MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #1

[jjenny]

Does anyone know what the typical response time for police is? (like is 8 minutes extremely unusual?) Like the rest of you, trying to figure out what happened/what could have contributed to Justine's death. I am NOT trying to justify Noor's actions in any way, just trying to understand what may have been going through his mind. Total speculation, but I am wondering if the fact that she placed 2 calls to 911 in a relatively short period of time (despite being unsure of what she was hearing) may have caused the officers to be suspicious of the motives. (again, not saying she did anything wrong at all or that even if this were the case the shooting was justified) I really wish they would release the actual audio from the 911 calls. MOO

Typical police response would vary from place to place.I don't see why placing two calls would be suspicious. Also presumably would depend on what is being reported. I don't think 8 minutes is extremely unusual (why would it be?). The second call was simply to check if police car was coming. That is if they even knew she placed two calls.

 

[CoolJ]

Typical police response would vary from place to place.I don't see why placing two calls would be suspicious. The second call was simply to check if police car was coming. That is if they even knew she placed two calls.

Well wasn't there some indication that Justine was panicky or paranoid or something. Hopefully the dispatcher didn't mistake her eagerness to help as paranoia and relayed that opinion to the 2 paranoid cops.....

 

[neesaki]

Thanks for the link but just between us----I'll bet you an ice cold root beer from the A&W that the information is wrong and Noor only fired at her once. Naturally, I could be wrong, but I just have a feeling that this reporting isn't accurate. We'll find out for sure very soon, I hope.

I read something like this in the beginning, then yesterday that she was running toward the car. I wonder why there are two different versions.

 

[Rocco]

i am not sure either...i just scoured my local news here in Minneapolis and can't find anything however one thing that I remember is the step son to be did a utube video next morning...it was raw...and he mentioned how "passionate" his "Mom" was...I remember thinking did she do something that the police misconstrued or what? Now given how short of a time they were there...had the code 4 no indication that they had checked in with the caller and are leaving...she could have pounded the car frankly in frustration trying to get them to stop and talk to her? Certainly as plausible as
hearing a "noise" and firing.

Code 4 did not mean they were leaving--it meant no further assistance needed. Clearly they didn't leave after they called in that Code 4 because she was shot 2 minutes later.

 

[Betty P]

Does anyone know what the typical response time for police is? (like is 8 minutes extremely unusual?) Like the rest of you, trying to figure out what happened/what could have contributed to Justine's death. I am NOT trying to justify Noor's actions in any way, just trying to understand what may have been going through his mind. Total speculation, but I am wondering if the fact that she placed 2 calls to 911 in a relatively short period of time (despite being unsure of what she was hearing) may have caused the officers to be suspicious of the motives. (again, not saying she did anything wrong at all or that even if this were the case the shooting was justified) I really wish they would release the actual audio from the 911 calls. MOO

I'm wondering about the 2 calls as well, for a different reason. It could be that Noor didn't think it was important to respond to a call about a possible sexual assault. When called a second time, they were compelled to respond. Noor may have been very annoyed, decided to do a cursory check and leave. When Justine came up to the car to explain what she heard, he may have lost his temper. Maybe he was just going to wave the gun at her to make her leave, but it discharged accidentally. Or maybe he was just angry.

I'd be interested to know how long Justine had been conversing with officer Harrity before Noor shot her. It would only take a few seconds of conversation (which Harrity said was taking place) for an officer to realize she wasn't any kind of threat to their safety, it's something they do countless times every day. If Harrity was having a conversation with her, he likely knew she wasn't threatening to them. Noor's response may not have been instantaneous and would explain why Harrity was so shocked that he shot her. It would be interesting to know if he's had issues with women in the past.


It would explain why Noor chose not to turn on the bodycams and would also explain his refusal to talk to his superiors. JMO, he's hiding more than a twitchy trigger finger. What kind of record does he have? Is he known to be a "hot-blooded" police officer, maybe someone who doesn't have patience when responding to routine calls he doesn't consider important?

 

[Damarna]

Code 4 did not mean they were leaving--it meant no further assistance needed. Clearly they didn't leave after they called in that Code 4 because she was shot 2 minutes later.

You are absolutely correct about what code 4 means! In the article linked it says they called a code 4 and we're indicating they were leaving the scene.

http://kstp.com/news/911-transcripts-justine-damond/4546802/?cat=1

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[Betty P]

Code 4 did not mean they were leaving--it meant no further assistance needed. Clearly they didn't leave after they called in that Code 4 because she was shot 2 minutes later.

And clearly, they didn't feel their safety was threatened or they would have asked for back up. Sounds like they weren't worried about anything.

