MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #2

[Karinna]

Justine Damond is the 541st person shot dead by US police this year
New York: The tragic shooting death of Justine Damond will bring home for many Australians a disturbing phenomenon they had only observed from afar and may have even thought was on the decline: the extraordinary rate of people killed during encounters with police in the United States.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/justine...d-by-us-police-this-year-20170717-gxd8va.html

 

[katydid23]

Justine Damond is the 541st person shot dead by US police this year
New York: The tragic shooting death of Justine Damond will bring home for many Australians a disturbing phenomenon they had only observed from afar and may have even thought was on the decline: the extraordinary rate of people killed during encounters with police in the United States.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/justine...d-by-us-police-this-year-20170717-gxd8va.html

That is a shocking number. And if it is just taken on it's face, it seems unforgivable.

But I think it needs to be looked at in context. There are an average of 50,000 assaults upon police officers per year. So given that there are 50k attacks upon officers, it makes sense that a small percentage of them end up in death--either the death of the officer or the death of the civilian.

There are going to be a very small number of victims that were not engaging in an aggressive way. Justine's case is one of the saddest and most outrageous.

But I think that the vast majority of those who are shot are posing a serious threat at the time they are killed. JMO

http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/daifacts.html

 

[KaaBoom]

That is a shocking number. And if it is just taken on it's face, it seems unforgivable.

But I think it needs to be looked at in context. There are an average of 50,000 assaults upon police officers per year. So given that there are 50k attacks upon officers, it makes sense that a small percentage of them end up in death--either the death of the officer or the death of the civilian.

There are going to be a very small number of victims that were not engaging in an aggressive way. Justine's case is one of the saddest and most outrageous.

But I think that the vast majority of those who are shot are posing a serious threat at the time they are killed. JMO

http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/daifacts.html

According to one of the sources 27 cops have been killed in firearms-related incidents this year. So that's 541 citizens who have that been killed by the police, vs 27 cops killed. So citizens are 20 times more likely to be killed by the police, then police are to be killed by citizens. It's citizens who should be fearing for their lives when they encounter police, not the cops. Taxicab drivers have a more dangerous job than cops do.

Preliminary 2017 Officer Fatalities

 

[oceanblueeyes]

That is a shocking number. And if it is just taken on it's face, it seems unforgivable.

But I think it needs to be looked at in context. There are an average of 50,000 assaults upon police officers per year. So given that there are 50k attacks upon officers, it makes sense that a small percentage of them end up in death--either the death of the officer or the death of the civilian.

There are going to be a very small number of victims that were not engaging in an aggressive way. Justine's case is one of the saddest and most outrageous.

But I think that the vast majority of those who are shot are posing a serious threat at the time they are killed. JMO

http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/daifacts.html

The number is even higher. The correct number through yesterday is (714) July 31, 2017. No one keeps a better running total than this site. It is updated and current. It already has the article where a suspect was killed yesterday when he shot and gravely wounded two officers in Los Banos.

You are also correct since our police officers come in contact with millions of criminals every single year. If one reads the attached news article to each kill shooting listed the vast majority are justified shootings.

http://killedbypolice.net/

JMO

 

[grammieto5]

i want to know what Noor and Hannity said to each other!!!

YES! What did Hannity say when all of a sudden a bullet came swishing by him while he's, I imagine looking at Justine standing by his open window. I'd also like to know if Hannity also had his gun out. And why didn't Noor exit the car? I wonder if it's normal for a policeman to shoot his gun while sitting in his car? so many questions.

 

[turaj]

When? After the shooting before anyone else arrived?

all of the above...these guys were talking in the car on route to the scene...as they were going thru the alley and then right at the time of the shooting...then after...all of it!! Isn't that what we are missing?

 

[Karinna]

Why was Justine shot in the alley? Isn't that where she reported the crime she thought she heard was going on?
(quote)
Justine Damond, 40,was shot dead on Saturday in an alley in the suburban Minneapolis neighbourhood of Fulton, after phoning 911 to report what she believed was a sexual assault occurring nearby.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/fiance-...ads-for-more-information-20170717-gxd708.html

 

[human]

I don't know if the public is privy to that information? Haven't seen it anywhere in msm?
If i had to guess i would think the operator relayed the info. given to her to LE by Justine about a possible incident rape/loud sex not sure what? taking place in the alley with a woman screaming?
The code for attempted rape is 261A
http://www.radiolabs.com/police-codes.html

To me, this is really important. What were Hannity and Noor looking for? A quick trip through the alley hardly matches the idea that a rape is in progress. Where is the victim? Dead in a yard somewhere?

