MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #2

[Tippy Lynn]

Though I hate to see this discussion continue, I have to agree. I've actually gone to quite a few rallies and protests for young black people who have been killed by LE in our area. Sent emails, tweeted, etc.

Everyone deserves justice, regardless of race, gender, etc. I'm appalled that any activist against police violence would think that Justine doesn't deserve justice or doesn't deserve media coverage and protests to push for a full investigation. I've been "leftie" activist for decades and that's now how this works. If you're going to go to the barricades, you do it for everyone, even white women.

We protest together, as a national community, or we won't accomplish anything.

You nailed it and I completely agree with you on this. :loveyou:

 

[turaj]

So far, the man who shot Justine is walking away free. He's on paid leave and has the full backing of the police union and the board investigating the shooting. Doesn't look anything like swift justice. Bad cops don't discriminate, they're just as willing to kill someone regardless of race, religion, immigration status, etc.

if you are assuming he has full backing by the police union I think you may be wrong. You don't know that nor can you assume anything from their silence. In fact many local commentators are noting the silence may indicate a lack of backing as they have no plausible defense yet. You can be sure if the facts were coming in via Harrity and Noor's atty that there were circumstances that reasonably let to this the union would be talking. the only statement they have made is they did not violate the rules for body cams and those rules are changing this Sat. Why it took this no answer...but I don't feel Noor has any "backing" at this point...as for being on paid leave...boy there are so many right now on "paid leave" maybe that needs to change too?

 

[Tawny]

So outrage isn't enough? It has to be a certain kind of outrage from the right people for you to be satisfied? Ok.. smh


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If that's what you feel I said, then sure. Whatever.

 

[Elley Mae]

Why can't cases stand on there own? Why do they have to be compared to other cases?

 

[Tawny]

Why can't cases stand on there own? Why do they have to be compared to other cases?

To make a point.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I feel the reason for this (and it goes way deeper than my one post could possibly cover) is that it's not a widespread problem for white people to be shot by police, whereas it's a near-constant threat for black citizens. That's my understanding of it. It's been a pressure cooker for black citizens for decades and it boils over because there is so much anger. White people don't face that daily pressure, so when it happens, it feels more like an outrageous tragedy than a direct assault. JMO, of course.

i absolutely agree with you....the "pressure cooker" term is perfect...it is a build up year after year and it is boiling over now.

BBM - You said it best, it's not a widespread problem for white people to be shot by police, whereas it's a near-constant threat for black citizens.

I am ashamed that I can say with 100% certainty that in most circumstances I would feel added pressure and fear if I were black. That is truly sad!!!

 

[Elley Mae]

Betsy hodges will do what she can to get Noor off.

 

[Betty P]

I think the intent of BLM was to have their voices heard and to gain the much needed attention. I don't think the original intent was for the protests to be what they've become with shutting down interstates, violence, etc., It doesn't matter how you look at it it's sad. BL do matter, as all lives do. The big question is how do we get everyone to unite and end the disparity? Where do we go from here?

My son has been active helping our local BLM and similar groups, teaching them non-violence tactics, etc. so I've learned a lot from him. BLM is a diverse group. They differ from city to city. In our area, where there have been quite a few innocent blacks killed by LE, not everyone belongs to the local BLM. Some groups have organized on their own because they support non-violence. The groups protest together, but when violence begins, my son's group takes evasive action - they watch for early signs and move away. They know how to ramp up a protest without destroying property or putting anyone at risk. They also know how to avoid the LE tricks used to put protestors in bad situations (google "kettling").

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/dec/10/kettled-shocking-experience

Black protest groups are not a monolith. They're all different and they engage in protest in different ways. Same with Native American and other groups. Groups are also on the watch for agents provocateur, people who disguise themselves as protestors in order to engage in and incite violence in order to make protesting groups look bad. My son even teaches a class on how to spot and avoid them in a protest or at a meeting. He also taught me never to let police into my home without a search warrant. Calmly step outside, close your door behind you and very politely tell them you'd like to help, but you can't and they can talk to your lawyer. The latter is why I'm so uneasy about them swiftly going into Justine's home after her death. There was no good reason for that.

Americans are uncomfortable with peaceful public protests, but they're common and accepted in Europe. Americans need to learn to become comfortable with non-violent civil disobedience. It's part of our history. Our ancestors engaged in it.

 

[bluesneakers]

Why can't cases stand on there own? Why do they have to be compared to other cases?

Because everything is connected in this big world we live in.

 

[Betty P]

Because everything is connected in this big world we live in.

