MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #1

[Betty P]

Yes, police work is hard. My Dad was a cop and never once fired his weapon while on duty. No one needs to explain that being an LEO is a dangerous job. It is what they sign up for. They get training on how and when to use deadly force, and they should live and breathe that training, like it's muscle memory; automatic response.

Unfortunately, there are many, many cops who just shouldn't be on the beat with a weapon. They don't have the steady nerves or the people skills to handle certain situations. They should have desk jobs instead. Then, there are the bad cops, and let me tell you, if you had any idea how many bad cops were on your local police force, you'd never leave your house. They are in every city, they cover for each other. Sorry if this bursts your bubble or makes you clutch your pearls, but it's true. They go their whole careers dirty and don't get caught.

I'm getting off topic here, but I am astounded that this thread has this much attention when unarmed people are killed over and over and over and there's hardly a blip on the radar.

Good comment. Thanks for the insight.

 

[MyBelle]

Or simply have a mental illness. How many times have we heard about a cop killing someone who was mentally ill and unarmed? Zachary Bearheels is the first to come to mind. Omaha isn't even charging the cops who killed him with anything.

That's why a culture of mistrust has been building toward the police. Also, IMO, there are too many people on the force who aren't fit to responsibly handle delicate situations without firing their weapons.

Bearheels wasn't shot, he was tazed and a couple of the cops are being fired.

 

[MyBelle]

You have posted your doubts before about if she was the one who called 911. Why are you doubting that?

Because police haven't confirmed. They also haven't confirmed she was wearing pajamas but it does make for colorful headlines if the goal is to immediately throw shade on police.

 

[HoneyWest]

Bearheels wasn't shot, he was tazed and a couple of the cops are being fired.

I never said he was shot. He was tased and beaten to death. For the killing of an unarmed man, the killers lost their jobs. They can gets jobs as police officers elsewhere. Zachary Bearheels is in the ground.

As a matter of fact, you can read all about it in the following thread:

NE - Police kill mentally ill Native man, Zachary Bearheels

 

[Jennifer17]

Bearheels wasn't shot, he was tazed and a couple of the cops are being fired.

Yes, he was tasered multiple times, even when he was incapacitated. Oh.....and a couple of them are being fired? Losing their jobs when they killed someone? Have you ever been fired from a job because you killed someone?

 

[everybodhi]

It is a bit of a mess. An Australian woman, shot by a Somali born policeman in the US. Many layers, none of which may mean anything, but lots for people to comment on, negatively or postively.

An Australian yoga/meditation teacher that was anti gun, a Muslim Somali rookie cop, I give this thread credit for not going off the rails.

 

[everybodhi]

One thing I thought was strange in this situation is that BOTH the cops were almost rookies. I am used to seeing new cops paired up with older more experienced ones. One had 2 yrs experience and the driver had only one.

I think that some of the bigger cities are having a harder time getting quality applicants for their academies. And there has been a drain, as many street cops have found other ways to make a living because of the strained situation.

I know there are bad cops, I am not a pearl clutcher. In fact, I think I might be looking at one in this particular case...:thinking:

BBM

This jumped out at me too, the driver has been on the force only one year, the shooter, two years.
The guess that's why they were assigned to a wealthy, low crime neighborhood.

 

[Jennifer17]

Because police haven't confirmed. They also haven't confirmed she was wearing pajamas but it does make for colorful headlines if the goal is to immediately throw shade on police.

Well, she is dead. No cameras turned on and you have repeatedly tried to blame her by suggesting that she was drunk or threatening or lying about the reason for the 911 call or now even doubting that she made it. She is not here to tell her story and any evidence of her behaviour could have been recorded, but they chose not to record it.

 

[katydid23]

It is a bit of a mess. An Australian woman, shot by a Somali born policeman in the US. Many layers, none of which may mean anything, but lots for people to comment on, negatively or postively.

Here are one or two layers, which I wonder about:

one----Noor Has Degrees In Business & Economics :
“has a Degree in Economics and Business Administration from Augsburg College. Prior to joining the Department he worked in Property Management primarily in commercial and residential properties both in Minneapolis and the St. Louis Missouri/ East Metro market. Officer Noor is excited to be on the 5th Precinct roster and looking forward to being a part of the community.”