I think this is a critical piece.

 

[Karinna]

YES! What did Hannity say when all of a sudden a bullet came swishing by him while he's, I imagine looking at Justine standing by his open window. I'd also like to know if Hannity also had his gun out. And why didn't Noor exit the car? I wonder if it's normal for a policeman to shoot his gun while sitting in his car? so many questions.

He might have reached in front of Harrity to shoot his weapon out the window?
I want to know why these two rather inexperienced LE were placed together on the beat? Wouldn't you think they would place a more experienced officer with the inexperienced one? One year and almost two years is not very long for those two police officers to have been seasoned LE, IMO, and tragedy then happens.

 

[Karinna]

To me, this is really important. What were Hannity and Noor looking for? A quick trip through the alley hardly matches the idea that a rape is in progress. Where is the victim? Dead in a yard somewhere?

I think this is a critical piece.

Was it a quick trip? It does state in msm articles the police vehicle had their lights off too. If Justine was shot in the alley as the msm article states, exactly where in the alley was she to get shot? How many houses away was hers from the alley? There was obviously no rape victim anywhere in sight that we know of in the alley.? How did Justine come to be at the back of the vehicle to slap it? She must of left her house and followed the police vehicle into the alley to get shot there.

 

[human]

He might have reached in front of Harrity to shoot his weapon out the window?
I want to know why these two rather inexperienced LE were placed together on the beat? Wouldn't you think they would place a more experienced officer with the inexperienced one? One year and almost two years is not very long for those two police officers to have been seasoned LE, IMO, and tragedy then happens.

Safe area. Did you read the stats of the area? No biggie. LE probably is prioritized as to where they patrol,

 

[human]

Was it a quick trip? It does state in msm articles the police vehicle had their lights off too. If Justine was shot in the alley as the msm article states, exactly where in the alley was she to get shot? How many houses away was hers from the alley? There was obviously no rape victim anywhere in sight that we know of in the alley.? How did Justine come to be at the back of the vehicle to slap it? She must of left her house and followed the police vehicle into the alley to get shot there.

It appears it was 12 mins from the call? Did they get out of the car and look around for a dead or injured victim? What did the dispatch tell them was going on?

 

[Karinna]

Safe area. Did you read the stats of the area? No biggie. LE probably is prioritized as to where they patrol,

I haven't seen any stats. on the area so don't know.

 

[Karinna]

It appears it was 12 mins from the call? Did they get out of the car and look around for a dead or injured victim? What did the dispatch tell them was going on?

We don't know what dispatch said to them because we can't have that information, all we have is this recording
http://mnpoliceclips.com/Minneapolis-----XX-Washburn-Ave-S---ShootingIt-sounds-.html
What dead or injured victim were they looking for? Dispatch wouldn't know what was going on there because LE were sent there to check the situation out, not dispatch. Justine was the only victim that night. Maybe i'm misunderstanding what you're asking.

 

[Karinna]

Role of a 911 Dispatcher

In an emergency situation, people often call a 911 emergency dispatcher to obtain help from the police, fire department, or emergency medical technicians. As a dispatcher, you take all applicable information, such as name of the caller, details of the situation, and an address. You then assess the location of emergency medical teams and police officers, and dispatch the appropriate team in case of emergency, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS, www.bls.gov). If you are qualified, you may be called upon to provide medical information to the caller until emergency help arrives. Your job is to stay on the line with the caller, keep them calm, and gather vital information.
http://learn.org/articles/What_Does_a_911_Dispatcher_Do.html

 

[human]

We don't know what dispatch said to them because we can't have that information, all we have is this recording
http://mnpoliceclips.com/Minneapolis-----XX-Washburn-Ave-S---ShootingIt-sounds-.html
What dead or injured victim were they looking for? Dispatch wouldn't know what was going on there because LE were sent there to check the situation out, not dispatch. Justine was the only victim that night. Maybe i'm misunderstanding what you're asking.

When a person calls 911, you speak to a person at a call center. I have no idea where it is in Minneapolis. It could be miles and miles away somewhere in Hennepin county. The call center person is not LE. They take your info.

Then they relay that info to LE somehow and something happens with that info.

I assume it is some kind of dispatch at the particular station but I do not know,

The LE are told ????????????

I am assuming that the info is of a possible sexual assault.

