MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #3

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Actually, it almost seems like a slap in the face. Like a backhanded blackmail. If the city wants to donate money to the foundation, they should do so, not hamstring a grieving family to donate to a charity stipulated by the city whose policies indirectly killed Justine.

More about the foundation...
Discover the Networks | Minneapolis Foundation (MF)
no kidding ...i did not realize that was "part of the terms" how low can you go???? This family would have found the exact causes and gun violence would have been one anyway. I hate our local government.
 
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I am learning so much about this case right here on WebSleuth...I am telling you the information suppression is something on this case. I can just imagine what people in Australia are thinking about this country and Minneapolis in particular. I sort of think had Don and Justine married as planned eventually they may have lived in Australia after some time. No utopias out there but this gun violence is really getting to many of us.

turaj, you made this comment (BBM) a few pages ago. I just wanted to post this comment because I think it pretty much sums up our general feeling.

"I think that it is very shocking to have an Australian involved in this [incident], but I doubt that this changes the way that Australians see the US because we are aware of these issues," he said.
Australia waits for answers in US shooting

I know that for myself, each time I visit the US - and I do that pretty much on an annual basis due to some very close relationships there - I always think "please let me come back home safely", then I relax and have a great time while I am there.
 
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Twelve jurors, 24 hours, two guilty verdicts: the inside story of the Justine Ruszczyk trial

Twelve jurors, 24 hours, two guilty verdicts: the inside story of the Justine Ruszczyk trial


April 18: Mohamed Noor’s shift partner, Matthew Harrity, testified against him.

Prosecutors also played graphic footage from both his and Noor's body-worn cameras, capturing Justine's final breaths. Harrity can be heard saying to Justine: “Stay with me ma'am. Stay with me,” as he’s trying to save her life. The vision also revealed Noor pacing and Harrity instructing Noor - "Noor, CPR for me. Stay on it."

Harrity’s evidence was crucial to this trial because he was the only witness to the shooting. Harrity was driving the police car, Noor sitting in the passenger seat. Noor shot Justine across Harrity and through his open driver’s side window.

There was a pivotal moment during his testimony.

Prosecutors asked Harrity "Would the use of deadly force at that time be premature?"

His response: "Yes, with what I had."
 
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How many shots did Noor fire, this says a single shot whereas I’ve seen 2 and 3 shots fired. So many conflicting stories. Why?

Noor told the court that he rose from his seat on the passenger side, put his arm across Harrity’s chest to protect him from the shot he was about to fire, extended his gun past the steering wheel, and then fired a single shot at the woman outside the driver's side window.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...r-guilty-murder-trial-verdict-police-shooting
 
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How many shots did Noor fire, this says a single shot whereas I’ve seen 2 and 3 shots fired. So many conflicting stories. Why?

Noor told the court that he rose from his seat on the passenger side, put his arm across Harrity’s chest to protect him from the shot he was about to fire, extended his gun past the steering wheel, and then fired a single shot at the woman outside the driver's side window.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...r-guilty-murder-trial-verdict-police-shooting

I have been thinking that perhaps two shots were fired. Mostly because the articles that state there were more shots than one (and I notice these articles are from before Noor was charged), say "more than one shot". They do not say "several shots" or a "few shots" or "multiple shots".

I think that someone has told them there was more than one shot. Could it be a medical staff member who informed them of that?

And this thought is a little more outrageous and disturbing, is it possible that a 2nd shot came from Harrity's weapon but did not cause death, due to his angle of fire (which could have been a very awkward angle)? I am not comfortable with the fact that the police vehicle was processed so quickly then cleaned thoroughly and put back on the street. Or that Harrity also readied his weapon. Or that Justine already had a look of shock on her face when Noor fired.
 
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Even Harrity says gunshots .....

Harrity, who is still a police officer, said the killing haunted him afterwards.
“For the first two days I would sit and stare,” he said. “I could stare at a blank TV and nothing was on and I would hear gunshots.”
NoCookies | The Australian
 
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I truly feel for Harrity and hope he is being looked after he must be suffering PTSD.
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IMO he is a good man to have told the truth on the stand.

It was Harrity alone who tried to save Justine where Noor totally lost control in all counts.

The vision also revealed Noor pacing and Harrity instructing Noor - "Noor, CPR for me. Stay on it."
 
  • #691
I truly feel for Harrity and hope he is being looked after he must be suffering PTSD.
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IMO he is a good man to have told the truth on the stand.

It was Harrity alone who tried to save Justine where Noor totally lost control in all counts.

