MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #2

[Jennifer17]

You keep describing it in the worst possible, most negative light. But I am not sure that is accurate.

They were investigating. They were looking for information---good or bad---about the circumstances of the incident. They were looking into her living situation because that is where the 911 call came from. Did she really live there, would be the 1st question.

I don't think they were planning ahead, assuming that he is going to walk away from this. I see very little support for him so far, coming from the police union, or the precinct or the local politicians.

I am not looking at it in a negative light. I am looking at it in the way most fair people would. I have not suggested that she may have had a pot grow, or meth lab in her home.
If I were to be crossing the street and I was hit and killed by a car, would they search my home?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

You keep describing it in the worst possible, most negative light. But I am not sure that is accurate.

They were investigating. They were looking for information---good or bad---about the circumstances of the incident. They were looking into her living situation because that is where the 911 call came from. Did she really live there, would be the 1st question.

I don't think they were planning ahead, assuming that he is going to walk away from this. I see very little support for him so far, coming from the police union, or the precinct or the local politicians.

I have seen other cases where a victim was found killed at one location, and LE goes to the victim's home to do a SW. Even victims they knew were murdered at the location where they were found, and not at their home. I really think it is pretty much SOP.

I do believe they were looking for medication that she may have been legally taken. The investigators may have found it odd that a woman would go outside in the dark when she already thought a rapist may be in the area close by. It certainly is not an excuse to shoot her dead like Noor did, but I don't think LE is trying to help the defense or Noor. I haven't seen anyone in law enforcement standing up for this man or supporting him. It seems they are distancing themselves from him instead.

Plus a defense attorney can go to a Judge and ask for their own SW to search a victim's home. Remember when Lana Clarkson was killed by Phil Spector? The defense was allowed to go all through the house with a fine toothed comb after LE had released it. They even went to her residence to do a search of her apartment.

 

[jjenny]

No, but if they can say someone was taking the medication and she was acting erratically or behaving as if she was going to attack them then they are allowed to shoot her. It could explain why someone like Justine, who would likely never threaten an officer otherwise, would threaten one.

She didn't threaten any of them, per the testimony of driver cop. All she did is approached the front window and was shot immediately afterwards.

 

[bluesneakers]

She didn't threaten any of them, per the testimony of driver cop. All she did is approached the front window and was shot immediately afterwards.

Maybe Noor felt threatened.

 

[katydid23]

I am not looking at it in a negative light. I am looking at it in the way most fair people would. I have not suggested that she may have had a pot grow, or meth lab in her home.
If I were to be crossing the street and I was hit and killed by a car, would they search my home?

Maybe. Depends upon the circumstances. If you were a minor they might check the home to see why you were unsupervised. If you were elderly, they might check to see if you were suffering from dementia, to see if you were crossing the streets properly?

 

[Jennifer17]

Maybe. Depends upon the circumstances. If you were a minor they might check the home to see why you were unsupervised. If you were elderly, they might check to see if you were suffering from dementia, to see if you were crossing the streets properly?

How could they tell if I had dementia by searching my home?

 

[katydid23]

How could they tell if I had dementia by searching my home?

I could probably tell if someone was in good mental health by looking at their home environment. Couldn't you?

 

[Betty P]

I have been trying to find verification of the policy in Minneapolis in cases of police shootings---RE: drug testing officers.

found this on govt website:http://www.minneapolismn.gov/police/policy/mpdpolicy_5-300_5-300


5-308 NOTIFICATION OF FIREARM DISCHARGES (10/16/02) (04/30/15)

A. Employee Responsibility

Any employee who discharges a firearm, whether on or off duty, shall make direct contact with their immediate supervisor or the on-duty Watch Commander and the local jurisdiction as soon as possible except: (08/17/07) (04/30/15) (04/05/16)

· While at an established target range;
· While conducting authorized ballistics tests;
· When engaged in legally recognized activities while off-duty.

