MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #15

[chaplain1]

I don't get that, I believe I've made a good point here.

It's fine, you just know the answer.

 

[Jewelia]

The Bahners are crude, uncivilized people who would never, ever be picked by powerful people to do their bidding. Never, ever, ever, never--what powerful person pays incestuous, alcoholic brothers to pull off the perfect crime? If the Bahner had done this, they would have found the body the next day in their trailer.

Who said the Bahners planned this? Who in their right mind would believe these nutty monsters would be capable of carrying out a plan to kidnap a boy? All they had to do was hang out in a ditch and look for boys on bikes. (That's assuming they were part if this). LK has not been cleared, and he would be the third party that the B-brothers were working with. The B-brothers would be perfect, because who'd beleive their stories? The b-brothers are street smart when it came to hunting kids to molest. In fact that's about all they know how to do. I've heard all about the family.

Why did R Bahner only serve 2 1/2 years of a 40 sentence for molesting a 7 year old boy for 7 years?? Why did MB get no time? What else do they know? Stearns county is crawling with child molesters, some of them have been within LE/judicial system. I'm not just going to throw this out there based on rumor or newspaper articles. This is something that someone researched over a period of years. Is it 100% certain? No it isn't! But if LE isn't going to look at the voluminous amounts of other documentation and information then we won't know either way.

LK isn't cleared. At the very least, these B-brothers know something. Do you think LE told them they had been recorded when they interviewed them? Well, of course not. They asked them if they played a role in the abduction, they said no. They interviewed the B- brothers, and investigated what they had, which was only a small part of the evidence/information. It's up to LE to understand how to deal with mentally challenged suspects.

Just because LE said they're cleared doesn't mean it's true. Mistakes are made and cover-ups happen. This isn't conspiracy thinking, this is reality.

Powerful/influential people don't send one of their own to do the dirty work. They send the scum bags to do that. If someone gets caught, it's the scum bag, and who's going to believe a scum bag when they tell them a judge/doctor/teacher/priest told them to do it! They chose LK to do the actual abduction. He's a smarter scum bag.

I'm not saying this is 100% certain; that there's another party that hired LK to pull this off. LK would be the monster who planned the abduction. The B-brothers would look for the boys on the bikes. If LK is sitting in a car, or back in the brush waiting to carry out the abduction, wouldn't someone have to let him know they're coming? If there was a car involved, this kidnapping would have to have more than one person involved. There's more to it than this, and LE just needs to look at the rest of the information they have.

What your failing to understand, is that there's other information regarding LK and the b-brothers involvement. Those tape are only a small portion. Why is LE failing to look at the rest? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard: LE saying the B-Brothers are cleared, and fully investigated. That's not possible, because the lady holding the rest of the information has not been able to get LE to look at it!!! I'd say five storage containers is a lot to miss....ya think? Why was an investigator told to retract his report on the b-brothers? It appears there were at least of couple of investigators who tried....but then suddenly they're no longer there.

AGAIN------> this is not 100% fact, but it's definitely something to look at; just as many still look into DH still. It's our right to want this looked into further.

 

[ThePhantom]

When I heard that Mr. Wetterling had a "bad feeling" at the ice rink, I felt like there might be more to that. And now I wonder, did Mr. Wetterling see Hollinger (hockey coach) there? Did he know Hollinger and ever observe him perhaps being inappropriate with the boys? Had he heard something about Hollinger? And if so, did he tell LE about his concerns once Jacob went missing?

 

[chaplain1]

Who said the Bahners planned this? Who in their right mind would believe these nutty monsters would be capable of carrying out a plan to kidnap a boy? All they had to do was hang out in a ditch and look for boys on bikes. (That's assuming they were part if this). LK has not been cleared, and he would be the third party that the B-brothers were working with. The B-brothers would be perfect, because who'd beleive their stories? The b-brothers are street smart when it came to hunting kids to molest. In fact that's about all they know how to do. I've heard all about the family.

Why did R Bahner only serve 2 1/2 years of a 40 sentence for molesting a 7 year old boy for 7 years?? Why did MB get no time? What else do they know? Stearns county is crawling with child molesters, some of them have been within LE/judicial system. I'm not just going to throw this out there based on rumor or newspaper articles. This is something that someone researched over a period of years. Is it 100% certain? No it isn't! But if LE isn't going to look at the voluminous amounts of other documentation and information then we won't know either way.