The vision also revealed Noor pacing and Harrity instructing Noor - "Noor, CPR for me. Stay on it."

I am sure there was pressure from various people in the MPD on him to not tell the truth-----
 
  • #692
I am sure there was pressure from various people in the MPD on him to not tell the truth-----

Hopefully he’s getting support and not harassment from within.
He did the right thing.
 
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One of the most interesting, and potentially consequential outcomes of the rapid settlement by Minneapolis, is the complete avoidance of the public airing of the "alternative track" hiring process of which Noor was a member. You see, it is no secret at all that there is a HUGE number of applicants for police jobs in MN. Applicants, like Matthew Harrity, who proceeded through the legislature prescribed hiring and educational path. There are literally hundreds of applicants for every opening, and the hiring process is grueling and lengthy, and most highly qualified candidates apply for multiple openings over 1-2 years before being hired.

In fact, Harrity is often discussed in articles as being more "junior" than Noor, when in fact, Harrity had at least 2+ years experience as a Community Service Officer BEFORE he attended the police academy and was a licensed peace officer. CSOs wear uniforms, patrol in marked vehicles, and are heavily engaged in face to face interactions in the community. A large number of eventual Minneapolis officers are CSOs, as a way to objectively demonstrate their competence, desire, and engagement.

What no media article wants to say clearly is that Noor was specifically partnered with Harrity because Harrity was the much more experienced officer in the pair. The media has tried to portray Harrity as the more junior officer by hiring date, completely ignoring that while Noor was an apartment manager in the 2-3 years before he went to the academy, Harrity was in uniform in a CSO patrol car 20-30 hours a week for the same 2-3 years BEFORE attending the police academy.

A Community Service Officer (CSO) works approximately 20-30 hours per week in the Minneapolis Police Department up to three years while enrolled as a student in an approved, two-year law enforcement program and/or working toward completion of MN Peace Officers Standards and Training (POST) licensing requirements. CSO's assist the police department and community by promoting intercommunication, understanding and cooperation between department personnel and the diverse communities of the City of Minneapolis. The CSO is a civilian position which has the possibility of promotion to a full time Police Officer position.

https://www.insidempd.com/employment/community-service-officer/

***There is nothing preventing individuals who will eventually enter the "alternative hiring path" from applying to become CSOs, but next to none of them take this opportunity. Why isn't being a CSO a mandatory part of the "alternative fast track" hiring process? Why is that, I wonder? The pay is pretty good, and the experience is invaluable. It would help to weed out those who are not well suited, before they attend the academy.

My personal sources do not know of a single "alternative hiring path" individual who took advantage of applying for a CSO job, but there might be a few somewhere in the past few years that did. This kind of information is not easily released to the public. And yes, the officers definitely know "who" is an alternative hiring track officer-- particularly in the first year or 2 of their employment.

IMO, the settling of the civil suit will effectively cease and prevent public discussion and public debate examining the "alternative hiring process". The legislature will not address this now, or ever, probably. This diversity program is now firmly "protected", and will continue-- despite the obvious truth that it is not needed because of a low number of traditionally educated and experienced candidates, or because the traditional candidates are not well qualified.

The (secret!) rationale behind the alternative hiring process is that it was specifically designed to recruit (only) minority candidates, to fulfill a non-articulated quota of certain minorities, when there continues to be a huge surplus of candidates who meet or exceed the statutory requirements.

Who exactly is it that has decided what the racial and ethnic quotas should be in the Minneapolis Police department? And what are those quotas based on? It certainly isn't public safety, right?

The dirty secret is that MPD has manufactured racial/ ethnic quotas in hiring, over education, competence, and experience. And when the racial/ ethnic candidate pool is determined by unelected bureaucrats to be "not diverse enough", they created an alternative, fast track pathway to recruit preferred ethnicities/ races.

And now Justine Damond is dead at the hands of one of the "fast track" diversity officers. That is something that should be talked about very loudly, and very publicly.

Noor will go to prison, but the diversity fast track continues with NO public debate as to the merits and drawbacks of the program.

Imagine if we hired general surgeons on their ethnicity, and not their skills, education, and experience? Neurosurgeons? Air traffic controllers? Commercial airline pilots? At what point do we sacrifice competence, experience, and public safety for the sake of purely arbitrary ethnic and racial quotas? We need to have this discussion nationally, and loudly, IMO. Minneapolis just quickly agreed to $20 million dollars of hush money to protect their "diversity aspirations", IMO.
 