 

[x_files]

without body cams or dashcam we only have his word against his partner and the victim. This concerns me.

 

[RandomName479]

As a Physician??

That's what an Anesthetist is....an MD who has specialized in anaesthesiology. Do you not trust the professional verification process? MOO

 

[Betty P]

without body cams or dashcam we only have his word against his partner and the victim. This concerns me.

And he's the one who decided not to turn on the bodycams or the lights to trigger the dashcam.

 

[x_files]

I'd love to believe this an accident but that decision not to turn on the bodycams worries me. Dirty cops?
Any stories of pimps or johns in this area? higher end escort service? cops on the take?

 

[RandomName479]

And he's the one who decided not to turn on the bodycams or the lights to trigger the dashcam.

In all fairness, Harrity could have activated his bodycam right after the shooting and the previous 30 seconds (ie: the shooting) would have been available for viewing. I completly disagree with Noor's actions, but both officers made the choice not to activate their bodycams. MOO

 

[Betty P]

Australian woman’s family hires Castile attorney


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...53480672286_story.html?utm_term=.1769bbfb1255

 

[Elley Mae]

Noor joined the police department two years ago. The Damond family's attorney, Bob Bennett, says he will be looking closely at Noor's training records and how he was hired.

"We don't want politically approved police officers," Bennett said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/justine-damond-friends-speak-out-minneapolis-shooting-death/

 

[Betty P]

In all fairness, Haggerity could have activated his bodycam right after the shooting and the previous 30 seconds (ie: the shooting) would have been available for viewing. I completly disagree with Noor's actions, but both officers made the choice not to activate their bodycams. MOO

He was probably in shock, having just had a woman shot dead just inches from his face. I haven't seen mention of this yet, but Noor put his partner in great danger, too. He could have easily been killed.

I credit Harrity for overcoming shock well enough to get out of the car to administer CPR. Noor was in charge. He should have been the one to turn on his bodycam.

 

[Rocco]

You are absolutely correct about what code 4 means! In the article linked it says they called a code 4 and we're indicating they were leaving the scene.

http://kstp.com/news/911-transcripts-justine-damond/4546802/?cat=1

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You're right---the writer of the article states that calling in a code 4 indicated they were leaving the scene, that's the author's take on it----but I don't agree. Different PDs differ somewhat in how they handle calls but usually when they finish a call, they call the dispatcher back and give the result of the call. Like "Call was unfounded and we're 10-8 (or back in service)". Or assault victim was transported to the hospital and we're 10-8 (back in service)" Or "We're unable to find anyone screaming, does the caller wish to speak to us---if not, we'll be 10-8". When they say they're leaving, they leave---and it doesn't take another 2 minutes to step on the gas and leave. Since they hadn't called the dispatcher back with the result of the call, I don't believe they were leaving just because the author of the article said they were. JMO

 

[turaj]

without body cams or dashcam we only have his word against his partner and the victim. This concerns me.

yes it concerns me too..i mean with full on video in the last case here in minneapolis the cop walked...and there have been others.had this case been in a different area of town he would have some potential riots if Noor was not arrested...but he now has by all accounts a very experienced defense attorney and they are working up a defense right now.

 

[anonypotomous]

My guess: Noor had no idea if he was shooting a male or female or sadly even an adult - could easily have been a teen or a child if they were out late. He got spooked, panicked, and shot at her before realizing she was an unarmed female.

Just MOO

I thought she was having a conversation with his partner. You don't think he heard her voice and figured out it was a female?

Unless she was pointing a gun at them, or was reaching inside the vehicle with a knife, there's NO reason for him to shoot. I hope he goes to jail for this.


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[Damarna]

You're right---the writer of the article states that calling in a code 4 indicated they were leaving the scene, that's the author's take on it----but I don't agree. Different PDs differ somewhat in how they handle calls but usually when they finish a call, they call the dispatcher back and give the result of the call. Like "Call was unfounded and we're 10-8 (or back in service)". Or assault victim was transported to the hospital and we're 10-8 (back in service)" Or "We're unable to find anyone screaming, does the caller wish to speak to us---if not, we'll be 10-8". When they say they're leaving, they leave---and it doesn't take another 2 minutes to step on the gas and leave. Since they hadn't called the dispatcher back with the result of the call, I don't believe they were leaving just because the author of the article said they were. JMO

The whole thing is hinky.

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[Tawny]

This is a wildly inaccurate assessment of the situation, and a thoroughly incorrect statement.

No offense intended, but wouldn't an RN likely know what she's talking about in this case?