MN - Jamar Clark, 24, shot by LE, Minneapolis, 15 Nov 2015

[Montjoy]

The clean up was done not by protesters, but by paid city employees and a volunteer.

Actually, that's half true. If 'paid city employees' cleaned up, then they're paid by the public -- and the protesters are part of the public. Some of them may have been paid OT, to which I say, good for them.

And as for the volunteer (though I'd guess there was more than one) -- I salute him/her/them, for exercising his/her/their right(s) do do what they choose for the public good.

Thank you for bring this to us -- it's good to see 'the system' working as it should. People use their rights to free speech, public servants get paid. That's why so many people fought for a democratically elected government with rights and freedoms.

 

[K_Z]

“The Assistant Attorney General repeated her statement last night that a release of any tapes now in the possession of the State Bureau of Criminal Apprehension would be “extremely detrimental” to the federal investigation.

“Accordingly, I asked the family and Black Lives Matter leaders to meet with the Department of Justice Attorneys, who will be flying to Minnesota tomorrow, to discuss the disposition of the tapes.

“I will urge that the tapes be provided to the family and released to the public, as soon as doing so will not jeopardize the Department of Justice’s investigation.

“I will also urge the Department of Justice lawyers and the U.S. Attorney to investigate any matters, which occurred in Minneapolis during the past week that may have violated the civil rights of any Minnesota citizens.

“I have met this afternoon with members of Mr. Jamar Clark’s family, with the leaders of Black Lives Matter Minneapolis, and with Congressman Keith Ellison. I expressed my sympathy to the members of Mr. Clark’s family and his community for their loss.

“We were joined by telephone by Assistant United States Attorney General Vanita Gupta, head of the Department’s Civil Rights Division and Anthony Newby of Neighborhoods Organizing for Change.

“I also reiterate my call for a Special Session of the Minnesota Legislature to address the racial disparities in North Minneapolis and elsewhere in Minnesota.

“And I will meet with leaders of Black Lives Matter Minneapolis and Neighborhoods Organizing for Change in December.”

http://www.fox9.com/news/52933437-story

As protesters remain outside the 4th Precinct headquarters, some police officers are worried that the situation could turn violent -- and that if they do, City Hall will not have their back.

"The cops feel like it's like a local version of Benghazi," Kroll of the police union told WCCO radio on Friday. "They are under siege. The mayor has directed the police chief to not help."

In an interview on WCCO radio, Kroll accused Police Chief Janée Harteau and Mayor Betsy Hodges of not listening to police concerns.

CNN affiliate WCCO-TV reported that some protesters have been spraying graffiti and throwing rocks at officers. Police said that they've found Molotov cocktails nearby.

Kroll said that the protesters need to be cleared out, and that the mayor "has directed the police chief to not help" -- a decision he says is politically charged.

"They need to get their political needs out of it. They need to allow the chief to be a chief and run the department and take feedback from her upper echelon," Kroll said.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/21/us/minneapolis-jamar-clark-police-shooting/

 

[bluesneakers]

Actually, that's half true. If 'paid city employees' cleaned up, then they're paid by the public -- and the protesters are part of the public. Some of them may have been paid OT, to which I say, good for them.

And as for the volunteer (though I'd guess there was more than one) -- I salute him/her/them, for exercising his/her/their right(s) do do what they choose for the public good.

Thank you for bring this to us -- it's good to see 'the system' working as it should. People use their rights to free speech, public servants get paid. That's why so many people fought for a democratically elected government with rights and freedoms.

And this is kind of awesome too:

Early Saturday afternoon, union leaders spoke at a rally in Minneapolis in support of activists protesting the shooting death of Clark.

One speaker, Alanna Galloway of the Communication Workers of America, says civil rights are workers' rights.

Kyle Edwards of AFSCME Local 3800, representing University of Minnesota clerical workers, says working class people are becoming aware that "we're all in this together."

Yes we are.

 

[K_Z]

Unions showing up at a rally for a criminal???? There is no possible connection between U of M clerical workers, and what happened in North Minneapolis. It's just too absurd to even wrap my head around. Just more people trying to gain some kind of political points, and insert themselves into the situation.

All of the activists and politicians inserting themselves into this is thoroughly disgusting, IMO. I cannot believe the Governor inserted himself into this, and actually met with BLM and the family. Good grief!! Did he meet with the officers and their families? Did he express concern and sympathy to them for the loss of their careers, and for the trauma they are going thru? Did he meet with the family of the 5 year old who was shot? Where no arrests have been made? Of course not. This is Dayton.