LK isn't cleared. At the very least, these B-brothers know something. Do you think LE told them they had been recorded when they interviewed them? Well, of course not. They asked them if they played a role in the abduction, they said no. They interviewed the B- brothers, and investigated what they had, which was only a small part of the evidence/information. It's up to LE to understand how to deal with mentally challenged suspects.

Just because LE said they're cleared doesn't mean it's true. Mistakes are made and cover-ups happen. This isn't conspiracy thinking, this is reality.

Powerful/influential people don't send one of their own to do the dirty work. They send the scum bags to do that. If someone gets caught, it's the scum bag, and who's going to believe a scum bag when they tell them a judge/doctor/teacher/priest told them to do it! They chose LK to do the actual abduction. He's a smarter scum bag.

I'm not saying this is 100% certain; that there's another party that hired LK to pull this off. LK would be the monster who planned the abduction. The B-brothers would look for the boys on the bikes. If LK is sitting in a car, or back in the brush waiting to carry out the abduction, wouldn't someone have to let him know they're coming? If there was a car involved, this kidnapping would have to have more than one person involved. There's more to it than this, and LE just needs to look at the rest of the information they have.

What your failing to understand, is that there's other information regarding LK and the b-brothers involvement. Those tape are only a small portion. Why is LE failing to look at the rest? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard: LE saying the B-Brothers are cleared, and fully investigated. That's not possible, because the lady holding the rest of the information has not been able to get LE to look at it!!! I'd say five storage containers is a lot to miss....ya think? Why was an investigator told to retract his report on the b-brothers? It appears there were at least of couple of investigators who tried....but then suddenly they're no longer there.

AGAIN------> this is not 100% fact, but it's definitely something to look at; just as many still look into DH still. It's our right to want this looked into further.

So the Bahners are perfect because they would be the 1st people the police would think of? I just don't get that logic.

No one is disputing you have the right to believe what you want. However, it'd be a disservice of all of our collective time to not say that DM's evidence is considered tainted and a work of eisegesis.

 

[ELOCsoul]

One thing that should be clarified is that the person who was the subject of the Stearns Truth tapes was investigated. That does not mean they were cleared. LE has consistently stated that they have four or five suspects who have not been cleared. That person could well be one of them.

The tapes surfaced in 1997. The siblings whose voices are on the tapes may not have even known the suspect in 1989, as the suspect lived and worked in Eau Claire, Wisconsin in 1989.

There were others involved in the making of these tapes, whose names are not generally known. Those folks have a variety of crimes on their records including theft and filing false police report, etc.

 

[shergal]

If you do a search for Level 3 Predatory Offenders in Stearns County, there are only two right now. (So we're not exactly "crawling" with sex offenders.)
https://coms.doc.state.mn.us/Level3/search.asp

(Under addresses currently unknown there are 3 more.)
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While searching for predators and molesters in Stearns County, I found this report on this guy "JLC"... How has his name never come up before as a suspect in Jacob's case? Or has it?

"While in treatment L* admitted that he had molested 26 boys and girls ranging in age from 5 to 15 during 1977 through 1991. He also identified four additional children whom he molested in Stearns County. They were all family members and were ages 4, 5, 7, and 9. The St. Cloud treatment program placed L* on probation for inappropriate conduct, and he eventually withdrew from treatment.

During the interview for his Civil Commitment Review Assessment in December 1997, L* revealed that he has sexual fantasies every few days that involve boys and girls of the ages 4 to 14. He contended that, despite the fantasies and despite his failure to complete sex-offender treatment, he will not re-offend because he has done "soul searching." He admitted that he was not taking his prescribed psychotropic medication, but he claimed he was justified in failing to do so.

While incarcerated, L* has received two "disciplinary reports" for public exposure and masturbation and for soliciting sex from another inmate. He admits to having had 12 to 18 sexual partners in prison.

