MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #2

[Jennifer17]

I am not sure I totally agree. There are things which leave the blood stream very very quickly.

I am just saying that the evidence/non-evidence works both ways.

If they leave the bloodstream very quickly, the effects do too. Not many drugs leave the bloodstream within days, let alone minutes.

The reason for searching her home was to find, something, anything to hold against her and just the fact that they got a search warrant could induce people to think 'There must have been something wrong if they searched her home.' Plant a seed.

 

[Jennifer17]

Sure, but they aren't angry over their aborigine deaths. There are no front page stories of the abuses of the aborigines. Australia has horrible issues and to point the finger at the US and pretend to be superior and outraged is exacty Ike the US that has front page stories on this and totally ignores the deaths of POC.

POC who have every aspect of their life thrown out there and their relatives examined as well We heard about the numerous traffic violations of Philando but people get all upset if Justine's life is examined.

There is talk of international issues with Australia. This from a country that brutalizes its aborigine population and has deaths in their camps for immigrants,

I am not commenting on the justice or injustice . Simply the incredibe difference on how white death is treated vs POC.

You know that Australians aren't angry over that? How do you know that? You are making this into an Australian versus US some kind of competition. Yes, Australia has had problem with how Aborigines are treated, as all countries have had with a black minority. What is your point? Australia is worse than the US so that woman's family can't complain? I don't get where you are coming from.

 

[katydid23]

If they leave the bloodstream very quickly, the effects do too. Not many drugs leave the bloodstream within days, let alone minutes.

The reason for searching her home was to find, something, anything to hold against her and just the fact that they got a search warrant could induce people to think 'There must have been something wrong if they searched her home.' Plant a seed.

Some drugs leave within 8 hours:

Oxycodone Percodan, Percocet, Oxys, Tylox, Cotton, OxyCotton 8-24 Hours
Other Opiates Numorphan, Tussionex, Fentanyl, Darvon, Lomotil, Talwin 8-24 Hours

 

[bluesneakers]

Some drugs leave within 8 hours:

OxycodonePercodan, Percocet, Oxys, Tylox, Cotton, OxyCotton8-24 Hours
Other OpiatesNumorphan, Tussionex, Fentanyl, Darvon, Lomotil, Talwin8-24 Hours

You think they got the search warrant hoping to find evidence she'd used one of these drugs.

I assumed they would be looking for psych meds or pot.

Evidence of any substance - in her or found in her home - will help them build their case against her.

 

[bluesneakers]

If they leave the bloodstream very quickly, the effects do too. Not many drugs leave the bloodstream within days, let alone minutes.

The reason for searching her home was to find, something, anything to hold against her and just the fact that they got a search warrant could induce people to think 'There must have been something wrong if they searched her home.' Plant a seed.

The search warrant was for their benefit. I'm not sure exactly what they were hoping to find but meds or drugs would have been the jackpot.

 

[Jennifer17]

Some drugs leave within 8 hours:

Oxycodone Percodan, Percocet, Oxys, Tylox, Cotton, OxyCotton 8-24 Hours
Other Opiates Numorphan, Tussionex, Fentanyl, Darvon, Lomotil, Talwin 8-24 Hours

8 hours is not seconds away from when she was shot dead. If she had those drugs in her bloodstream they would have shown up on the post mortem toxicology reports. There was no need to search her home looking for drugs that were not in her bloodstream.

 

[Jennifer17]

Some drugs leave within 8 hours:

Oxycodone Percodan, Percocet, Oxys, Tylox, Cotton, OxyCotton 8-24 Hours
Other Opiates Numorphan, Tussionex, Fentanyl, Darvon, Lomotil, Talwin 8-24 Hours[/QUOT
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I have a son in law who is a coal mine manager. They do random drug tests and they are challenged often that the drug taking was weeks before. Lomotil? really? Lomotil is used for acute diarrhea (US spelling)If you have diarrhea I am pretty sure that would leave your body quite quickly

 

[katydid23]

Some drugs leave within 8 hours:

Oxycodone Percodan, Percocet, Oxys, Tylox, Cotton, OxyCotton 8-24 Hours
Other Opiates Numorphan, Tussionex, Fentanyl, Darvon, Lomotil, Talwin 8-24 Hours[/QUOT
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I have a son in law who is a coal mine manager. They do random drug tests and they are challenged often that the drug taking was weeks before. Lomotil? really? Lomotil is used for acute diarrhea (US spelling)If you have diarrhea I am pretty sure that would leave your body quite quickly

I am not trying to argue--just pasting a list I found.


