MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #15

[Sasquatch321]

The 911 operator tells Dan a child has been abducted at the end of his driveway and that the people with flashlights are cops searching for the missing child.

When Dan learns this information, he does NOT go back to bed. He got dressed, grabbed a flashlight, and went outside to see if he could help. I asked him if he talked to any of the police officers that night and he said, “Yes, I spoke to an officer on the road, up the hill. I didn’t know who he was for 23 years.” He explains that it was just last December when he went in to the Stearns County Sheriff’s Department to request to look at the affidavit they used to execute the search warrant in 2010. He spoke to Sheriff’s Deputy Bruce Bechtold who told Dan he was the officer he had spoken to on the road that night. He remembered seeing Dan walking up the hill with a flashlight in hand. (This was never reported before, and proves that Dan was, indeed, home that night.) They speak briefly, and Dan offers to search the outbuildings on his property.

He heads back down the road/driveway and searches the outbuildings. Every one of them. You would think there would be cops everywhere, but Dan said there were not. A helicopter was searching the woods and fields around his house, but as far as he knows, there were no cops who came down into the yard all night… just the few up by the woodpile earlier.

Dan doesn’t know what more he can do, and he realizes he has to work in the morning. It’s very late, he’s tired, and he decides to go back to bed.

http://www.joybaker.com/2013/02/23/dans-story-2/

What's missing here? Dan decides to go back to bed? Dan doesn't know what more he can do? What about the cars he saw and the fact of a missing child? Did he remember that night and report it to le before going to bed?

 

[Ifollowthis]

The one that sent dirt flying inside the building site? We would all like to know when he first told anyone about it. We would all like to know if he was concerned about it, why he didn't point those tracks out to LE right away. Or did he? like a role model teacher and a concerned neighbor should have.

Sas on the picture of the stopped tire tracks are there two tracks or do you think it was some type of motorcycle.

 

[FBI Surveillance Van]

Hollinger. We need to sleuth Hollinger. He is a dead ringer for the sketch in Jared's case.

No. The F.B.I. received numerous tips that indicated DAH was the man depicted in that sketch. It is no coincidence that virtually all of the F.B.I. investigators/resources where pulled off the JW case shortly after DAH was charged with "unrelated to JW" child molestation (late Jan.1990).

 

[FBI Surveillance Van]

To me, whomever the abductor is was "shopping" for a boy that met a specific criteria. His, or someone else's. That does not seem to jive with someone abducting on the "spur of the moment" and indicates a level of experience.

There was an earlier Paynesville "experience" (>DAH), where a tomboyish looking girl was grabbed off her bicycle, and then let go after the attacker realized she was not a boy. Could have acquired from experiences like that - to manually check to be sure.

 

[Sasquatch321]

Dan was playing trumpet at a wedding that day, so he wasn’t home when police searched their house that afternoon. However, while he was there that morning, detectives finally got around to asking him about the cars. Almost an entire week had passed, yet this was the first time law enforcement had actually asked to see where the cars had turned around in the yard.

“As they were asking me where… about 15 horses were prancing about the area where the tracks had been all week! The detectives made NO effort to preserve the site…. they just didn’t seem to care much about it! I was thinking… do these guys know what they are doing???”

http://www.joybaker.com/2013/04/01/a-few-answers-many-more-questions/

So what happened? Did he finally recover the tire tracks? Was the monte carlos, the one he believed to be the kidnappers lost now? Are we really just left with a quip at LE?

 

[FBI Surveillance Van]

they could see a vehicle there with lights on.

A lot of people only see what they want to see, and not all vehicles equipped with lights have them on so that they can be seen.

 

[Sasquatch321]

A lot of people only see what they want to see, and not all vehicles equipped with lights have them on so that they can be seen.

A moonless night, unfamiliar narrow driveway? not happening with the lights off.

 

[ELOCsoul]

A lot of people only see what they want to see, and not all vehicles equipped with lights have them on so that they can be seen.

It was pitch black that night, absolutely no way someone could navigate the road or driveway in a vehicle without lights on. Even if the person was very familiar with the area it would be extremely difficult to drive in the area without lights.

