MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #15

[Trackergd]

LE said they were able to capture at least one of Jacobs footprints. I would assume that LE trampled over the rest, which resulted in losing the perp prints altogether. I think an entire vehicle and its tracks were missed as well.

One of the previously posted pictures shows two plaster casts in vehicle tracks and one other I assume to be Jacobs.

Correct me if I am in error, but it appears to me the boys were accosted near the main road and the depression where the bikes were found. I have seen nothing that explains how Jacobs print ends up in the driveway with no prints (that have been reported) between the two points, and why up the driveway and sideways to the direction of the driveway. It is possible the abductor picked Jacob up and carried him to the point the print appears, but the question is why? Was he set down for a second to get a better grip on him or was he being put in a vehicle?

 

[Trino]

http://www.aol.com/article/2015/04/...maing-grid7|maing15|dl1|sec1_lnk2&pLid=646289

Just read this about the FBI forensics. And, why does LE have DR's property? Are we to believe anything forensics has?

 

[Ifollowthis]

One of the previously posted pictures shows two plaster casts in vehicle tracks and one other I assume to be Jacobs.

Correct me if I am in error, but it appears to me the boys were accosted near the main road and the depression where the bikes were found. I have seen nothing that explains how Jacobs print ends up in the driveway with no prints (that have been reported) between the two points, and why up the driveway and sideways to the direction of the driveway. It is possible the abductor picked Jacob up and carried him to the point the print appears, but the question is why? Was he set down for a second to get a better grip on him or was he being put in a vehicle?

My guess has always been he was carried and put in a vehicle and LE see another set of tracks besides Kevin's.
The tracks go up the driveway but they see it leave and after Kevin came forward his vehicle was ruled out the other tracks had reason to be there because the tracks belonged to some vehicle on that farm or that was visiting and that is when they started looking seriously at DR.

 

[Sasquatch321]

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DR says after he searched the buildings on the farm property and returned to the farmhouse, law enforcement was everywhere.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/0...ing-abduction/
There seems to be a discrepancy here between 2 reports of this incident...

In the interview Esme Murphy quoted DR:
"Rassier says after he searched the buildings on the farm property and returned to the farmhouse, law enforcement was everywhere".

In Joy's blog 'Dan's Story' Joy quotes DR:
"He heads down the road/driveway and searches the outbuildings. Every one of them. You would think there would be cops everywhere, but Dan said there were not. A helicopter was searching the woods and fields around his house, but as far as he knows, there were no cops who came down into the yard all night...just the few up by the woodpile earlier."

IMO, that is where the confusion in stories comes from. Not sure which version is correct, since they were both quoting DR?

DID ANYONE EVER ADDRESS THESE INCONSISTENCIES?

No and whoever did deserves praise. In fact I would like to know if LE has observed those quotes. You never know when a group of amateur sleuths can make a new discovery, it may have just happened.

 

[Jwu]

Longtime lurker and only recently starting to post on WS. I've read all the threads and followed this case closely over the last couple of years. I guess growing up in MN and especially being the same age as Jacob, it's just always held a special place in my heart. I don't have a strong opinion of who did it, but I did order and read ELOC's book and really enjoyed learning so many new things. You all have done a great job of going over everything and keeping Jacob's case in the forefront here. Guess I just wanted to stop in and say hello.

 

[Sasquatch321]

Longtime lurker and only recently starting to post on WS. I've read all the threads and followed this case closely over the last couple of years. I guess growing up in MN and especially being the same age as Jacob, it's just always held a special place in my heart. I don't have a strong opinion of who did it, but I did order and read ELOC's book and really enjoyed learning so many new things. You all have done a great job of going over everything and keeping Jacob's case in the forefront here. Guess I just wanted to stop in and say hello.

Welcome to the discussion and thank you for your kind words. I think when people see and learn about Jacob they see a friend. They see someone pure at heart, but taken from his family by a pure evil. Jacob doesn't want the suffering, pain, anxiety of what happened. He does want to be found, he does want help for his abductor. Jacob, like us, just need to know why.