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One of the most interesting, and potentially consequential outcomes of the rapid settlement by Minneapolis, is the complete avoidance of the public airing of the "alternative track" hiring process of which Noor was a member. You see, it is no secret at all that there is a HUGE number of applicants for police jobs in MN. Applicants, like Matthew Harrity, who proceeded through the legislature prescribed hiring and educational path. There are literally hundreds of applicants for every opening, and the hiring process is grueling and lengthy, and most highly qualified candidates apply for multiple openings over 1-2 years before being hired.

In fact, Harrity is often discussed in articles as being more "junior" than Noor, when in fact, Harrity had at least 2+ years experience as a Community Service Officer BEFORE he attended the police academy and was a licensed peace officer. CSOs wear uniforms, patrol in marked vehicles, and are heavily engaged in face to face interactions in the community. A large number of eventual Minneapolis officers are CSOs, as a way to objectively demonstrate their competence, desire, and engagement.

What no media article wants to say clearly is that Noor was specifically partnered with Harrity because Harrity was the much more experienced officer in the pair. The media has tried to portray Harrity as the more junior officer by hiring date, completely ignoring that while Noor was an apartment manager in the 2-3 years before he went to the academy, Harrity was in uniform in a CSO patrol car 20-30 hours a week for the same 2-3 years BEFORE attending the police academy.



https://www.insidempd.com/employment/community-service-officer/

***There is nothing preventing individuals who will eventually enter the "alternative hiring path" from applying to become CSOs, but next to none of them take this opportunity. Why isn't being a CSO a mandatory part of the "alternative fast track" hiring process? Why is that, I wonder? The pay is pretty good, and the experience is invaluable. It would help to weed out those who are not well suited, before they attend the academy.

My personal sources do not know of a single "alternative hiring path" individual who took advantage of applying for a CSO job, but there might be a few somewhere in the past few years that did. This kind of information is not easily released to the public. And yes, the officers definitely know "who" is an alternative hiring track officer-- particularly in the first year or 2 of their employment.

IMO, the settling of the civil suit will effectively cease and prevent public discussion and public debate examining the "alternative hiring process". The legislature will not address this now, or ever, probably. This diversity program is now firmly "protected", and will continue-- despite the obvious truth that it is not needed because of a low number of traditionally educated and experienced candidates, or because the traditional candidates are not well qualified.

The (secret!) rationale behind the alternative hiring process is that it was specifically designed to recruit (only) minority candidates, to fulfill a non-articulated quota of certain minorities, when there continues to be a huge surplus of candidates who meet or exceed the statutory requirements.

Who exactly is it that has decided what the racial and ethnic quotas should be in the Minneapolis Police department? And what are those quotas based on? It certainly isn't public safety, right?

The dirty secret is that MPD has manufactured racial/ ethnic quotas in hiring, over education, competence, and experience. And when the racial/ ethnic candidate pool is determined by unelected bureaucrats to be "not diverse enough", they created an alternative, fast track pathway to recruit preferred ethnicities/ races.

And now Justine Damond is dead at the hands of one of the "fast track" diversity officers. That is something that should be talked about very loudly, and very publicly.

Noor will go to prison, but the diversity fast track continues with NO public debate as to the merits and drawbacks of the program.

Imagine if we hired general surgeons on their ethnicity, and not their skills, education, and experience? Neurosurgeons? Air traffic controllers? Commercial airline pilots? At what point do we sacrifice competence, experience, and public safety for the sake of purely arbitrary ethnic and racial quotas? We need to have this discussion nationally, and loudly, IMO. Minneapolis just quickly agreed to $20 million dollars of hush money to protect their "diversity aspirations", IMO.

The Airport Control Tower Is No Place for Racial Redress

There are numerous articles that address this same issue, over and over.

That being said, there should be a standard assessment, and vetting process. Applicants that do not meet the requirements should not move forward in the process. Regardless of their race. I believe that in the next few years we will see something like this be addressed at a Supreme Court decision.
 
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One of the most interesting, and potentially consequential outcomes of the rapid settlement by Minneapolis, is the complete avoidance of the public airing of the "alternative track" hiring process of which Noor was a member. You see, it is no secret at all that there is a HUGE number of applicants for police jobs in MN. Applicants, like Matthew Harrity, who proceeded through the legislature prescribed hiring and educational path. There are literally hundreds of applicants for every opening, and the hiring process is grueling and lengthy, and most highly qualified candidates apply for multiple openings over 1-2 years before being hired.

In fact, Harrity is often discussed in articles as being more "junior" than Noor, when in fact, Harrity had at least 2+ years experience as a Community Service Officer BEFORE he attended the police academy and was a licensed peace officer. CSOs wear uniforms, patrol in marked vehicles, and are heavily engaged in face to face interactions in the community. A large number of eventual Minneapolis officers are CSOs, as a way to objectively demonstrate their competence, desire, and engagement.