Prior to L's anticipated supervised release date, the state petitioned for his judicial commitment as a Sexual Psychopathic Personality and Sexually Dangerous Person."


snipped from:

http://mn.gov/lawlib//archive/ctapun/9912/1179.htm

*See article for name.
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This other guy (WV) really looks a lot like the sketch of the guy with hat in Jared's case. The article says he was out of the country in 1972, It doesn't say what year he returned to the US. Perhaps he was one of the 100's who were looked at and cleared in Jacob's case?

http://www.sctimes.com/story/news/l...13/fbi-s-contacted-us-pedophile-case/9053325/

 

[Jewelia]

If you do a search for Level 3 Predatory Offenders in Stearns County, there are only two right now. (So we're not exactly "crawling" with sex offenders.)
https://coms.doc.state.mn.us/Level3/search.asp

(Under addresses currently unknown there are 3 more.)
____________

While searching for predators and molesters in Stearns County, I found this report on this guy "JLC"... How has his name never come up before as a suspect in Jacob's case? Or has it?

"While in treatment L* admitted that he had molested 26 boys and girls ranging in age from 5 to 15 during 1977 through 1991. He also identified four additional children whom he molested in Stearns County. They were all family members and were ages 4, 5, 7, and 9. The St. Cloud treatment program placed L* on probation for inappropriate conduct, and he eventually withdrew from treatment.

During the interview for his Civil Commitment Review Assessment in December 1997, L* revealed that he has sexual fantasies every few days that involve boys and girls of the ages 4 to 14. He contended that, despite the fantasies and despite his failure to complete sex-offender treatment, he will not re-offend because he has done "soul searching." He admitted that he was not taking his prescribed psychotropic medication, but he claimed he was justified in failing to do so.

While incarcerated, L* has received two "disciplinary reports" for public exposure and masturbation and for soliciting sex from another inmate. He admits to having had 12 to 18 sexual partners in prison.

Prior to L's anticipated supervised release date, the state petitioned for his judicial commitment as a Sexual Psychopathic Personality and Sexually Dangerous Person."


snipped from:

http://mn.gov/lawlib//archive/ctapun/9912/1179.htm

*See article for name.
____________

This other guy (WV) really looks a lot like the sketch of the guy with hat in Jared's case. The article says he was out of the country in 1972, It doesn't say what year he returned to the US. Perhaps he was one of the 100's who were looked at and cleared in Jacob's case?

http://www.sctimes.com/story/news/l...13/fbi-s-contacted-us-pedophile-case/9053325/

Are you kidding? St. Johns Abby alone is crawling with them. The problem is so bad there it's alarming. The one we exposed is still not registered as a sex offender. He's a level 3! There's more than that in a 6 block area in most cities! This list cannot be accurate. When I spoke with the person handing the JW case at NCMEC we discussed this problem: Sex offenders not getting put on the LIST. If only 2-3 are listed in all of Stearns County, there is something obviously very wrong. WOW!

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[shergal]

Are you kidding? St. Johns Abby alone is crawling with them. The problem is so bad there it's alarming. The one we exposed is still not registered as a sex offender. He's a level 3! There's more than that in a 6 block area in most cities! This list cannot be accurate. When I spoke with the person handing the JW case at NCMEC we discussed this problem: Sex offenders not getting put on the LIST. If only 2-3 are listed in all of Stearns County, there is something obviously very wrong. WOW!
<modsnip>

No, I'm not kidding. St. John's offenders (and priests from other MN dioceses') are not listed because they have never been arrested or convicted. I agree that's a huge problem. All the priest/monk molestations were covered up.

I'm quite sure the list is accurate. What you're looking at is sex offenders in 1989, of which there were a lot more unknown. Since Jacob's abduction, and thanks to Wetterlings, there aren't so many unknown now.

 

[Jewelia]

No, I'm not kidding. St. John's offenders (and priests from other MN dioceses') are not listed because they have never been arrested or convicted. I agree that's a huge problem. All the priest/monk molestations were covered up.

I'm quite sure the list is accurate. What you're looking at is sex offenders in 1989, of which there were a lot more unknown. Since Jacob's abduction, and thanks to Wetterlings, there aren't so many unknown now.

