MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #2

[Tawny]

the family is cooperating at this point with whatever the investigation requires. I will agree I imagine they are very concerned because some of the things they were going for implied that Justine has committed the crime. I suspect they will keep quiet until they see if Noor will be charged...if not I too as a family member would take further legal action.

TBH, the moment they start "investigating" reasons why he may have pulled the trigger, as a family member, I'd likely grab me a lawyer and keep my mouth shut. They are going to use everything that family says against the victim. Ugh.

 

[grammieto5]

So Justine slapped the back of the car and she was shot in the stomach through the driver’s side by the person sitting in the passenger seat. Maybe if Noor had been required to have a degree in criminal justice instead of business he would not have shot an innocent person.

 

[katydid23]

i don't know about all of the statistics but I can tell you that crime violent or other is definitely on the rise here...thus you see the police department in crisis...a mayor under fire and it is a common discussion among residents. Sorry don't care what the numbers are we have stabbings and murders routinely here and per capita bet it is as bad as some of the mega cities in US

That is the context I am trying to bring forward.

I just want to be fair to the police in general. I think officer Noor FAILED and should be charged, with manslaughter at very least.

But I do want to stand up for the police, in general, because I see so many here slamming and bashing them. And it hurts my heart. I know some very dedicated, sincere heroic officers.

 

[katydid23]

Are the police at war with citizens?

That is the problem. They are not at war with 95% of the people they see every day. But then suddenly they are confronted with enemies who want to kill them. And it happens quickly, sometimes with no warning.

 

[turaj]

So did they find her fingerprints on the patrol car? If not, they shouldn't be telling the news media that she "banged" on the car.

i believe Harrity told them "someone" banged on the car...they are actually considering it may have been someone else...covering their bases I guess and the results will not be released until the final review...unless leaked.

 

[HoneyWest]

That is the context I am trying to bring forward.

I just want to be fair to the police in general. I think officer Noor FAILED and should be charged, with manslaughter at very least.

But I do want to stand up for the police, in general, because I see so many here slamming and bashing them. And it hurts my heart. I know some very dedicated, sincere heroic officers.

And I've known some too during my lifetime. But the fact is, there are too many people who are not cut out to be police officers. I've said this over and over...they may be good people, but just don't have what it takes to be a good cop. The other category are the dirty cops and they are in every city and every state. Even a lot of the good cops cover for the bad ones. The scary thing is that you never know what you're going to get when you're pulled over or call 911.

If any person is now, in 2017, too nervous, jumpy, afraid, paranoid, etc. to properly handle situations like these without killing innocent citizens, they need a desk job if they want to stay with the force or just turn in the badge and do something else.

 

[CoolJ]

http://kstp.com/news/bca-search-warrant-justine-damond-australia/4552551/?cat=1

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Law expert is confused why this warrant was signed off on. Feels there was not probable cause.

"When I read that search warrant, I really cannot find probable cause to search her home," he continued.

According to court documents, investigators applied for the warrant on the following grounds:

The property or things above-described was used as a means of committing a crime

The possession of the property or things above-described constitutes a crime.

The property or things above-described is in the possession of a person with intent to use such property as a means of committing a crime, or the property or things so intended to be used are in the possession of another to whom they have been delivered for the purpose of concealing them or preventing their being discovered.

The property or things above-described constitutes evidence which tends to show a crime has been committed, or tends to show that a particular person has committed a crime.



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WTF!! They got a warrant to search Justine's home?

WTF!!!!

 

[katydid23]

And I've known some too during my lifetime. But the fact is, there are too many people who are not cut out to be police officers. I've said this over and over...they may be good people, but just don't have what it takes to be a good cop. The other category are the dirty cops and they are in every city and every state. Even a lot of the good cops cover for the bad ones. The scary thing is that you never know what you're going to get when you're pulled over or call 911.

If any person is now, in 2017, too nervous, jumpy, afraid, paranoid, etc. to properly handle situations like these without killing innocent citizens, they need a desk job if they want to stay with the force or just turn in the badge and do something else.

I totally agree. But I don't see the quality of academy applicants improving any time soon. They are not getting top quality applicants because of the current situation.

Some of the police shootings have been unjustified or questionable. But not all of them. And recent events have spurred the public on to question and label ALL police shootings as unjustified and as flat out murders. That is totally wrong and makes all the cops nervous and worried about having to use any force.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

That is the context I am trying to bring forward.

I just want to be fair to the police in general. I think officer Noor FAILED and should be charged, with manslaughter at very least.

But I do want to stand up for the police, in general, because I see so many here slamming and bashing them. And it hurts my heart. I know some very dedicated, sincere heroic officers.

My posts are not directed at police officers as a whole. I have an enormous amount of respect for police officers and their duties. I wouldn't want their jobs even if it paid a huge salary. I would be a train wreck, push over and it's safe to say that no matter how much training I had I would suck at it. Thankfully, one officer doesn't represent the entire police force. If it did we would be in more trouble than we would dare to admit.

 

[bluesneakers]

And I've known some too during my lifetime. But the fact is, there are too many people who are not cut out to be police officers. I've said this over and over...they may be good people, but just don't have what it takes to be a good cop. The other category are the dirty cops and they are in every city and every state. Even a lot of the good cops cover for the bad ones. The scary thing is that you never know what you're going to get when you're pulled over or call 911.