What no media article wants to say clearly is that Noor was specifically partnered with Harrity because Harrity was the much more experienced officer in the pair. The media has tried to portray Harrity as the more junior officer by hiring date, completely ignoring that while Noor was an apartment manager in the 2-3 years before he went to the academy, Harrity was in uniform in a CSO patrol car 20-30 hours a week for the same 2-3 years BEFORE attending the police academy.



https://www.insidempd.com/employment/community-service-officer/

***There is nothing preventing individuals who will eventually enter the "alternative hiring path" from applying to become CSOs, but next to none of them take this opportunity. Why isn't being a CSO a mandatory part of the "alternative fast track" hiring process? Why is that, I wonder? The pay is pretty good, and the experience is invaluable. It would help to weed out those who are not well suited, before they attend the academy.

My personal sources do not know of a single "alternative hiring path" individual who took advantage of applying for a CSO job, but there might be a few somewhere in the past few years that did. This kind of information is not easily released to the public. And yes, the officers definitely know "who" is an alternative hiring track officer-- particularly in the first year or 2 of their employment.

IMO, the settling of the civil suit will effectively cease and prevent public discussion and public debate examining the "alternative hiring process". The legislature will not address this now, or ever, probably. This diversity program is now firmly "protected", and will continue-- despite the obvious truth that it is not needed because of a low number of traditionally educated and experienced candidates, or because the traditional candidates are not well qualified.

The (secret!) rationale behind the alternative hiring process is that it was specifically designed to recruit (only) minority candidates, to fulfill a non-articulated quota of certain minorities, when there continues to be a huge surplus of candidates who meet or exceed the statutory requirements.

Who exactly is it that has decided what the racial and ethnic quotas should be in the Minneapolis Police department? And what are those quotas based on? It certainly isn't public safety, right?

The dirty secret is that MPD has manufactured racial/ ethnic quotas in hiring, over education, competence, and experience. And when the racial/ ethnic candidate pool is determined by unelected bureaucrats to be "not diverse enough", they created an alternative, fast track pathway to recruit preferred ethnicities/ races.

And now Justine Damond is dead at the hands of one of the "fast track" diversity officers. That is something that should be talked about very loudly, and very publicly.

Noor will go to prison, but the diversity fast track continues with NO public debate as to the merits and drawbacks of the program.

Imagine if we hired general surgeons on their ethnicity, and not their skills, education, and experience? Neurosurgeons? Air traffic controllers? Commercial airline pilots? At what point do we sacrifice competence, experience, and public safety for the sake of purely arbitrary ethnic and racial quotas? We need to have this discussion nationally, and loudly, IMO. Minneapolis just quickly agreed to $20 million dollars of hush money to protect their "diversity aspirations", IMO.

Thank you so much for posting this info. Something that I was not aware of at all.

It certainly better explains some of the behaviours on the night of Justine's murder, and thereafter.

Sounds like a terrible hiring practise.
 
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One of the most interesting, and potentially consequential outcomes of the rapid settlement by Minneapolis, is the complete avoidance of the public airing of the "alternative track" hiring process of which Noor was a member. You see, it is no secret at all that there is a HUGE number of applicants for police jobs in MN. Applicants, like Matthew Harrity, who proceeded through the legislature prescribed hiring and educational path. There are literally hundreds of applicants for every opening, and the hiring process is grueling and lengthy, and most highly qualified candidates apply for multiple openings over 1-2 years before being hired.

In fact, Harrity is often discussed in articles as being more "junior" than Noor, when in fact, Harrity had at least 2+ years experience as a Community Service Officer BEFORE he attended the police academy and was a licensed peace officer. CSOs wear uniforms, patrol in marked vehicles, and are heavily engaged in face to face interactions in the community. A large number of eventual Minneapolis officers are CSOs, as a way to objectively demonstrate their competence, desire, and engagement.

What no media article wants to say clearly is that Noor was specifically partnered with Harrity because Harrity was the much more experienced officer in the pair. The media has tried to portray Harrity as the more junior officer by hiring date, completely ignoring that while Noor was an apartment manager in the 2-3 years before he went to the academy, Harrity was in uniform in a CSO patrol car 20-30 hours a week for the same 2-3 years BEFORE attending the police academy.



https://www.insidempd.com/employment/community-service-officer/

***There is nothing preventing individuals who will eventually enter the "alternative hiring path" from applying to become CSOs, but next to none of them take this opportunity. Why isn't being a CSO a mandatory part of the "alternative fast track" hiring process? Why is that, I wonder? The pay is pretty good, and the experience is invaluable. It would help to weed out those who are not well suited, before they attend the academy.