I'm sorry.... I have to respectfully disagree. Odds are, all the pedophile sex offenders are still not on the list. Although I admire the work of the JWF and NCMEC, the numbers are still quite high, because the cover ups are still happening. They're just getting more sophisticated on covering it up, or they think they are. This would be schools, churches, Boy Scouts, big brothers, cops, and more..... Still trying to cover it up.

You'd think it would be more difficult to do today, but unfortunately, today, people continue to look the other way, which doesn't help. It also doesn't help that there's still many, many people who go by what the sex offender lists say, and assume that's the amount of sex offenders in the community. Those lists are usually not accurate, and in Stearns County especially.

I think it's very,very sad.

 

[chaplain1]

I'm sorry.... I have to respectfully disagree. Odds are, all the pedophile sex offenders are still not on the list. Although I admire the work of the JWF and NCMEC, the numbers are still quite high, because the cover ups are still happening. They're just getting more sophisticated on covering it up, or they think they are. This would be schools, churches, Boy Scouts, big brothers, cops, and more..... Still trying to cover it up.

You'd think it would be more difficult to do today, but unfortunately, today, people continue to look the other way, which doesn't help. It also doesn't help that there's still many, many people who go by what the sex offender lists say, and assume that's the amount of sex offenders in the community. Those lists are usually not accurate, and in Stearns County especially.

I think it's very,very sad.

Rape is most unreported in families.

 

[shergal]

I'm sorry.... I have to respectfully disagree. Odds are, all the pedophile sex offenders are still not on the list. Although I admire the work of the JWF and NCMEC, the numbers are still quite high, because the cover ups are still happening. They're just getting more sophisticated on covering it up, or they think they are. This would be schools, churches, Boy Scouts, big brothers, cops, and more..... Still trying to cover it up.

You'd think it would be more difficult to do today, but unfortunately, today, people continue to look the other way, which doesn't help. It also doesn't help that there's still many, many people who go by what the sex offender lists say, and assume that's the amount of sex offenders in the community. Those lists are usually not accurate, and in Stearns County especially.

I think it's very,very sad.

RBBM

I'm sure a lot goes unreported. I guess I just don't get your "in Stearns County especially" comments, when other counties and states have large numbers listed on their registries. In Ohio, for example: http://www.city-data.com/so/so-Toledo-Ohio.html

Since this is my home state, although I wasn't born in this county, I live here now, and it seems as if you are attacking the county as a whole rather than just the sex offenders. Maybe it's just a matter of how things are worded. JMO

 

[Jewelia]

RBBM

I'm sure a lot goes unreported. I guess I just don't get your "in Stearns County especially" comments, when other counties and states have large numbers listed on their registries. In Ohio, for example: http://www.city-data.com/so/so-Toledo-Ohio.html

Since this is my home state, although I wasn't born in this county, I live here now, and it seems as if you are attacking the county as a whole rather than just the sex offenders. Maybe it's just a matter of how things are worded. JMO

Fair enough... I agree. I'm picking on Stearns County. But note that I said in many cities... Including Toledo, Oh., there's more sex offenders/child molesters than that in a two block area.

It's very under reported, but because there's so much cover-up, the numbers aren't accurate. Just googling sexual abuse cover-up, it's a never ending search.... There's so much on it. Because I was so involved in exposing the pedophile we exposed in 2012, I've never stopped researching and trying to spread awareness of this terrible problem. How did he manage to make in into 4 different school systems? One of them being
after a conviction!

Only have 2 on the sex offender list in Stearns County is alarming. It makes me wonder to what degree this problem is covered up. It's a big county.

 

[ThePhantom]

Someone, please -- I'm a little slow on the uptake here -- is Mossad's post referring to a suspect in Jared's case? From whence did this sketch come? Enlighten me, please.

 

[ThePhantom]

NMogren, okay, many thanks!!

 

[human]

One does have to wonder about this "evidence". In Eloc's book I'm reading how many hours SCSO, BCA, and the FBI put into Jacob's case, and the case continues to do a 360 for 25 years. I have to wonder if some of the local LE in the SCSO is making things disappear. This cannot be ruled completely out. We had this happen on a murder case in Toledo, and the case went cold for almost 30 years. Evidence that the two detectives turned into the Chief of Police disappeared. Oh, and the person convicted in the 1980 nun's murder was a priest, who molested children. Evidence can disappear, and other bogus evidence can replace it. It depends on who else can be implicated in the crime also.