No one in any position of authority should be dignifying these protesters with attention and conversations, and pretending to "negotiate" with them. I completely disagree with that strategy. It only encourages their antisocial behavior, IMO, when we pretend what they are doing is somehow "valid", or a good way to effect any kind of change. If these activist leaders REALLY want to help their people, they will model and teach them how to fit into civilized society, and how to effect social change in a POSITIVE way. Then they will get the dignity and respect they want from everyone. With these kind of protests, we have to treat the crowds like they're toddlers always on the verge of a violent tantrum-- ready to melt down at a moment's notice, over any perceived slight, and flinging their toys all over the place. Toddlers with open flames and molotov cocktails, and guns.

This ceased to be a lawful, peaceable assembly when the rocks were thrown, the molotov cocktails, the graffiti, and the vandalism, etc. "Occupation" is not a lawful assembly. This kind of third world behavior is far, far beyond any kind of respectful, lawful, peaceful assembly. Benghazi, indeed-- more like "Minneapolistan".

 

[Woodland]

All of the activists and politicians inserting themselves into this is thoroughly disgusting, IMO.

RSBM

You and I are inserting ourselves into this by posting, along with many others - are we disgusting?

 

[ninij9]

After reading this thread (oh boy) I have to say that law abiding citizens don't get shot by police officers. I cannot for the life of me understand why people would want to take the side of violent career criminals. If it was about police brutality then protests would be held when white, Hispanic or Asian criminals lose their lives in the commission of a crime. These communities would be better served if they became outraged and protected when drugs are sold in their school yards and their own sons are in gangs, or dropped out of school becoming criminals themselves. In this ridiculous PC world no one will call a duck a duck. When I see these protests begin in behalf of ALL races, criminal pieces of dirt that get shot by LE, when I see you start a thread on a case like that, well then I will give some of these comments some weight. Until then I will never side with a criminal that could someday have hurt or killed an innocent over a Police officer.

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[Woodland]

What was the crime of Jack Yantis shot by LE in Idaho? No info, no videos etc released by LE to date.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...r%92s-wife-%91I-saw-them-murder-my-husband%92


There is another thread where a guy reaches into his vehicle to produce his drivers license as instructed by LE - then got shot for doing so.

Fwiw, people are not complaining about LE shootings in a justified way or for a justified act. What some object to is, not all acts justify someone getting shot. To some, LE shootings are out of control with no oversight. For me, would like to see that change in a hurry.

 

[K_Z]

Almost 50 years later, not a single thing has improved in North Minneapolis. It's far worse than it was before the 1967 riots there.

The residents, protesters, agitators, and activists don't want this community to be any different than the hell hole that it is. That's the bottom line. They *only* have ambition and energy when they decide to riot, commit crimes, and wail against laws, police, and the things of civilized society. Or wail about their "rights" and their welfare benefits.

Why don't the activists work to improve the community? Why do they tolerate children being shot? Why is no one rioting and occupying city hall over the 5 year old that was shot last week in north Minneapolis? No arrests in that shooting.

Why are BLM agitators not marching up to Mayor Betsy Hodges house and demanding that crime be controlled in their community? Why are they not demanding that the criminal who shot the 5 year old be apprehended? To me, that says they are just fine with children being shot by other criminals. They *only* care about criminals being shot by police.

http://www.startribune.com/north-minneapolis-echoes-of-the-unrest-in-1967/351540861/

This week is not the first time police and protesters have squared off along Plymouth Avenue in north Minneapolis. In 1967, the very same street saw some of the most destructive riots in city history. The legacy that persists from those clashes is something all sides should remember in the coming days and weeks.

That summer, 150 National Guard troops were deployed to the area. More than 30 fires blazed over three days. At least three people were wounded by gunfire, according to newspaper accounts.

 

[bluesneakers]

What crime did six-year-old Jeremy Mardis commit?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...in-shooting-death-of-6-year-old-Jeremy-Mardis

 

[Woodland]

Fwiw, find it quite gut-wrenching to read throughout this thread the words 'those people', 'these people', 'their people, 'them' and 'they' - the only translation I can perceive is - vs 'I', 'me' and 'our people'.

The great divide imo. As long as that persists can agree that nothing will change in the long term. Dialogue is impossible when separated by a mountain and/or a valley. It's a real shame when one sees millions upon millions paid out for LE shootings when that same money could be used to improve so much - including the great divide.