 

[Jewelia]

Not saying anyone should give up. It just there is no timeline for when technology becomes available. How long will LE keep DR's things in the name of future technology? Will technology 100 years from now solve the crime for us or for the Wetterlings? Will technology after we're all dead and gone find Jacob Wetterling?

It certainly appears that LE with "technology" is trying to prove DR did the crime, not figure out with technology that someone else may have committed it.

I agree...
There's other information that LE hasn't looked at regarding LK. I know this because I've spoken to the person who has the information. I'm not going to go around and around debating this. Bottom line: Efforts were made to get the attention of LE on this for years.

It's very simple: LE just needs to investigate ALL potential evidence. They're going to spend all that money digging up the farm of DR, toss his house, and use the latest forensic technology, yet they can't get in a vehicle, drive to the area, and look at the information on LK that's ready to be served on a silver platter to them??

 

[Trino]

Act I, Scene I
Farm of Rita and Robert Rassier, son Dan living there. Chaos as dump trucks take loads of dirt from the farm and conduct a search warrant on the property, including the house.

Act I, Scene II
Several weeks later. Stearns Co Sheriff's Office where sheriff is conducting a meeting of staff and deputies.

Sheriff (raising envelope above head): "What we have here is an envelope from the FBI Forensics lab, the most famous testing lab in the world, that will solve the Jacob Wetterling disappearance."

Sheriff opens envelope and reads: "We are sorry to inform you that the samples submitted did not match..."

"What? What is this? The samples did not match?"

Deputy (rising): "What do we do now, Sheriff? We've wasted tax payer dollars digging up property that found nothing, tore up the house with a search warrant, which also found nothing, and brought back a few things from the barn that aren't a match to the case."

Sheriff (thinking): "Sit down, Deputy. I have a plan. We'll name Dan Rassier as a POI. We don't need to tell him or the public why. Then, we'll say we need to keep the items we have to wait for better technology."

Deputy: "Great plan, but what if we're questioned?"

Sheriff: No problem, Deputy. We'll just say we can't talk about the case because it's an open investigation."

 

[Jewelia]

I am simply questioning where you have the data re their ages. Do you have someplace that is identified?

It's fairly easy to find out the ages of an individual. On the child molester we exposed, I got his places of employment, date of birth, SS#, where he's lived, his phone numbers, etc.

On DR's parents, you're not going to get all of that unless they've been arrested, or convicted for something. You're not supposed to get their SS#, but I imagine some of the people working in archives/records didn't much care about what happened to the pedophile we were exposing.

Certainly you can get the DOB, on many sites. I used Instant Checkmate. There's other sites, and you have to pay a fee. I didn't want to pay for it, but it was useful for many reasons; one of them listing neighbors, phone numbers of neighbors, listing other family members, etc. It's supposed to show criminal activity, but most of those sites don't pick it up. I had to dig deep for that. That's how I learned how deep cover-ups go..... Very deep. You can usually file a FOIA, and expect to get what you request....not when there's a cover-up.

I think a seasoned/well experienced child predator/molester did this. Not a man who had a one time urge to molest a boy, who has no record of molesting any boys. It's possible his crimes against children have been covered up also. If you feel that's the case, then get out there and do the digging for records, police reports, etc. We all know the crime was sexually motivated.

You can also interview some of his students from the late 80s, early, 90s. Although there's a lot of cover-up on child molesters, eventually something pops up on them, but it takes persistence. Apparently, in prior years, in the case of the pedophile we exposed, there wasn't any persistence. With DR being a POI for an extended period, I assume every effort has been made by LE to find out whether of not this man was arrested, or a convicted pedophile. It's been all over the news when they tossed his parent's home, and dug up his parents farm, and I'm sure it would have been all over the news if it was found that DR had a record of molesting boys.

LE also has the tools to find out if he's a pedophile who's not been convicted......they could start by interviewing students, which I assume they did. It appears, right now, that no student has come forward, and if they did, DR would not be working in a school.

 

[FBI Surveillance Van]

It was pitch black that night, absolutely no way someone could navigate the road or driveway in a vehicle without lights on. Even if the person was very familiar with the area it would be extremely difficult to drive in the area without lights.