If any person is now, in 2017, too nervous, jumpy, afraid, paranoid, etc. to properly handle situations like these without killing innocent citizens, they need a desk job if they want to stay with the force or just turn in the badge and do something else.

I think it's not just paranoia and fear. There's also aggression and anger, ignorance, and sometimes racism. Sometimes it's like they just get impatient and shoot to get something over with. I wonder if impatience played a role in this case? Maybe they were pulling away from her because they'd lost their patience and were tired of dealing with her.

You see cops on videos dealing with citizens - they're not afraid. They're being aggressive jerks and that's why they end up recorded.

Not that it makes it any better. This is a problem decades in the making and it's going to take awhile to figure out how to address and fix it.

I've followed so many shootings and in many cases it's so obvious the officer wasn't in any danger. They all go back to that though, because it's what wins for them.

 

[HoneyWest]

I totally agree. But I don't see the quality of academy applicants improving any time soon. They are not getting top quality applicants because of the current situation.

Some of the police shootings have been unjustified or questionable. But not all of them. And recent events have spurred the public on to question and label ALL police shootings as unjustified and as flat out murders. That is totally wrong and makes all the cops nervous and worried about having to use any force.

I don't think they're not getting top quality applicants because of the current situation. It's always been this way! Years ago, we didn't have dash cams and cell phones so police brutality and violence happened and cops were NOT afraid. If they are putting on their uniforms today and are afraid they might have to use force, then they're not fit for the job.

 

[jjenny]

WTF!! They got a warrant to search Justine's home?

WTF!!!!

Trying to find anything to cover their behind? Boggles the mind.

 

[jjenny]

per 6pm local news Minneapolis search warrants which are now public said they searched the alley and took fingerprints off the car based on report that she "banged" on the car...so should be able to know that it was her...also searched her house for any medications or other substances...bodily fluids...any signs of an attack in the house...this was all done with total cooperation of the family. Must be awful to be family of the victim and have such an investigation going on and still no word from Noor.

When did they do it, exactly? As far as I can tell, that night Justine was the only one home. Fiancee was away on a trip.

 

[katydid23]

I don't think they're not getting top quality applicants because of the current situation. It's always been this way! Years ago, we didn't have dash cams and cell phones so police brutality and violence happened and cops were NOT afraid. If they are putting on their uniforms today and are afraid they might have to use force, then they're not fit for the job.

I don't understand that bolded part.

Why would they be 'unfit for the job' if they are afraid they might have to use force? ----given today's attitude towards cops use of force it makes sense they would be afraid. JMO

 

[HoneyWest]

I don't understand that bolded part.

Why would they be 'unfit for the job' if they are afraid they might have to use force? ----given today's attitude towards cops use of force it makes sense they would be afraid. JMO

Because they aren't the ones being killed because of their use of force. If they know how to do their jobs correctly, they will almost never have to resort to use of force.

 

[CoolJ]

I'm sorry but this is absolutely disgusting that they got a warrant "within hours"!!!!! to search her home.

So let me get this straight. A cop can now shoot you without any immediate justification and get a f'n warrant to search your home to look for possible justification. That is just bizarre. That is Police State in the making.

You can now guarantee they are going to find her DNA on the car. They seized plenty of it. Pretty easy to rub a little here and a little there to create whatever f'n fairy tale they want to create.

Unbelievable. Literally unbelievable!

 

[bluesneakers]

I'm sorry but this is absolutely disgusting that they got a warrant "within hours"!!!!! to search her home.

So let me get this straight. A cop can now shoot you without any immediate justification and get a f'n warrant to search your home to look for possible justification. That is just bizarre. That is Police State in the making.

You can now guarantee they are going to find her DNA on the car. They seized plenty of it. Pretty easy to rub a little here and a little there to create whatever f'n fairy tale they want to create.

Unbelievable. Literally unbelievable!

They're going to find whatever it takes to blame this on her and make sure their officer doesn't face any charges, and depending on what they find it could also mean they won't have to pay a settlement to her family.

I can't BELIEVE they were able to get a search warrant!

This is so messed up.

 

[CoolJ]

My posts are not directed at police officers as a whole. I have an enormous amount of respect for police officers and their duties. I wouldn't want their jobs even if it paid a huge salary. I would be a train wreck, push over and it's safe to say that no matter how much training I had I would suck at it. Thankfully, one officer doesn't represent the entire police force. If it did we would be in more trouble than we would dare to admit.

"I don't hate cops..... I hate crooked cops" - Tupac Shakur

 

[Tawny]

That is the problem. They are not at war with 95% of the people they see every day. But then suddenly they are confronted with enemies who want to kill them. And it happens quickly, sometimes with no warning.

So in a war zone where we ARE at war with a large number of enemy combatants, we are more careful not to take unnecessary civilian lives, but in a place where we are NOT at war with the population, the police can open fire on someone who startles them and then find justification for it after the fact?

 

[HoneyWest]

They're going to find whatever it takes to blame this on her and make sure their officer doesn't face any charges, and depending on what they find it could also mean they won't have to pay a settlement to her family.

I can't BELIEVE they were able to get a search warrant!

This is so messed up.

I can't believe it either. I need to read up on this. A judge would have had to sign off on it, yes? I can totally see cops drafting some BS to get the warrant written, but to jump the hurdle of the judge? Almost makes me sick to think of the implications.