Jmo.

 

[Always Amazed]

Minneapolis community progress on the North Side.

Mpls. crime numbers good; community relations a work in progress:
http://www.mprnews.org/story/2015/01/15/minneapolis-crime

"The North Side has historically seen more crime and police presence than other parts of the city. North Minneapolis also contains neighborhoods with high concentrations of African-American residents.

Those factors have at times clashed, and led to sour feelings and distrust between some members of the black community and the police department."

 

[Always Amazed]

Counterpoint: Progress is ongoing on W. Broadway in north Minneapolis
There’s no holdup. Just a steady drumbeat of initiatives.

http://www.startribune.com/counterp...on-w-broadway-in-north-minneapolis/271147871/

"This is happening with for-profit, nonprofit and public partners focused on improving places and people simultaneously. To cite a common refrain among community development leaders, “if you improve the place without improving the people, the people will be pushed out, and if you improve the people without improving the place, the people will move out.” We are revitalizing buildings, increasing businesses and employing youths. We are seeing results."

 

[Always Amazed]

Northside Funders Group

http://northsi******ers.org/approach/levers/

Our members bring a depth of experience and commitment to North Minneapolis, a willingness to go beyond the grant, and a belief that North Minneapolis has the capacity to thrive through our collective impact agenda. These assets, leveraged by those of our partners, position us to ensure that we achieve the vision of North Minneapolis as a thriving, vibrant community.

 

[Always Amazed]

Part of the problem, corruption:

Feds indict former Community Action of Minneapolis director Bill Davis, son
Bill Davis and his son face charges in Community Action of Mpls. scandal.

http://www.startribune.com/feds-ind...inneapolis-director-bill-davis-son/326483701/

"A federal grand jury Thursday indicted the former director of the Community Action of Minneapolis and his son, a Minneapolis police officer, on charges of alleged theft and fraud for misusing $250,000 in taxpayer money."

 

[ninij9]

What crime did six-year-old Jeremy Mardis commit?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...in-shooting-death-of-6-year-old-Jeremy-Mardis

I said where are the protests? People are only protesting one type of shooting and it bothers me

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[bluesneakers]

I said where are the protests? People are only protesting one type of shooting and it bothers me

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You said:

I have to say that law abiding citizens don't get shot by police officers.

That's not true.

 

[Always Amazed]

Minneapolis looking to restart Community Action
City seeks to resurrect the agency with new leadership.

http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-looking-to-restart-community-action/315143761/

"Minneapolis city officials are looking to resurrect an organization that helps low-income residents get government assistance after a state raid forced it to shut down nearly a year ago.

The City Council is seeking proposals from organizations that want to be the new Community Action agency for Minneapolis, which would fill a giant hole for low-income residents who now must travel outside the city to get assistance from similar agencies."

 

[Always Amazed]

North Minneapolis Harrison Neighborhood Association:

http://www.hnampls.org/

 

[Always Amazed]

North Minneapolis Neighborhood Associations:

http://www.northmpls.org/page/show/769797-neighborhoods

 

[Always Amazed]

Almost 50 years later, not a single thing has improved in North Minneapolis. It's far worse than it was before the 1967 riots there.

The residents, protesters, agitators, and activists don't want this community to be any different than the hell hole that it is. That's the bottom line. They *only* have ambition and energy when they decide to riot, commit crimes, and wail against laws, police, and the things of civilized society. Or wail about their "rights" and their welfare benefits.

Why don't the activists work to improve the community? Why do they tolerate children being shot? Why is no one rioting and occupying city hall over the 5 year old that was shot last week in north Minneapolis? No arrests in that shooting.

Why are BLM agitators not marching up to Mayor Betsy Hodges house and demanding that crime be controlled in their community? Why are they not demanding that the criminal who shot the 5 year old be apprehended? To me, that says they are just fine with children being shot by other criminals. They *only* care about criminals being shot by police.

http://www.startribune.com/north-minneapolis-echoes-of-the-unrest-in-1967/351540861/

I believe I have posted some information that challenges your assertion that:

"The residents, protesters, agitators, and activists don't want this community to be any different than the hell hole that it is. That's the bottom line. They *only* have ambition and energy when they decide to riot, commit crimes, and wail against laws, police, and the things of civilized society. Or wail about their "rights" and their welfare benefits. "

FWIW I am a North Minneapolis resident and take great umbrage with your assertion that my community is a "hell hole". I also work a full time job and have never collected welfare.