Yes it was dark, and yes, it was moonless. It was October 22, 1989 - a dark, and moonless night. Was it so dark, and so pitch black, that it was IMPOSSIBLE to see? Hmmmm, if it was that dark, then anyone can clearly see, that it would also have been impossible for the POI to navigate himself up and down his very familiar driveway. Being so utterly pitch black, the POI would have been forced to stumble around like a blind mind trying to find a lost peanut in a 20 foot tall wood pile. Thankfully, his victims came along just in time, and rescued him from his plight, by bringing with them the flashlight which guided his footsteps up onto the road before them. Then the POI enlightened all of pitch black Stearns County, with the sheer brilliance of his impulsively well thought out plan, by saying in a loud Batman voice, "turn off that light, I have a gun". Yep, there was absolutely no way, the POI could have navigated the road or driveway without lights on.

 

[ELOCsoul]

Yes it was dark, and yes, it was moonless. It was October 22, 1989 - a dark, and moonless night. Was it so dark, and so pitch black, that it was IMPOSSIBLE to see? Hmmmm, if it was that dark, then anyone can clearly see, that it would also have been impossible for the POI to navigate himself up and down his very familiar driveway. Being so utterly pitch black, the POI would have been forced to stumble around like a blind mind trying to find a lost peanut in a 20 foot tall wood pile. Thankfully, his victims came along just in time, and rescued him from his plight, by bringing with them the flashlight which guided his footsteps up onto the road before them. Then the POI enlightened all of pitch black Stearns County, with the sheer brilliance of his impulsively well thought out plan, by saying in a loud Batman voice, "turn off that light, I have a gun". Yep, there was absolutely no way, the POI could have navigated the road or driveway without lights on.

I agree, a perpetrator on foot and familiar with the area would have been able to more easily navigate the driveway and road in the dark because he would have three advantages over a stranger in a car without its lights on. 1. At a slower speed of movement it would be easier to navigate a dark area. 2. Familiarity with the area would be a big advantage, knowing the shape of the road and driveway and knowing the terrain of the area. 3. He would also have his sense of sound to help navigate.

A person in a car with no lights would have great difficulty navigating in this environment. IMO, if Jacob was abducted with the use of a vehicle, then it's most likely that he turned his lights on when he drove off.

One additional detail that has never been disclosed by LE, is what happened with the flashlight? The abductor may have grabbed it, or he may have had his own flashlight to

 

[human]

Yeah, like he would be the only POI in the entire history of human criminal behavior, to have himself voluntarily placed under hypnosis - so that he could be interrogated (while hypnotized) by law enforcement for the purpose of providing "helpful" details about an abduction that he had committed. No wonder this case has remained unsolved for 25 years. There has never before, or will there ever be, a POI as deceptively brilliant as this.

The only info we have about his hypnosis is from DR. Not anyone else.

Who knows what that was all about

 

[human]

No. The F.B.I. received numerous tips that indicated DAH was the man depicted in that sketch. It is no coincidence that virtually all of the F.B.I. investigators/resources where pulled off the JW case shortly after DAH was charged with "unrelated to JW" child molestation (late Jan.1990).

How do you know this? I doubt if LE would be searching 25 years later if they knew it was DAH. Makes zero sense.

 

[human]

Dan was playing trumpet at a wedding that day, so he wasn’t home when police searched their house that afternoon. However, while he was there that morning, detectives finally got around to asking him about the cars. Almost an entire week had passed, yet this was the first time law enforcement had actually asked to see where the cars had turned around in the yard.

“As they were asking me where… about 15 horses were prancing about the area where the tracks had been all week! The detectives made NO effort to preserve the site…. they just didn’t seem to care much about it! I was thinking… do these guys know what they are doing???”

http://www.joybaker.com/2013/04/01/a-few-answers-many-more-questions/

So what happened? Did he finally recover the tire tracks? Was the monte carlos, the one he believed to be the kidnappers lost now? Are we really just left with a quip at LE?

Once again, we have DR talkling about the site almost a week later.

He loves to jab at LE, doesn't he.

So much smarter than LE is he!

 

[human]

Act I, Scene I
Farm of Rita and Robert Rassier, son Dan living there. Chaos as dump trucks take loads of dirt from the farm and conduct a search warrant on the property, including the house.

Act I, Scene II
Several weeks later. Stearns Co Sheriff's Office where sheriff is conducting a meeting of staff and deputies.