My personal sources do not know of a single "alternative hiring path" individual who took advantage of applying for a CSO job, but there might be a few somewhere in the past few years that did. This kind of information is not easily released to the public. And yes, the officers definitely know "who" is an alternative hiring track officer-- particularly in the first year or 2 of their employment.

IMO, the settling of the civil suit will effectively cease and prevent public discussion and public debate examining the "alternative hiring process". The legislature will not address this now, or ever, probably. This diversity program is now firmly "protected", and will continue-- despite the obvious truth that it is not needed because of a low number of traditionally educated and experienced candidates, or because the traditional candidates are not well qualified.

The (secret!) rationale behind the alternative hiring process is that it was specifically designed to recruit (only) minority candidates, to fulfill a non-articulated quota of certain minorities, when there continues to be a huge surplus of candidates who meet or exceed the statutory requirements.

Who exactly is it that has decided what the racial and ethnic quotas should be in the Minneapolis Police department? And what are those quotas based on? It certainly isn't public safety, right?

The dirty secret is that MPD has manufactured racial/ ethnic quotas in hiring, over education, competence, and experience. And when the racial/ ethnic candidate pool is determined by unelected bureaucrats to be "not diverse enough", they created an alternative, fast track pathway to recruit preferred ethnicities/ races.

And now Justine Damond is dead at the hands of one of the "fast track" diversity officers. That is something that should be talked about very loudly, and very publicly.

Noor will go to prison, but the diversity fast track continues with NO public debate as to the merits and drawbacks of the program.

Imagine if we hired general surgeons on their ethnicity, and not their skills, education, and experience? Neurosurgeons? Air traffic controllers? Commercial airline pilots? At what point do we sacrifice competence, experience, and public safety for the sake of purely arbitrary ethnic and racial quotas? We need to have this discussion nationally, and loudly, IMO. Minneapolis just quickly agreed to $20 million dollars of hush money to protect their "diversity aspirations", IMO.

This posts nails it. This is exactly what the media needs to be writing about if we expect different outcomes. Thank you for the excellent post!
 
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On reading Thread 2, I see there is some discussion about the fast track training program.

Just going to put this cached article here, for others like me who only signed up to this thread more recently.


Fast-track training put officer Mohamed Noor on Minneapolis police force
Minneapolis made a significant financial investment in Mohamed Noor.
The officer who fatally shot Justine Damond graduated in 2015 from the city’s accelerated police cadet program. The seven-month training is a quicker, nontraditional route to policing aimed at helping those who already have a college degree enter law enforcement.

Critics of police training across the United States have called it long on command and control and short on instructing common sense approaches to slowing down confrontations and defusing hostile situations.

(My Note: Noor has a degree in business administration, management and economics ... not criminal justice or a related field, as is required for traditional entry into the Minneapolis police force.)

Fast-track training put officer Mohamed Noor on Minneapolis police force
 
  • #698
On reading Thread 2, I see there is some discussion about the fast track training program.

Just going to put this cached article here, for others like me who only signed up to this thread more recently.


Fast-track training put officer Mohamed Noor on Minneapolis police force
Minneapolis made a significant financial investment in Mohamed Noor.
The officer who fatally shot Justine Damond graduated in 2015 from the city’s accelerated police cadet program. The seven-month training is a quicker, nontraditional route to policing aimed at helping those who already have a college degree enter law enforcement.

Critics of police training across the United States have called it long on command and control and short on instructing common sense approaches to slowing down confrontations and defusing hostile situations.

(My Note: Noor has a degree in business administration, management and economics ... not criminal justice or a related field, as is required for traditional entry into the Minneapolis police force.)

Fast-track training put officer Mohamed Noor on Minneapolis police force

The above is BBM. I would just like to add that significant financial investment just got 20 million dollars higher so how did that work out for them? That is without the time and cost of trial...
 
  • #699
This case should be covered by Dateline or 48 hours: anybody know how we can contact those shows and get this shown to the world? everybody should know how corrupt the MPD was in this case and how Justine got justice.
 
  • #700
This case should be covered by Dateline or 48 hours: anybody know how we can contact those shows and get this shown to the world? everybody should know how corrupt the MPD was in this case and how Justine got justice.

Never happen. It does not fit MSM objectives. (Main Stream Media).
 

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