Agree, if legitimate, they all deserve support, including Justine's.

 

[Elley Mae]

Because everything is connected in this big world we live in.

That's your opinion not mine.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

My son has been active helping our local BLM and similar groups, teaching them non-violence tactics, etc. so I've learned a lot from him. BLM is a diverse group. They differ from city to city. In our area, where there have been quite a few innocent blacks killed by LE, not everyone belongs to the local BLM. Some groups have organized on their own because they support non-violence. The groups protest together, but when violence begins, my son's group takes evasive action - they watch for early signs and move away. They know how to ramp up a protest without destroying property or putting anyone at risk. They also know how to avoid the LE tricks used to put protestors in bad situations (google "kettling").

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/dec/10/kettled-shocking-experience

Black protest groups are not a monolith. They're all different and they engage in protest in different ways. Same with Native American and other groups. Groups are also on the watch for agents provocateur, people who disguise themselves as protestors in order to engage in and incite violence in order to make protesting groups look bad. My son even teaches a class on how to spot and avoid them in a protest or at a meeting. He also taught me never to let police into my home without a search warrant. Calmly step outside, close your door behind you and very politely tell them you'd like to help, but you can't and they can talk to your lawyer. The latter is why I'm so uneasy about them swiftly going into Justine's home after her death. There was no good reason for that.

Americans are uncomfortable with peaceful public protests, but they're common and accepted in Europe. Americans need to learn to become comfortable with non-violent civil disobedience. It's part of our history. Our ancestors engaged in it.

Thanks for sharing. I think what your son is doing is fantastic! There's always bad apples that ruin good things and a lot of times people don't realize there's more to the story, like the people or groups that intentionally try to make the protesters look bad.

I thnk Americans are uncomfortable with public protests because of the violence that's come from so many of them. When Americans hear of a protest they automatically think outrage and violence. More and more we hear different terms being used in place of protest, i.e., peaceful march, solidarity walk, etc.,

It takes a lot to get an entire nation walking in the same direction, but I have hope that we'll get there one step at a time.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I have to get back to my daily grind, but I'll check back later. I hope everyone has a great day!!

 

[Betty P]

What do you mean by every case like this one?

Every case of the death (or injury) of an innocent person as a result of LE violence. There have been quite a few here and sadly the trend isn't slowing down. It's depressing.

 

[bluesneakers]

Every case of the death (or injury) of an innocent person as a result of LE violence. There have been quite a few here and sadly the trend isn't slowing down. It's depressing.

Four so far this month. But that's only cases that have threads here.

And two days ago the charges against Ray Tensing were dismissed.

 

[katydid23]

Every case of the death (or injury) of an innocent person as a result of LE violence. There have been quite a few here and sadly the trend isn't slowing down. It's depressing.

Have you ever protested against the death or injury of an innocent police officer as a result of gang violence? There have been quite a few here lately and sadly the trend isn't slowing down....

 

[Tawny]

Have you ever protested against the death or injury of an innocent police officer as a result of gang violence? There have been quite a few here lately and sadly the trend isn't slowing down....

There is so much to unpack with this post so I just won't. SO much difference between the two.

 

[lonetraveler]

I am sorry you found a two minute post so taxing. Perhaps to save yourself the effort next time you should just bypass my posts and scroll and roll.

I don't recall anyone saying police officers have a right to just fire or shoot someone just because they are fearful. And very little of them ever do an unjustifiable shooting compared to the 1.2 million collective police forces in our nation. Most all show great restraint even though thousands themselves are attacked and assaulted every year.

I have made it crystal clear I believe this was an unjustifiable shooting and Noor should be charged with homicide and I hope he is punished severely.

All the training in the world is not going to change certain individuals that shouldn't have been allowed to become police officers in the first place who slipped through the net.

In large cities hundreds of police recruits at one time are trained exactly the same way. The vast majority of those who manage to survive the police academy and go on to graduate will use their police training skills to become good officers but like in all professions no amount of training will ever make a few of them become the police officers they should be.

There really is no reason to scream your words at me Tawny. I can read normal font just fine.

IMO

Great Post!

 

[bluesneakers]

Have you ever protested against the death or injury of an innocent police officer as a result of gang violence? There have been quite a few here lately and sadly the trend isn't slowing down....

Was Justine in a gang?

 

[katydid23]

There is so much to unpack with this post so I just won't. SO much difference between the two.

Really? SO much different ?

When Officer Miosotis Familia, mother of 3, was shot in the head in an unprovoked NYC attack----that is just so very much different?