MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #1

[Betty P]

Police had body cams that should have automatically recorded Justine Damond’s killing

https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/20/16004000/axon-minneapolis-police-justine-damond-body-cam

It sounds like Minneapolis taxpayers spent $4.7 million to purchase bodycams and $55,000 for a system to automatically turn bodycams on in a number of scenarios. It appears all of these systems were disabled by these patrolmen. It almost sounds as though this police department is refusing to use the equipment that taxpayers purchased for them to use, according to law.

Last year, the Minneapolis Police Department paid $55,800 for products designed to automatically record police interactions without officers having to worry about manually turning on their body cameras.

According to documents obtained by The Verge through Minnesota’s Freedom of Information Act, the department arranged to purchase 200 Axon Signal Units in March 2016. The Axon Signal Unit is an automatic recording product designed to be installed in a police cruiser. It is capable of turning on an officer’s body camera in a number of circumstances, such as when the cruiser’s light bar is engaged, when its crash sensors are activated, when it reaches a certain speed, when its front and rear doors are opened, or when nearby dashboard cameras or body cameras are switched on. “Signal guarantees that all footage goes recorded and saved,” according to online sales materials from Axon Enterprise, Minneapolis PD’s body camera provider.

This needs full investigation to determine who has been disabling these systems to auto-record the bodycams. It's against the law to do so.

ETA: Maybe this is a smoking gun. If Minneapolis PD had their system rigged to start bodycams when lights are activated, it indicates they didn't turn on their lights because they didn't want to activate the bodycams.

 

[kittycat3]

My opinion - Noor will likely will live in the shadow of this his whole life. Maybe his kid too. I don't think having him sit in jail is justice, at taxpayer expense, not supporting or caring for his kid, to what end? Justine is gone forever.
It's unlikely Noor will ever work as a cop again and he is facing an upheaval of his whole life. This is not getting off scot free.....

 

[Betty P]

My opinion - Noor will likely will live in the shadow of this his whole life. Maybe his kid too. I don't think having him sit in jail is justice, at taxpayer expense, not supporting or caring for his kid, to what end? Justine is gone forever.
It's unlikely Noor will ever work as a cop again and he is facing an upheaval of his whole life. This is not getting off scot free.....

Really? He needs to be held to the same level of accountability as anyone who kills another. Do you really think he'll spend the rest of his life feeling badly about this? More likely, he'll spend his time blaming others for his mistakes and feeling like a martyr for having lost his job because of some pushy woman who didn't know her place. It's evident thus far his number 1 priority isn't making amends for the death of this woman, but in protecting his own arse.

 

[blue22]

My opinion - Noor will likely will live in the shadow of this his whole life. Maybe his kid too. I don't think having him sit in jail is justice, at taxpayer expense, not supporting or caring for his kid, to what end? Justine is gone forever.
It's unlikely Noor will ever work as a cop again and he is facing an upheaval of his whole life. This is not getting off scot free.....

Since when does a person's life sucking, because they made a criminal choice...assuage them from legal ramifications? What about HER family, who has to live under the shadow of HER death and the grief of HER killing? They shouldn't get legal justice, because killing her makes it hard on the dude? I mean...come on.

This thread is getting crazy town. I feel like I'm on a completely different website with this one.

 

[Tawny]

My opinion - Noor will likely will live in the shadow of this his whole life. Maybe his kid too. I don't think having him sit in jail is justice, at taxpayer expense, not supporting or caring for his kid, to what end? Justine is gone forever.
It's unlikely Noor will ever work as a cop again and he is facing an upheaval of his whole life. This is not getting off scot free.....

Seriously? "He has to live with this" is not at all a good reason to just let someone walk after taking a life, even if it's accidental. Compare him having to live with this to Justine not being alive to live with anything. No.

If a civilian discharges a firearm and it kills a person, they are going to at LEAST be charged with manslaughter. Add in the fact that a police officer is in a position of authority and allegedly has way more firearms training than the average citizen, the penalty for "accidental" taking of life should be MORE severe. JMO

 

[Betty P]

Since when does a person's life sucking, because they made a criminal choice...assuage them from legal ramifications? What about HER family, who has to live under the shadow of HER death and the grief of HER killing? They shouldn't get legal justice, because killing her makes it hard on the dude? I mean...come on.

This thread is getting crazy town. I feel like I'm on a completely different website with this one.

Even worse, her family has to deal with her killer and others blaming her for her own death. I have a feeling it will be much more difficult for LE to sweep this under the rug. The public is getting fed up with all these killings of innocent people.

