MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #1

[blue22]

hmm so the coroner can determine the death to be just "homicide", but it wouldn't be known if it was criminal or justifiable until after a full investigation?

I imagine they need to wait until more information is available to determine if the homicide was accidental, justified...or something else.

 

[Jennifer17]

This woman, in her wildest dreams would never have thought that she would have been in any danger of being shot by police.

 

[HoneyWest]

But to be fair to officers in general, it is really difficult because one makes split second decisions under high pressure situations, which have life and death implications. And those high powered stressful situations are sandwiched by hours of routinely dull situations---so it is hard.

And in the back of the officers minds, there are the recent shootings of cops, where they are set up, ambushed, blindsided, etc, shot by snipers, or by people randomly walking by...So this frightening possibility is always putting them at high alert...

I am NOT defending this situation because at this time, it does not seem like there was any logical reason for this officer to have shot his weapon ---although maybe some new info may pop up...

I am just responding to the statement that there are too many officers who cannot handle sensitive situations...I think that there is a PTSD type of situation that is created, and sometimes things go sideways...

Yes, police work is hard. My Dad was a cop and never once fired his weapon while on duty. No one needs to explain that being an LEO is a dangerous job. It is what they sign up for. They get training on how and when to use deadly force, and they should live and breathe that training, like it's muscle memory; automatic response.

Unfortunately, there are many, many cops who just shouldn't be on the beat with a weapon. They don't have the steady nerves or the people skills to handle certain situations. They should have desk jobs instead. Then, there are the bad cops, and let me tell you, if you had any idea how many bad cops were on your local police force, you'd never leave your house. They are in every city, they cover for each other. Sorry if this bursts your bubble or makes you clutch your pearls, but it's true. They go their whole careers dirty and don't get caught.

I'm getting off topic here, but I am astounded that this thread has this much attention when unarmed people are killed over and over and over and there's hardly a blip on the radar.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

U.S. rookie cop who killed Sydney woman already under investigation

http://dailym.ai/2vvXDcA

Sad. First Somali-American in his precinct. Pretty much two lives cut short.

 

[human]

This woman, in her wildest dreams would never have thought that she would have been in any danger of being shot by police.

Exactly. White woman in upscale neighborhood.

To be snotty, I would like to post the same kind of comments about her that have been posted about the victims with brown skin shot by police.

When I got my speeding ticket about 4 years ago , before I knew the cops could shoot me dead, I dug around in my purse and in my cubby looking for needed info.

When I was in elementary school a million years ago, we were taught cops are your friend in my all white school. I don't think I could say that to anyone anymore

 

[MIKAYOYO]

Self delete.

 

[Jennifer17]

Exactly. White woman in upscale neighborhood.

To be snotty, I would like to post the same kind of comments about her that have been posted about the victims with brown skin shot by police.

When I got my speeding ticket about 4 years ago , before I knew the cops could shoot me dead, I dug around in my purse and in my cubby looking for needed info.

When I was in elementary school a million years ago, we were taught cops are your friend in my all white school. I don't think I could say that to anyone anymore

Some posts here have come pretty close to blaming her.

But not only being white in a nice neighbourhood, where she came from, she would not have been suspected by police of having a gun.

 

[mrsu]

I can already feel this is going to turn into a race thing. [emoji20] This black cop may end up being at fault for shooting a white woman whereas the many cops that have shot black men walk. More unrest to add to the racial inequality and tension. Our country is in a sad state of affairs right now. [emoji17][emoji17]

 

[human]

Yes, police work is hard. My Dad was a cop and never once fired his weapon while on duty. No one needs to explain that being an LEO is a dangerous job. It is what they sign up for. They get training on how and when to use deadly force, and they should live and breathe that training, like it's muscle memory; automatic response.

Unfortunately, there are many, many cops who just shouldn't be on the beat with a weapon. They don't have the steady nerves or the people skills to handle certain situations. They should have desk jobs instead. Then, there are the bad cops, and let me tell you, if you had any idea how many bad cops were on your local police force, you'd never leave your house. They are in every city, they cover for each other. Sorry if this bursts your bubble or makes you clutch your pearls, but it's true. They go their whole careers dirty and don't get caught.

I'm getting off topic here, but I am astounded that this thread has this much attention when unarmed people are killed over and over and over and there's hardly a blip on the radar.

My friend of 60 years married a cop. Her son is a cop. My friend divorced her cop husband after 10 years of marriage. What a nightmare . And the stories of the other cops. Wowsa.

Incest, arson, alcoholism, cheating on wives with prostitutes, gambling, domestic violence.driving while drunk. The blue brotherhood watches out for each other.,

 

[human]

Some posts here have come pretty close to blaming her.

But not only being white in a nice neighbourhood, where she came from, she would not have been suspected by police of having a gun.