 

[Jewelia]

http://www.aol.com/article/2015/04/...maing-grid7|maing15|dl1|sec1_lnk2&pLid=646289

Just read this about the FBI forensics. And, why does LE have DR's property? Are we to believe anything forensics has?

I'm thinking the FBI and forensics needs to rethink this method! UGH!


1. I would think that, by now, they would have had time to examine/analyze what was taken from the house and farm. This alleged "evidence" was taken from the property 5 years ago.

2. Why would "The Hunt", from CNN, come out featuring the JW abduction, and ask that anyone with any potential leads or suspects in mind, to call the SCSO, or NCMEC, if the alleged "evidence" from the DR property had any merit to it?

3. It's been alleged that the crime scene was contaminated, and not just by Kevin's tire tracks.

4. It's alleged DR had a "friend" who is a convicted pedophile, which could mean DR is a pedophile. This is not something that is based on facts. Do we know if they were close friends, or just acquaintances? Did they just go to the same college, and have only connected though academic studies?

5. The abduction was sexually motivated, and no one knows if DR is a pedophile capable of abducting a child for sexual purposes.

6. There are other suspects, and we do not know what LE is doing in regards to investigating those other suspects.

7. We can't base DRs comments on media reports/newspaper articles as something to incriminate him. Media/news does not necessarily get things right, and that's the reason "gag orders" are put in place.

8. It's alleged that mistakes were made by LE at the beginning of the investigation, one of them being no road blocks put in place immediately after 911 call.

Timeline:
http://globegazette.com/jacob-wette...cle_2b0e6832-84d0-11df-85ff-001cc4c03286.html

9. It's alleged there's other information on another suspect, listed on the POI list, has not been investigated yet.

10. IMO, I believe there's more than one suspect, and there had to be help to pull off the abduction on the edge of someone's property.

The only thing I can see as a possibility in relating DR to this abduction is that he may know something about it, and may be hiding it. This could make him an accessory to the crime, but not the actual abductor.

I also think it's possible that, since some mistakes were made, they could have DR named as a POI to take the focus off LE's mistakes, and put the focus on DR, thus making his the fall guy.

These are my opinions, and of course I still have more to read, and more of my own amateur investigating to do.

 

[chaplain1]

DR is a teacher. Teachers protect their own like cops. Tinner is the only person I know that knows DR.

 

[Sasquatch321]

I'm thinking the FBI and forensics needs to rethink this method! UGH!


1. I would think that, by now, they would have had time to examine/analyze what was taken from the house and farm. This alleged "evidence" was taken from the property 5 years ago.

2. Why would "The Hunt", from CNN, come out featuring the JW abduction, and ask that anyone with any potential leads or suspects in mind, to call the SCSO, or NCMEC, if the alleged "evidence" from the DR property had any merit to it?

3. It's been alleged that the crime scene was contaminated, and not just by Kevin's tire tracks.

4. It's alleged DR had a "friend" who is a convicted pedophile, which could mean DR is a pedophile. This is not something that is based on facts. Do we know if they were close friends, or just acquaintances? Did they just go to the same college, and have only connected though academic studies?

5. The abduction was sexually motivated, and no one knows if DR is a pedophile capable of abducting a child for sexual purposes.

6. There are other suspects, and we do not know what LE is doing in regards to investigating those other suspects.

7. We can't base DRs comments on media reports/newspaper articles as something to incriminate him. Media/news does not necessarily get things right, and that's the reason "gag orders" are put in place.

8. It's alleged that mistakes were made by LE at the beginning of the investigation, one of them being no road blocks put in place immediately after 911 call.

Timeline:
http://globegazette.com/jacob-wette...cle_2b0e6832-84d0-11df-85ff-001cc4c03286.html

9. It's alleged there's other information on another suspect, listed on the POI list, has not been investigated yet.

10. IMO, I believe there's more than one suspect, and there had to be help to pull off the abduction on the edge of someone's property.