 

[Karinna]

Even worse, her family has to deal with her killer and others blaming her for her own death. I have a feeling it will be much more difficult for LE to sweep this under the rug. The public is getting fed up with all these killings of innocent people.

I agree, people are sick of the lame excuses and rightly so. Isn't LE's job to serve & protect?

 

[Tricia]

I know their job is tough but they are way down on the list of risky jobs, according to Dept of Labor stats.

I was answering the question about my personal relationship with cops being different than when I was a kid in the 60's and I definitely see a difference, but certainly police have been disproportionately focused on POC since slavery and many confrontations were never even reported back then, everyone has a cell phone camera now so we see things we would never see before.
It's a good idea to film any interaction you have with the police nowadays, I wish Justine had her camera recording that night.

The paramilitary dress, from blue to black, has changed the vibe from "protect and serve" that I was taught and SCOTUS has confirmed the police have no obligation to protect me.

"Nevertheless, the Court found that the government had no affirmative duty to protect any person, even a child, from harm by another person. “Nothing in the language of the Due Process Clause itself requires the State to protect the life, liberty, and property of its citizens against invasion by private actors,” stated Chief Justice Rehnquist for the majority, “even where such aid may be necessary to secure life, liberty, or property interests of which the government itself may not deprive the individual” without “due process of the law.”"
http://www.barneslawllp.com/police-not-required-protect/

I noticed on my trips to Holland, the cops are so nice they have "Politie" written in big letters on their uniforms.

Hi Everyone,
We need to keep this thread about the case. If you want to discuss in general police tactics/behavior please do so in our Politivent forum. Thank you
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...is-police-shoot-and-kill-woman-who-called-911

 

[RandomName479]

Police had body cams that should have automatically recorded Justine Damond’s killing

https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/20/16004000/axon-minneapolis-police-justine-damond-body-cam

It sounds like Minneapolis taxpayers spent $4.7 million to purchase bodycams and $55,000 for a system to automatically turn bodycams on in a number of scenarios. It appears all of these systems were disabled by these patrolmen. It almost sounds as though this police department is refusing to use the equipment that taxpayers purchased for them to use, according to law.



This needs full investigation to determine who has been disabling these systems to auto-record the bodycams. It's against the law to do so.

ETA: Maybe this is a smoking gun. If Minneapolis PD had their system rigged to start bodycams when lights are activated, it indicates they didn't turn on their lights because they didn't want to activate the bodycams.

None of the situations listed happened in this case.....lights weren't on, car didn't crash, doors weren't open, they weren't speeding......what makes you state that they manually turned the body cameras off? I completely agree that the shooting should have been recorded, but I think it's a stretch to say they were manually disabled. MOO

 

[turaj]

The neighbors stated the alley is well lit. There are 4 different street lights. To claim this murder happened due to fear of an ambush is ludicrous. It was a safe, low-crime neighborhood. No excuses.

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/07/2...y-disputes-officers-ambush-fears-as-ludicrous

I just went for a bike ride and went by the spot where this happened. Amazing the media is all but gone...there were tents and satelites a couple of days ago but almost nothing but a flower memorial and sign. And more importantly there is a BIG LIGHT RIGHT IN THE SPOT at the end of this alley where this went down...one of the newer mercury vapor (I think this is the kind) and they give good light. And another a bit further down towards their home. This defense about dark etc. is nonsense and will be disproved if Noor is brought to justice.

 

[turaj]

Here is one possibility based on the limited amount of info we have. Please feel free to correct me if I have my facts wrong.

Cops drive into the alley with at least one window rolled down to investigate. They don’t hear anything so they decide to drive around to the front where I presume the front door is, to speak to the caller. Damond sees this from the alley and thinks they may me leaving so she either approaches the car or even knocks on the window or fender. When she get close to or at the window the officer who is already concerned about his safety since he has his gun drawn panics and shoots. To me he either has absolutely no care or concern for his partner or he was afraid because shooting in the car that close to the partner was extremely dangerous to the driver. Either way he was not fit to carry a gun and needs to be held accountable. As I’ve said it the past this department will do more harm if they try to circle the wagons and make excuses for this guy

i agree with this except I think she saw them exiting the alley and that is where this happened...I think she may have even hit the car to get their attention.

 

[turaj]

Was there no cctv footage anywhere around there i wonder? Sometimes people in private residences have cctv cameras around their homes too. It's very difficult when it seems no one around saw exactly what transpired and how this occurred IMO.

they said some do have cameras and I suspect that info will come out in time.

 

[turaj]

Now that is a crazy case....