I am not defending Noor. I think he should go to jail.

I'm just saying that the investigators are helping the victim at this point.

 

[Jennifer17]

I am not trying to argue--just pasting a list I found.


I am not defending Noor. I think he should go to jail.

I'm just saying that the investigators are helping the victim at this point.

No, they are not helping the victim by invading her privacy with a search warrant. She is dead. They are doing that for their own purposes. If they find no drugs. she is innocent? If she was affected by drugs they would be in her body.
And if they did find drugs in her home, but not in her body, does that mean that she was guilty of something, even though there were no drugs in her body?
I really don't get how people are saying this was helping the victim. She was not helped. She is dead. She is not on trial and any help she may have needed is long gone. There is no reason to search her house other than to benefit the person who killed her.

 

[Karinna]

No, they are not helping the victim by invading her privacy with a search warrant. She is dead. They are doing that for their own purposes. If they find no drugs. she is innocent? If she was affected by drugs they would be in her body.
And if they did find drugs in her home, but not in her body, does that mean that she was guilty of something, even though there were no drugs in her body?
I really don't get how people are saying this was helping the victim. She was not helped. She is dead. She is not on trial and any help she may have needed is long gone. There is no reason to search her house other than to benefit the person who killed her.

Do you know if this is procedural or not in a police shooting death? To investigate all avenues of the one who did the shooting and the victim?

 

[katydid23]

Do you know if this is procedural or not in a police shooting death? To investigate all avenues of the one who did the shooting and the victim?

I know they do investigations routinely with many of the victims of police shootings. But usually they were engaged with the police because of warrants, or traffic stops or something like that. Very rarely is it the good samaritan that called 911.

 

[Karinna]

I know they do investigations routinely with many of the victims of police shootings. But usually they were engaged with the police because of warrants, or traffic stops or something like that. Very rarely is it the good samaritan that called 911.

Thanks for your reply. Yeah i have no idea if this is normal in such a circumstance? Maybe a lawyer would know?

 

[Karinna]

What's going on with the quoted posts, lol.

 

[Jennifer17]

Thanks for your reply. Yeah i have no idea if this is normal in such a circumstance? Maybe a lawyer would know?

I am pretty sure that no lawyer for the victims family would think it is ok to search the victims house and not the shooters house.

 

[katydid23]

I am pretty sure that no lawyer for the victims family would think it is ok to search the victims house and not the shooters house.

I am pretty sure the shooters house was searched also. And he was drug and alcohol tested. JMO

 

[katydid23]

this is a very interesting video---they reacted the drive through the alley at the same time of night---looks pretty dark and remote---much more so than I thought:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4716288/Justine-Damond-didn-t-die-says-Chief-Harteau.html



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...says-Chief-Harteau.html#v-5502219274268591815

 

[Jennifer17]

I am pretty sure the shooters house was searched also. And he was drug and alcohol tested. JMO

Of course he would be drug and alcohol tested. But was his house searched? We have only seen where her house was searched. If you have any evidence that his house was searched, we would be pleased to know it. Even if it was, it was not publisised like hers was, kind of meaning that there was something wrong with her, but not him?
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[Jennifer17]

this is a very interesting video---they reacted the drive through the alley at the same time of night---looks pretty dark and remote---much more so than I thought:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4716288/Justine-Damond-didn-t-die-says-Chief-Harteau.html



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...says-Chief-Harteau.html#v-5502219274268591815

Oh God, the DM again.

 

[Karinna]

I am pretty sure that no lawyer for the victims family would think it is ok to search the victims house and not the shooters house.

Thats why i asked if anyone knew if this would be normal LE procedure when investigating a shooting death? No one seems to know. And smearing a victim is not unusual at all in a criminal case from having followed murder cases on WS's.

 

[Karinna]

I am pretty sure the shooters house was searched also. And he was drug and alcohol tested. JMO

I would hope so.