The only thing I can see as a possibility in relating DR to this abduction is that he may know something about it, and may be hiding it. This could make him an accessory to the crime, but not the actual abductor.

I also think it's possible that, since some mistakes were made, they could have DR named as a POI to take the focus off LE's mistakes, and put the focus on DR, thus making his the fall guy.

These are my opinions, and of course I still have more to read, and more of my own amateur investigating to do.

I'll try to answer #2. I think it doesn't hurt to do so, it is healthy for the investigation. They want to make it known they are not just honing in on one particular idea. In the meantime, just like us, they are awaiting response from the lab.

 

[human]

So did you sense he was a pedophile based on his disgusting personality? I'm sure he was immediately fired, and hopefully put in jail. I don't think any pedophile molests kids in front of anyone. We were talking about assuming someone else is a pedophile because they're "friends" with one.... like you said DR was. You alluded that "good people" know/get a bad vibe if someone is a pedophile based on personality traits. I do get that, but, I'm careful not to assume that their friends are all pedophiles.

Many pedophiles have a lot of acquaintances, and not a lot of CLOSE friends. I'm assuming if they're close, they may find out. If DR was CLOSE friends, then maybe he knew.....BUT, it still doesn't make DR a pedophile. He may have broken off their friendship if he found out. There's just a lot we don't know, and assumptions can be a scary thing.

I said DR may have not known his friend was a pedophile. Were they close friends? Or were they acquaintances?

I don't think anyone should assume DR was a pedophile because he knew one. People are sidelined all the time, never realizing they worked side by side with a child molester.

Those of us who saw the pedo's FB saw the multiple S and M sites that the pedo had on his FB. There were astounding, to me, pics.

How can it be explained that DR did not see those sites when anyone looking on the pedo's FB could see them?

 

[human]

Both were required to completely leave the property. If I correctly recall, although I no longer have a reference, there was a confrontation with getting the old people to leave. Her husband was then 85. Perhaps you have not dealt with elderly persons.

I think you have their birthdates wrong.

The breakdown is totally weird considering they would certainly want to help find a missing child. A child that must be in their mind. A child who is in our minds and we don't even live there

 

[human]

The number of perpetrators and sexual assaults in that area at the time is just mind-boggling.


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I think some of them have to be taken with a big grain of salt.

 

[human]

I'm thinking the FBI and forensics needs to rethink this method! UGH!


1. I would think that, by now, they would have had time to examine/analyze what was taken from the house and farm. This alleged "evidence" was taken from the property 5 years ago.

2. Why would "The Hunt", from CNN, come out featuring the JW abduction, and ask that anyone with any potential leads or suspects in mind, to call the SCSO, or NCMEC, if the alleged "evidence" from the DR property had any merit to it?

3. It's been alleged that the crime scene was contaminated, and not just by Kevin's tire tracks.

4. It's alleged DR had a "friend" who is a convicted pedophile, which could mean DR is a pedophile. This is not something that is based on facts. Do we know if they were close friends, or just acquaintances? Did they just go to the same college, and have only connected though academic studies?

5. The abduction was sexually motivated, and no one knows if DR is a pedophile capable of abducting a child for sexual purposes.

6. There are other suspects, and we do not know what LE is doing in regards to investigating those other suspects.

7. We can't base DRs comments on media reports/newspaper articles as something to incriminate him. Media/news does not necessarily get things right, and that's the reason "gag orders" are put in place.

8. It's alleged that mistakes were made by LE at the beginning of the investigation, one of them being no road blocks put in place immediately after 911 call.

Timeline:
http://globegazette.com/jacob-wette...cle_2b0e6832-84d0-11df-85ff-001cc4c03286.html

9. It's alleged there's other information on another suspect, listed on the POI list, has not been investigated yet.

10. IMO, I believe there's more than one suspect, and there had to be help to pull off the abduction on the edge of someone's property.

The only thing I can see as a possibility in relating DR to this abduction is that he may know something about it, and may be hiding it. This could make him an accessory to the crime, but not the actual abductor.