This is just a well known fact: Sometimes LE covers up crimes, and more commonly sexual child abuse. It's been happening for decades, and Stearns County is not immune to it.


AGAIN, I'm not saying this is what's happening with ALL SCSO investigators, but something is definitely amiss somewhere.

I don't think LE can manufacture evidence so if they do not have it, what can they do but wait?

 

[human]

Someone, please -- I'm a little slow on the uptake here -- is Mossad's post referring to a suspect in Jared's case? From whence did this sketch come? Enlighten me, please.

I believe there have been several different sketches of people posted. If someone knows the suspect, please tell LE what you know. As you know, LE does know what is on this site so they will be contacting posters with info

 

[human]

Fair enough... I agree. I'm picking on Stearns County. But note that I said in many cities... Including Toledo, Oh., there's more sex offenders/child molesters than that in a two block area.

It's very under reported, but because there's so much cover-up, the numbers aren't accurate. Just googling sexual abuse cover-up, it's a never ending search.... There's so much on it. Because I was so involved in exposing the pedophile we exposed in 2012, I've never stopped researching and trying to spread awareness of this terrible problem. How did he manage to make in into 4 different school systems? One of them being
after a conviction!

Only have 2 on the sex offender list in Stearns County is alarming. It makes me wonder to what degree this problem is covered up. It's a big county.

Only Level III in MN require public notification,

We had one reported in our community. I felt it was impossible as I lived in a community that is wealthy and has no transportation. It turned out the guy gave a fake address. I was stunned as no one checked it out??

Anyway, the residents were given explicit instructions that he cannot be harrassed. They want the notification laws to continue to be in place. No one wants some sleazy lawyers defending these criminals because they say they arw being harrassed.

Oh, that's right. We have lawyers that the taxpapyers are paying to say that the poor civilly committed ones are not being treated fairly, Oh how I wish that the lawyers would have to take these people into their homes and neighborhoods,

 

[human]

RBBM

I'm sure a lot goes unreported. I guess I just don't get your "in Stearns County especially" comments, when other counties and states have large numbers listed on their registries. In Ohio, for example: http://www.city-data.com/so/so-Toledo-Ohio.html

Since this is my home state, although I wasn't born in this county, I live here now, and it seems as if you are attacking the county as a whole rather than just the sex offenders. Maybe it's just a matter of how things are worded. JMO

I am not from Stearns, but MN is known for being a very clean state. We do not have the massive corruption of some other states.

St. John's is a huge issue, but they are not classified as Level III offenders. Take that up with the lawyers who defend the sex offenders. The ones who are suing the state because the worst of the worst are not being treated fairly.

I say, treat them as well as their victims were treated. Fair is fair

 

[human]

I believe the year is correct, but I don't get the relevance. My point is that evidence in some cases has been stored away for decades. Even after DNA analysis became a fact of life, evidence in a vast number of cases was so minute, or corrupt, that it could not be tested. More recently, advanced technology has rendered these long forgotten bits of evidence viable. The huge demand, high cost, and limited facilities performing the newer testing, however, often equates to a seemingly endless wait for families who've already been tortured for years with unanswered questions, and a lack of justice for a loved one.

I guess I was not very clear in what I was saying.

As DNA use was brand new, the LE of that community where Jared was probably had little, if any knowledge about preserving DNA and the importance of proper procedures. The town where it happend has such few residents . I doubt it they had much in the line of any facilities for crime scene analysis.

Population in 2013 about 4000. Don't know what it was in 89

http://www.coldspring.govoffice.com/index.asp?SEC=248529A0-E63F-45BD-AB38-F7826CA19B56

 

[chaplain1]

But who is the photograph? I've seen the sketch, from something that you referred me to; but, whoever is in the photograph, would be the one who's interesting; am I missing something; does anyone know who that is? Or, is that something that's in ELOC's book; I haven't looked at it yet, I have my PDF copy, but, haven't started yet.

It just wouldn't be that interesting if he was straightforward. He is of the race of ubermensch that zarathustra spake.