[So this young man previously worked in residential/commercial management, and studied business/economics. ]


two: the police department wanted to hire Somali officers for their community policing program. So this business major/commercial realtor steps up and joins the department, -----WAS HE REALLY READY for this job?

“Officer Noor has been assigned to the 5th Precinct, where his arrival has been highly celebrated, particularly by the Somali community in and around Karmel Mall. The community even hosted a meet and greet event (see pics) to welcome him,” Hodges wrote. “A wonderful sign of building trust and community policing at work. Welcome Officer Noor and all of the new officers in their new precinct assignments across the City.”

At the time, one community member wrote on Facebook, “Somalis are taking the rightful place in the society and fully integrated. The newest Somali American Police in the Minneapolis PD, Officer Mohamed Noor…We are proud of our young law enforcement agents in our American Somali community. You have our support and we got your back.”

In 2015, the same year Noor was hired, the Minneapolis police force received national attention for its efforts to forge better ties with the Somali immigrant community.

https://heavy.com/news/2017/07/moha...k-minneapolis-police-officer-somali-mohammed/

So I have to wonder if this young man didn't get swept up in this effort by the department to forge better ties to the community, and yet they did not vet or train or prepare him properly?

I just really cannot see any valid explanation, at this time, for that shooting...:no:

 

[MyBelle]

I just saw another map that shows them encountering her in the alley behind her home, then again farther down the alley. The story of the officers doesn't add up. There seem to be some pieces missing, so to speak. The killer and his partner were the only witnesses to the murder. Given they chose not to wear their cameras, it's right to question their story. This should be fully investigated by independent experts, from outside the PD.

The officers haven't supplied us with any story. The officers were in their vehicles. I doubt officers routinely are required to have their body cameras rolling while in their vehicle.

 

[MyBelle]

Well, she is dead. No cameras turned on and you have repeatedly tried to blame her by suggesting that she was drunk or threatening or lying about the reason for the 911 call or now even doubting that she made it. She is not here to tell her story and any evidence of her behaviour could have been recorded, but they chose not to record it.

I haven't tried to blame her nor did I suggest she was drunk and we won't know that fact until the toxicology results are released. The fact is, we don't know the facts to judge the officer guilty of murder.

 

[cattlekate]

I just saw another map that shows them encountering her in the alley behind her home, then again farther down the alley. The story of the officers doesn't add up. There seem to be some pieces missing, so to speak. The killer and his partner were the only witnesses to the murder. Given they chose not to wear their cameras, it's right to question their story. This should be fully investigated by independent experts, from outside the PD.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4703892/Police-officer-shot-Justine-Damond-identified.html

This map shows the only encounter was at the end of the alley. I think #3 is just trying to show that the car was in the alley and driving to the end where Justine was.

She walked past 8 houses to the alley end, trying to figure out where the screaming was coming from. I wonder if she was talking with the 911 operator as she walked and waited.

 

[Jennifer17]

The officers haven't supplied us with any story. The officers were in their vehicles. I doubt officers routinely are required to have their body cameras rolling while in their vehicle.

No, they haven't supplied us with any story or to Justine's family.

They should have their cameras rolling when they interact with the public. I have to assume that their car was stationary seeing Justine was speaking to the driver.

 

[MyBelle]

Here are one or two layers, which I wonder about:

one----Noor Has Degrees In Business & Economics :
“has a Degree in Economics and Business Administration from Augsburg College. Prior to joining the Department he worked in Property Management primarily in commercial and residential properties both in Minneapolis and the St. Louis Missouri/ East Metro market. Officer Noor is excited to be on the 5th Precinct roster and looking forward to being a part of the community.”

[So this young man previously worked in residential/commercial management, and studied business/economics. ]


two: the police department wanted to hire Somali officers for their community policing program. So this business major/commercial realtor steps up and joins the department, -----WAS HE REALLY READY for this job?

“Officer Noor has been assigned to the 5th Precinct, where his arrival has been highly celebrated, particularly by the Somali community in and around Karmel Mall. The community even hosted a meet and greet event (see pics) to welcome him,” Hodges wrote. “A wonderful sign of building trust and community policing at work. Welcome Officer Noor and all of the new officers in their new precinct assignments across the City.”