I also think it's possible that, since some mistakes were made, they could have DR named as a POI to take the focus off LE's mistakes, and put the focus on DR, thus making his the fall guy.

These are my opinions, and of course I still have more to read, and more of my own amateur investigating to do.

LE seems to be doing a better job with this than they did with your molester, no?

It can be seen how people can be in denial about things brought up on here about DR. So it does not surprise me that pedos such as your pedo get away with it.

DR is not going to be a fall guy. He has standing in the community, a respected family, a good job, etc. If there is going to be a fall guy, there are plenty of people with no resources that would have made people be totally happy.

 

[Jewelia]

LE seems to be doing a better job with this than they did with your molester, no?

It can be seen how people can be in denial about things brought up on here about DR. So it does not surprise me that pedos such as your pedo get away with it.

DR is not going to be a fall guy. He has standing in the community, a respected family, a good job, etc. If there is going to be a fall guy, there are plenty of people with no resources that would have made people be totally happy.

It's better to put it as the molester we exposed.
Yeah, you're right.... He's gone 40+ years a free man! I've been reading about molesters in your area being prosecuted, so that's good.

Still, 25 years on an abduction.... Ugh! Time for some kind of news pointing in the right direction.

 

[Trino]

I think you have their birthdates wrong.

The breakdown is totally weird considering they would certainly want to help find a missing child. A child that must be in their mind. A child who is in our minds and we don't even live there

Do the math. Rita Rassier was born in 1929. Robert B. Rassier was born in 1924. Daniel Rassier is 59/60 years old.

 

[Cappuccino]

Those of us who saw the pedo's FB saw the multiple S and M sites that the pedo had on his FB. There were astounding, to me, pics.

How can it be explained that DR did not see those sites when anyone looking on the pedo's FB could see them?

Maybe he did see them. Given that all those sites were legal and dealt with adult consensual sexual activity, what is he supposed to have done if he saw them?

 

[Trino]

For those of you who have never seen the results of a search warrant, allow me to give info. (No. It was not my property.)

LE empties everything, and totally leaves it for the owner to pick up/put back. If we consider the barn where the chest was taken, think everything down. Everything out of the shed(s). If we consider the house, think every drawer emptied and left, mattresses turned over, kitchen cupboards emptied and left, closets emptied on the floor. Of course, this depends on how each LE operates, but I have been privy to results.

So, why would anyone be upset/angry after a search warrant? Kinda obvious.

 

[Jewelia]

For those of you who have never seen the results of a search warrant, allow me to give info. (No. It was not my property.)

LE empties everything, and totally leaves it for the owner to pick up/put back. If we consider the barn where the chest was taken, think everything down. Everything out of the shed(s). If we consider the house, think every drawer emptied and left, mattresses turned over, kitchen cupboards emptied and left, closets emptied on the floor. Of course, this depends on how each LE operates, but I have been privy to results.

So, why would anyone be upset/angry after a search warrant? Kinda obvious.

That's exactly right! I'm sure many of you have seen Shawshank Redemption, and when they "tossed" cells. This is what they do to people's homes when the search them! They "toss" them. Now imagine 2 people in their 80s having to deal with this. I hope those two have good attorneys, if their home looked anything like the photos I saw!

 

[CrimeSolver]

I wonder if the Vidocq Society could make some headway in the Wetterling case. It would have to be submitted by the Wetterlings or local LE.

 

[Trackergd]

Those of us who saw the pedo's FB saw the multiple S and M sites that the pedo had on his FB. There were astounding, to me, pics.

How can it be explained that DR did not see those sites when anyone looking on the pedo's FB could see them?

RBBM

The internet was started in 1989 and most websites did not last for more than 90 days. It was still in it's infancy in 1991. FB started February 4, 2004. It's very doubtful that DR or his friend were on the web at the time Jacob was abducted since most of the people using it at that time were CERN scientists. DR would only have seen his friends FB page at some point after 2004, if he has seen it at all. Unless he is a FB friend of the individual, it would be difficult to prove DR has seen the page.