Sheriff (raising envelope above head): "What we have here is an envelope from the FBI Forensics lab, the most famous testing lab in the world, that will solve the Jacob Wetterling disappearance."

Sheriff opens envelope and reads: "We are sorry to inform you that the samples submitted did not match..."

"What? What is this? The samples did not match?"

Deputy (rising): "What do we do now, Sheriff? We've wasted tax payer dollars digging up property that found nothing, tore up the house with a search warrant, which also found nothing, and brought back a few things from the barn that aren't a match to the case."

Sheriff (thinking): "Sit down, Deputy. I have a plan. We'll name Dan Rassier as a POI. We don't need to tell him or the public why. Then, we'll say we need to keep the items we have to wait for better technology."

Deputy: "Great plan, but what if we're questioned?"

Sheriff: No problem, Deputy. We'll just say we can't talk about the case because it's an open investigation."

And of course, DR sees no porblem with this whatsoever. This is exactly how the FBI and BCA work in tandem with Stearns, right?

Picking on poor defenseless DR

 

[ELOCsoul]

No. The F.B.I. received numerous tips that indicated DAH was the man depicted in that sketch. It is no coincidence that virtually all of the F.B.I. investigators/resources where pulled off the JW case shortly after DAH was charged with "unrelated to JW" child molestation (late Jan.1990).

They did receive tips about Hart from the public, but I don't think it was so much from the sketch as it was from his behavior and reputation. In fact, the FBI was quoted as saying that Hart did not resemble the sketch.

The FBI drawdown began in November, before Thanksgiving. The substantial withdrawal of the FBI was announced at the end of December, a full three weeks prior to Hart`s arrest.

 

[human]

It's fairly easy to find out the ages of an individual. On the child molester we exposed, I got his places of employment, date of birth, SS#, where he's lived, his phone numbers, etc.

On DR's parents, you're not going to get all of that unless they've been arrested, or convicted for something. You're not supposed to get their SS#, but I imagine some of the people working in archives/records didn't much care about what happened to the pedophile we were exposing.

Certainly you can get the DOB, on many sites. I used Instant Checkmate. There's other sites, and you have to pay a fee. I didn't want to pay for it, but it was useful for many reasons; one of them listing neighbors, phone numbers of neighbors, listing other family members, etc. It's supposed to show criminal activity, but most of those sites don't pick it up. I had to dig deep for that. That's how I learned how deep cover-ups go..... Very deep. You can usually file a FOIA, and expect to get what you request....not when there's a cover-up.

I think a seasoned/well experienced child predator/molester did this. Not a man who had a one time urge to molest a boy, who has no record of molesting any boys. It's possible his crimes against children have been covered up also. If you feel that's the case, then get out there and do the digging for records, police reports, etc. We all know the crime was sexually motivated.

You can also interview some of his students from the late 80s, early, 90s. Although there's a lot of cover-up on child molesters, eventually something pops up on them, but it takes persistence. Apparently, in prior years, in the case of the pedophile we exposed, there wasn't any persistence. With DR being a POI for an extended period, I assume every effort has been made by LE to find out whether of not this man was arrested, or a convicted pedophile. It's been all over the news when they tossed his parent's home, and dug up his parents farm, and I'm sure it would have been all over the news if it was found that DR had a record of molesting boys.

LE also has the tools to find out if he's a pedophile who's not been convicted......they could start by interviewing students, which I assume they did. It appears, right now, that no student has come forward, and if they did, DR would not be working in a school.

We have no idea if a student came forward or not. There are statute of limitations on things. We have no idea if a student lives in a foreign country and has no clue about Jacob or if a student died.

It is illegal to get the SS number of people unless you are authorized to do so.

I have looked up the R family . I think the fact that they had so many children at a young age as well as a death of a child may have contributed to stress in the family. Made them vulnerable.

Here is an example of Barway C who was recently killed by his father, but no one knew it. There were vigils and fundraisers for this child. But all along LE knew who did it. Here is what they released at the beginning.


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From your link, statement from detectives:

"We do not have information that would lead us to believe this is a stranger abduction. We do have information that leads us to believe he is with someone he may know," Revering said.

 

[Trino]

The murder of BC was a slam dunk. JW is not. Not a comparison at all.