Which is exactly why I think Noor is gonna walk. He will lose his job and likely get indicted but all he has to do is say the magic words ..... " I was in fear for my life" and he can now follow it up with the new magic words .... " i thought it was an ambush"

Oh yeah, he is gonna get away scot free and since policing is his calling, he will likely end up on the job somewhere else once all this blows over and is long forgotten.

It was all just an accident dontcha know!

coolj...I think you could be right..I mean they cannot even get them convicted of anything with full video.

 

[turaj]

Even worse, her family has to deal with her killer and others blaming her for her own death. I have a feeling it will be much more difficult for LE to sweep this under the rug. The public is getting fed up with all these killings of innocent people.

i think this one will be very tough to sweep under the rug...I assume if LE does not indict him the family can take it up in civil court. i frankly don't want this guy walking my streets!!

 

[Rocco]

Now that is a crazy case....

Which is exactly why I think Noor is gonna walk. He will lose his job and likely get indicted but all he has to do is say the magic words ..... " I was in fear for my life" and he can now follow it up with the new magic words .... " i thought it was an ambush"

Oh yeah, he is gonna get away scot free and since policing is his calling, he will likely end up on the job somewhere else once all this blows over and is long forgotten.

It was all just an accident dontcha know!

If he was in fear for his life and thought it was an ambush, why the heck wouldn't he SAY that----like in an INTERVIEW-----which he's refusing to do. I'm thinking he's not saying that because he knows his partner has been interviewed and probably hasn't made that claim. Also, they did turn on the body cams after she was shot. There must be conversation on them. What if the other cop can be heard saying "What the heck did you just do????" and Noor's response is "I don't know---I just saw someone approach and shot at them" Or something along those lines. If that's the case and a jury hears that, who's going to believe any excuse he and his attorney now come up with? I wonder when they're going to release what was said after the shooting. Now that should be interesting!

 

[turaj]

If he was in fear for his life and thought it was an ambush, why the heck wouldn't he SAY that----like in an INTERVIEW-----which he's refusing to do. I'm thinking he's not saying that because he knows his partner has been interviewed and probably hasn't made that claim. Also, they did turn on the body cams after she was shot. There must be conversation on them. What if the other cop can be heard saying "What the heck did you just do????" and Noor's response is "I don't know---I just saw someone approach and shot at them" Or something along those lines. If that's the case and a jury hears that, who's going to believe any excuse he and his attorney now come up with? I wonder when they're going to release what was said after the shooting. Now that should be interesting!

what is the source for saying the body cams were turned on after the shooting? I have not heard that at all.

I think this line of defense is what we are going to hear from Noor:"It looks increasingly likely Noor’s defence will be that he panicked and believed his squad car was attack after a loud noise — described by some sources as a banging on the car — and seeing a figure rushing in the dark towards them."

Right now that has no basis in fact other than the bits and pieces out there but I think that will end up being the defense. Some interesting comments from neighbors In New Hope Mn. that do not paint a very nice picture of Mr. Noor.

 

[Rocco]

i think this one will be very tough to sweep under the rug...I assume if LE does not indict him the family can take it up in civil court. i frankly don't want this guy walking my streets!!

In all these officer involved shootings there are people in LE who speak out and either defend what they did or condemn what they did and give their reasons why---just like the posters here. There's no one speaking out of behalf of what Noor did. . No one. (That I've heard of anyway.)

 

[Rocco]

what is the source for saying the body cams were turned on after the shooting? I have not heard that at all.

I think this line of defense is what we are going to hear from Noor:"It looks increasingly likely Noor’s defence will be that he panicked and believed his squad car was attack after a loud noise — described by some sources as a banging on the car — and seeing a figure rushing in the dark towards them."

Right now that has no basis in fact other than the bits and pieces out there but I think that will end up being the defense. Some interesting comments from neighbors In New Hope Mn. that do not paint a very nice picture of Mr. Noor.

It's in one of the Tribune articles. I posted the link to the article awhile back.

 

[turaj]

In all these officer involved shootings there are people in LE who speak out and either defend what they did or condemn what they did and give their reasons why---just like the posters here. There's no one speaking out of behalf of what Noor did. . No one. (That I've heard of anyway.)

Noor had a lawyer before he even left the scene that night....now I hear all these people calling him jumpy....nervous etc. and have to ask what in the world is going on at the MPD.

 

[turaj]

just imagine being Officer Harrity at this point...his "partner" has shut down and will not talk and you are left to try to answer questions. I hope he continues to be helpful but I imagine he faces some charge too in terms of not having the cam on etc.