At the time, one community member wrote on Facebook, “Somalis are taking the rightful place in the society and fully integrated. The newest Somali American Police in the Minneapolis PD, Officer Mohamed Noor…We are proud of our young law enforcement agents in our American Somali community. You have our support and we got your back.”

In 2015, the same year Noor was hired, the Minneapolis police force received national attention for its efforts to forge better ties with the Somali immigrant community.

https://heavy.com/news/2017/07/moha...k-minneapolis-police-officer-somali-mohammed/

So I have to wonder if this young man didn't get swept up in this effort by the department to forge better ties to the community, and yet they did not vet or train or prepare him properly?

I just really cannot see any valid explanation, at this time, for that shooting...:no:

I'm pretty sure all police recruits get the same training no matter what their race happens to be.

 

[Jennifer17]

Here are one or two layers, which I wonder about:

one----Noor Has Degrees In Business & Economics :
“has a Degree in Economics and Business Administration from Augsburg College. Prior to joining the Department he worked in Property Management primarily in commercial and residential properties both in Minneapolis and the St. Louis Missouri/ East Metro market. Officer Noor is excited to be on the 5th Precinct roster and looking forward to being a part of the community.”

[So this young man previously worked in residential/commercial management, and studied business/economics. ]


two: the police department wanted to hire Somali officers for their community policing program. So this business major/commercial realtor steps up and joins the department, -----WAS HE REALLY READY for this job?

“Officer Noor has been assigned to the 5th Precinct, where his arrival has been highly celebrated, particularly by the Somali community in and around Karmel Mall. The community even hosted a meet and greet event (see pics) to welcome him,” Hodges wrote. “A wonderful sign of building trust and community policing at work. Welcome Officer Noor and all of the new officers in their new precinct assignments across the City.”

At the time, one community member wrote on Facebook, “Somalis are taking the rightful place in the society and fully integrated. The newest Somali American Police in the Minneapolis PD, Officer Mohamed Noor…We are proud of our young law enforcement agents in our American Somali community. You have our support and we got your back.”

In 2015, the same year Noor was hired, the Minneapolis police force received national attention for its efforts to forge better ties with the Somali immigrant community.

https://heavy.com/news/2017/07/moha...k-minneapolis-police-officer-somali-mohammed/

So I have to wonder if this young man didn't get swept up in this effort by the department to forge better ties to the community, and yet they did not vet or train or prepare him properly?

I just really cannot see any valid explanation, at this time, for that shooting...:no:

I have to agree. It seems it was some PR exercise that was not well thought out.

 

[Betty P]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4703892/Police-officer-shot-Justine-Damond-identified.html

This map shows the only encounter was at the end of the alley. I think #3 is just trying to show that the car was in the alley and driving to the end where Justine was.

She walked past 8 houses to the alley end, trying to figure out where the screaming was coming from. I wonder if she was talking with the 911 operator as she walked and waited.

Thanks. I'm on my tablet and having a difficult 5 me reading the map. Hopefully more details will beforthcoming.

 

[MyBelle]

No, they haven't supplied us with any story or to Justine's family.

They should have their cameras rolling when they interact with the public. I have to assume that their car was stationary seeing Justine was speaking to the driver.

They don't have to supply the public with any facts while an investigation is underway. Woulda, shoulda, coulda after the fact is a waste of time.

 

[MyBelle]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4703892/Police-officer-shot-Justine-Damond-identified.html

This map shows the only encounter was at the end of the alley. I think #3 is just trying to show that the car was in the alley and driving to the end where Justine was.

She walked past 8 houses to the alley end, trying to figure out where the screaming was coming from. I wonder if she was talking with the 911 operator as she walked and waited.

I seriously doubt any 911 operator would advise her to go outside and investigate the screams herself.

 

[Jennifer17]

They don't have to supply the public with any facts while an investigation is underway. Woulda, shoulda, coulda after the fact is a waste of time.

I wouldn't call Justine's family, 'the public', would you? They have lost a fiance and a daughter and have had no info about that. I am not sure what your 'woulda, shoulda, coulda' means? Unless it means she is dead so her family is wasting their time expecting some information.

 

[Jennifer17]

I seriously doubt any 911 operator would advise her to go outside and investigate the screams herself.

She may have been in the alley when she rang them. I would do that.