Maybe. But with concealed carry in MN, her reporting a possible crime, and walkng down an alley, it is conceivable that she could have a gun and could have been using drugs or alcohol,

If she lived in North Minneapolis and had brown skin, these are the kinds of things people would be questioning about her. Did she reek of marijuana or alcohol? Did she have a black cellphone that looked like a gun or could have been perceived as a gun? Those would have been asked by people on here if she had been brown skinned.

 

[DatelineFan]

Yes, police work is hard. My Dad was a cop and never once fired his weapon while on duty. No one needs to explain that being an LEO is a dangerous job. It is what they sign up for. They get training on how and when to use deadly force, and they should live and breathe that training, like it's muscle memory; automatic response.

Unfortunately, there are many, many cops who just shouldn't be on the beat with a weapon. They don't have the steady nerves or the people skills to handle certain situations. They should have desk jobs instead. Then, there are the bad cops, and let me tell you, if you had any idea how many bad cops were on your local police force, you'd never leave your house. They are in every city, they cover for each other. Sorry if this bursts your bubble or makes you clutch your pearls, but it's true. They go their whole careers dirty and don't get caught.

I'm getting off topic here, but I am astounded that this thread has this much attention when unarmed people are killed over and over and over and there's hardly a blip on the radar.

I'm amazed that this thread has so much attention, too. I've started threads on these shootings, and there's like a handful of posts from a couple of people.

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[MIKAYOYO]

I can already feel this is going to turn into a race thing. [emoji20] This black cop may end up being at fault for shooting a white woman whereas the many cops that have shot black men walk. More unrest to add to the racial inequality and tension. Our country is in a sad state of affairs right now. [emoji17][emoji17]

I absolutely agree but there does seem to be a bit of a difference here. And he's not black, he's Somali which will likely add even more layers to the situation. Sad all the way around and yes our country is in a bad bad way. Moo

 

[MIKAYOYO]

My friend of 60 years married a cop. Her son is a cop. My friend divorced her cop husband after 10 years of marriage. What a nightmare . And the stories of the other cops. Wowsa.

Incest, arson, alcoholism, cheating on wives with prostitutes, gambling, domestic violence.driving while drunk. The blue brotherhood watches out for each other.,

Ok but that's in everything from priests to teachers to coaches to everyday parents.

 

[flourish]

If the officers have a valid warrant and you refuse them entry, police can make a forceful entry under well established exceptions to the warrant requirement of the constitution so by taking the time to call or refusing entry until another officer gets there could just lead to your door being broken down or a forceful entry.

The best way to deal with such a situation would simply be to ask to see the warrant


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Part of the reason for calling to confirm is to confirm they're actually police.

ETA just realized I'm a bit late in my response

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[DatelineFan]

I can already feel this is going to turn into a race thing. [emoji20] This black cop may end up being at fault for shooting a white woman whereas the many cops that have shot black men walk. More unrest to add to the racial inequality and tension. Our country is in a sad state of affairs right now. [emoji17][emoji17]

It has been in a sad state of affairs for many years. Before any of us were born.

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[MIKAYOYO]

I'm amazed that this thread has so much attention, too. I've started threads on these shootings, and there's like a handful of posts from a couple of people.

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White chicks get all the press. Just take a gander at the missing persons threads. Moo

 

[DatelineFan]

Ok but that's in everything from priests to teachers to coaches to everyday parents.

This is exactly why I've asked in other threads about people who will choose defending a cop who was wrong as their hill to die on. It's wild. When a teacher or parent kills someone, everyone can say, "oh, they should not have been in their position." But why on earth does so much of our society have trouble admitting when a cop was in the wrong position?

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[MIKAYOYO]

This is exactly why I've asked in other threads about people who will choose defending a cop who was wrong as their hill to die on. It's wild. When a teacher or parent kills someone, everyone can say, "oh, they should not have been in their position." But why on earth does so much of our society have trouble admitting when a cop was in the wrong position?

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I don't think so much of our society have trouble admitting a cop is at fault. Maybe those who acquit the cop do but there's many riots and protests showing that many don't have problem admitting cops at fault.

 

[HoneyWest]

This is exactly why I've asked in other threads about people who will choose defending a cop who was wrong as their hill to die on. It's wild. When a teacher or parent kills someone, everyone can say, "oh, they should not have been in their position." But why on earth does so much of our society have trouble admitting when a cop was in the wrong position?

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I believe because it's those very people who could never imagine themselves being screamed at or roughed up by a cop; that those things happen to other people.

 

[DatelineFan]

I don't think so much of our society have trouble admitting a cop is at fault. Maybe those who acquit the cop do but there's many riots and protests showing that many don't have problem admitting cops at fault.

I see it on WS a lot.

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