B. Supervisor Responsibility

1. The supervisor shall respond to any scene in which an employee has discharged a firearm while on-duty or in the course of duty. (04/30/15) (04/05/16)

2. The supervisor is responsible for notifying the Watch Commander and when appropriate, the employee’s Deputy Chiefand the on-duty Homicide investigator. This does not include the discharge of a firearm with the intention of dispatching an animal, unless it results in injury to a person. (04/30/15) (04/05/16)

3. Notifications to the Internal Affairs Unit shall be made in accordance with the Internal Affairs Call-Out Notification Policy (P/P 2-101). (04/05/16)

4. The advised supervisor shall ensure that drug and alcohol testing is conducted in accordance with the conditions and procedures in the MPD Drug & Alcohol Testing Policy (P/P Section 3-1000). (04/30/15)

5. At any officer-involved shooting incident in which a person is shot, the Critical Incident Policy (P/P Section 7-800) shall be followed. (04/30/15)

Thanks for that verification. I wonder if they'll find steroids or some other illicit drug in the officer's system? Something was causing him to have rage and uncontrollable anger.

 

[Betty P]

I could probably tell if someone was in good mental health by looking at their home environment. Couldn't you?

Not exactly a scientific diagnosis, but it would certainly be your opinion. Are you inferring that Officer Noor has dementia? It could explain his anger issues, but we should really wait until there is some proof.

 

[bluesneakers]

Why Police Officers Often Aren’t Convicted for Using Lethal Force

“The legal system doesn’t like second guessing police officers because they know the job is hard and violent and they have to keep bad guys off the streets,” said Bowling Green State University criminologist Philip Stinson.

According to data by Stinson, who studies officer arrests, from 2005 to 2014, only 48 on-duty officers have been charged for murder or manslaughter for the use of lethal force.

A small number compared to the thousands of officers who have shot and killed someone, Stinson said.

Since 2005, no judge has ever convicted an officer of murder or manslaughter while using lethal force in the line of duty, according to data by Stinson.

 

[Jennifer17]

I could probably tell if someone was in good mental health by looking at their home environment. Couldn't you?

So if my home was messy, the driver of the car could use that in his defence?

 

[katydid23]

Not exactly a scientific diagnosis, but it would certainly be your opinion.

No, not a scientific diagnosis by any means. But my grandfather went downhill fast after grandma passed away. You could see it in the way his home was in disarray. Happened fast.

 

[katydid23]

So if my home was messy, the driver of the car could use that in his defence?

I never said that, those are your words, trying to over simplify.

 

[katydid23]

Why Police Officers Often Aren’t Convicted for Using Lethal Force

“The legal system doesn’t like second guessing police officers because they know the job is hard and violent and they have to keep bad guys off the streets,” said Bowling Green State University criminologist Philip Stinson.

According to data by Stinson, who studies officer arrests, from 2005 to 2014, only 48 on-duty officers have been charged for murder or manslaughter for the use of lethal force.

A small number compared to the thousands of officers who have shot and killed someone, Stinson said.
Since 2005, no judge has ever convicted an officer of murder or manslaughter while using lethal force in the line of duty, according to data by Stinson.

I think all of the above is true. But I don't believe that this particular case will fit into the usual narrative.

 

[bluesneakers]

No, not a scientific diagnosis by any means. But my grandfather went downhill fast after grandma passed away. You could see it in the way his home was in disarray. Happened fast.

Your one experience with one person is hardly anything to base an opinion on. Maybe she was the one who had done the cleaning before and that's why the place was a mess.

 

[katydid23]

Your one experience with one person is hardly anything to base an opinion on. Maybe she was the one who had done the cleaning before and that's why the place was a mess.

He had dementia and Grandma was covering for him.

But that is not even the point. I am just saying that investigators can get a lot of important information by looking inside someones home.

 

[bluesneakers]

So if my home was messy, the driver of the car could use that in his defence?

So I guess even something as meaningless as being a crappy housekeeper means a police officer can shoot you. I can see it.
Messy house = depression = suicide by cop.

 

[katydid23]

So I guess even something as meaningless as being a crappy housekeeper means a police officer can shoot you. I can see it.
Messy house = depression = suicide by cop.

Good thing y'all aren't twisting or distorting words or anything...

 

[Betty P]

Why Police Officers Often Aren’t Convicted for Using Lethal Force

But there have been plenty of civil suits won by families who lost loved ones to the acts of violent/bad police.
Sadly, it's the taxpayers who have to pay the high cost of keeping these bad actors on the force.

 

[Betty P]

Good thing y'all aren't twisting or distorting words or anything...

I'm pretty familiar with the specious arguments that have been made in the past when innocent women are killed by men and innocent citizens are killed by bad cops. This is a pretty standard strategy to discredit the victims and allow dangerous criminals walk free.

Maybe we should call it the "Phil Spector" defense.