If the alley is silent, that does not mean there is not a dead or injured rape victim. How would they know if someone is prone on the grass somewhere?

Were they going to turn around and walk through the alley?

What were the officers told? Justine did not call and talk to the officers. She undoubtedly talked to someone at a 9-11 call center.

But maybe it is different nowadays.Maybe 9-11 calls are not handled by a call center.

Anyway, I want to know what the officers thought they were looking for.

 

[turaj]

Why was Justine shot in the alley? Isn't that where she reported the crime she thought she heard was going on?
(quote)
Justine Damond, 40,was shot dead on Saturday in an alley in the suburban Minneapolis neighbourhood of Fulton, after phoning 911 to report what she believed was a sexual assault occurring nearby.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/fiance-...ads-for-more-information-20170717-gxd708.html

why was she shot in the alley? because they drove from 50th Sreet thru the alley with their lights off and windows down to listen for the same sounds that she reported. That seems very logical...they drove past her house ...kept going as we can assume they did not hear anything...we getting to the end of the alley at 51st St. and boom. Thats it in a nutshell. I have no issue with how they dealt with the call. I sort of hope that they were going to go around and come to her front door and speak with her but it never got that far. One impulsive move by a very concerned citizen cost her her life.

 

[turaj]

Role of a 911 Dispatcher

In an emergency situation, people often call a 911 emergency dispatcher to obtain help from the police, fire department, or emergency medical technicians. As a dispatcher, you take all applicable information, such as name of the caller, details of the situation, and an address. You then assess the location of emergency medical teams and police officers, and dispatch the appropriate team in case of emergency, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS, www.bls.gov). If you are qualified, you may be called upon to provide medical information to the caller until emergency help arrives. Your job is to stay on the line with the caller, keep them calm, and gather vital information.
http://learn.org/articles/What_Does_a_911_Dispatcher_Do.html

well clearly no one stayed on the line with Justine...in fact she had to call back. Not sure if this call escalated to the level of them having to stay on? She clearly was staying inside at least to make the second call and my guess is she did not exit until she saw the squad car at which time she felt safe. Big mistake!

 

[Karinna]

When a person calls 911, you speak to a person at a call center. I have no idea where it is in Minneapolis. It could be miles and miles away somewhere in Hennepin county. The call center person is not LE. They take your info.

Then they relay that info to LE somehow and something happens with that info.

I assume it is some kind of dispatch at the particular station but I do not know,

The LE are told ????????????

I am assuming that the info is of a possible sexual assault.

If the alley is silent, that does not mean there is not a dead or injured rape victim. How would they know if someone is prone on the grass somewhere?

Were they going to turn around and walk through the alley?

What were the officers told? Justine did not call and talk to the officers. She undoubtedly talked to someone at a 9-11 call center.

But maybe it is different nowadays.Maybe 9-11 calls are not handled by a call center.

Anyway, I want to know what the officers thought they were looking for.

BBM, My guess is they were looking for where the screaming was coming from that Justine told 911 she was hearing in the alley.

 

[turaj]

When a person calls 911, you speak to a person at a call center. I have no idea where it is in Minneapolis. It could be miles and miles away somewhere in Hennepin county. The call center person is not LE. They take your info.

Then they relay that info to LE somehow and something happens with that info.

I assume it is some kind of dispatch at the particular station but I do not know,

The LE are told ????????????

I am assuming that the info is of a possible sexual assault.

If the alley is silent, that does not mean there is not a dead or injured rape victim. How would they know if someone is prone on the grass somewhere?

Were they going to turn around and walk through the alley?

What were the officers told? Justine did not call and talk to the officers. She undoubtedly talked to someone at a 9-11 call center.

But maybe it is different nowadays.Maybe 9-11 calls are not handled by a call center.

Anyway, I want to know what the officers thought they were looking for.

Have you listened to the call...she was talking to a dispatch (call center) the call clearly indicates they are looking for a possible rape/assault with woman making noise...I think going thru the alley in the car first makes sense and I assume they were expecting to hear the noise as per the call. When they did not then they should have gotten out...what is alarming is they told dispatch the code for all clear more or less and it remains to be told were they just going to leave (as Justine obviously thought) or did they have plans to go to her house and look around more carefully? Remember this is Sat. night and I bet they get many calls from people reporting all sorts of things most of which turn out to be absolutely nothing. But they have a duty to approach every scene as if it were critical.....again the best we can hope for here is for Harrity to tell the truth and maybe some audio in the car?