a driveway where I was going to commit a crime. There were also party areas nearby - not much has been made of them.

You speak of real evidence that points elsewhere, but where is real legal evidence that points to DR? If there were legal evidence, DR would have been charged.

Trino you have put words to a lot of my thoughts. I agree with all you have said. I don't discount DR completely but with all the advances in forensic science if he could have been linked by now he would have been. There are so many things we have no way of knowing about that night. If we ever find out what really happened we might find out just how many 'unbelievable' things really occurred in that sequence of events. For instance i think there was probably a car, many have questioned why someone would take the risk of parking down a residents driveway when he could have been discovered, but there wasn't much time to consider all possibilities so he took the risk. It paid off. What about other child abductors who grab a child where there is a risk of being seen (Amber Hagerman, Morgan Nick etc). they took a risk and it paid off for them. They got away with it. I only hope that we, and more importantly, the Wetterlings find out what did happen.
 
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I personally believe that the perp was in a car parked somewhere on the way down towards the Tom Thumb, saw the boys pass, took the chance they would head back the same way. Drove up the road to the darkest part and parked in DRs driveway (possibly thinking it was just a rough road somewhere as he may not have been far enough round the bend to see the farm) and waited. If the boys didn't come back along no problem for him, it was worth a try but unfortuately of course, they did. As to who did it i really don't know, maybe one of the already discussed suspects or maybe somebody we have no idea exists.
 
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Forgive the morbidity of this question, but how confident are people (esp locals) that the area was throughly searched for remains?

I know there were loads of searches, but I can't help but wonder if there was some type of confirmation bias when searching -i.e. people were desperately searching for clues (tracks, clothing, etc) instead of remains

I understand that various fire pits at the Abby won't count here, but I can't help but wonder if those "party areas" and surrounding woods could hold a clue today?

Just a thought- especially given the Caylee Anthrony case where the area had been searched but the remains were only haphazardly found months later
 
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Most extensive search in Minnesota history. You had the FBI and BCA involved in hours.
 
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Forgive the morbidity of this question, but how confident are people (esp locals) that the area was throughly searched for remains?

I know there were loads of searches, but I can't help but wonder if there was some type of confirmation bias when searching -i.e. people were desperately searching for clues (tracks, clothing, etc) instead of remains

I understand that various fire pits at the Abby won't count here, but I can't help but wonder if those "party areas" and surrounding woods could hold a clue today?

Just a thought- especially given the Caylee Anthrony case where the area had been searched but the remains were only haphazardly found months later

It was very thorough. They had national guard in there also. I posted further back how my friend who lived in St. Joe said he went on a search and they walked next to each other through miles of brush, swampy areas, farms, etc. They went as far as Mills Fleet Farm to the East - which is about 6 miles from St. Joe (approx. - I'm guessing on the mileage), and all the way south to the next town. A triangular area between Cold Spring, Richmond, and St. Joe was also searched - that was more to the West. People were also asked to search their own farms and/or properties. And they searched again that next Spring, and again in Fall of 1990. They also searched homes near the abduction site many, many times.
 
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Does anyone think Jacob was driven out of the area and deposited elsewhere? I have no basis for this, but I feel he might have been hidden in the county area by a local who knew a hidden spot. Incoming random thought -- do you remember when Chandra Levy went missing and the police and search dogs combed Rock Creek Park with no results, only to have a "mushroom hunter"find her remains a year later very near the area where LE and dogs had searched? I often wonder how frequently that happens.
 
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Does anyone think Jacob was driven out of the area and deposited elsewhere? I have no basis for this, but I feel he might have been hidden in the county area by a local who knew a hidden spot. Incoming random thought -- do you remember when Chandra Levy went missing and the police and search dogs combed Rock Creek Park with no results, only to have a "mushroom hunter"find her remains a year later very near the area where LE and dogs had searched? I often wonder how frequently that happens.

You know what I think, I think DR withheld the most critical evidence until two investigators crunched him about the facts in the principals office the next day. I think kevin waited 15 years too long to come forward. I think I want both of these storys explained in full with infinitely answered questions.
 
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Does anyone think Jacob was driven out of the area and deposited elsewhere? I have no basis for this, but I feel he might have been hidden in the county area by a local who knew a hidden spot. Incoming random thought -- do you remember when Chandra Levy went missing and the police and search dogs combed Rock Creek Park with no results, only to have a "mushroom hunter"find her remains a year later very near the area where LE and dogs had searched? I often wonder how frequently that happens.

I've sometimes wondered - IF the two cases were related (which I'm not sure of at all) - and if Jacob did not survive (I hate typing that) - if he might have been left in a quarry or small pond near where Jared was assaulted. When you look at google maps along Hwy. 23 between Cold Spring and Richmond there are a lot of old quarries (we mine a lot of granite in MN) and small swamps, ponds, mudholes, etc. where a body could have been left and never discovered.

However, I am an eternal optimist, and believe Jacob may still be alive somewhere. At least, I hope so. Patty and Jerry don't sense that he has died, and parents usually sense these things. I hope they're right.
 
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I hope he was someone's replacement son in a closed community in Canada. Otherwise, there are some fates worse than death.
 
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I've sometimes wondered - IF the two cases were related (which I'm not sure of at all) - and if Jacob did not survive (I hate typing that) - if he might have been left in a quarry or small pond near where Jared was assaulted. When you look at google maps along Hwy. 23 between Cold Spring and Richmond there are a lot of old quarries (we mine a lot of granite in MN) and small swamps, ponds, mudholes, etc. where a body could have been left and never discovered.

However, I am an eternal optimist, and believe Jacob may still be alive somewhere. At least, I hope so. Patty and Jerry don't sense that he has died, and parents usually sense these things. I hope they're right.

OR, that "dump site" on the kraemer property near where Jared was released?
 
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