MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #3

[Rocco]

Never happen. It does not fit MSM objectives. (Main Stream Media).

And if it did happen, they'd put a spin on it to make it look like he didn't get a fair trial.

 

[PrairieWind]

no kidding ...i did not realize that was "part of the terms" how low can you go???? This family would have found the exact causes and gun violence would have been one anyway. I hate our local government.

I would say the mandated gift to the Minneapolis Foundation is a bit sleazy. This group has very little to do with prevention of gun violence. Its a political advocacy group. The city counsel probably supports them and vice versa, but the city can't give them money directly. So this is way to get around that and give them $2 million tax payer money.

 

[K_Z]

I would say the mandated gift to the Minneapolis Foundation is a bit sleazy. This group has very little to do with prevention of gun violence. Its a political advocacy group. The city counsel probably supports them and vice versa, but the city can't give them money directly. So this is way to get around that and give them $2 million tax payer money.

Exactly correct, PrairieWind. The "donation" of $2M to this fund, specifically earmarked for Gun Violence Prevention Grants was the sleaziest part of the settlement, IMO. Utterly appalling, IMO.

The $2M is earmarked for "Gun Violence Prevention Grants" administered thru the Minneapolis Foundation. Under different murder circumstances, that might be a plausible, and laudable, memorial donation stream.

But considering that Justine's death had absolutely NOTHING to do with "Gun Violence" as it is commonly understood (community based criminal gun violence by civilians against civilians), it is in my opinion a completely hateful slap in the face to Justine and her family. Justine was killed by a police officer, in her pajamas, after calling 911 to help someone who sounded like they were in severe distress. This is not in any way a "gun violence" problem. It is a POLICE TRAINING AND PERFORMANCE problem.

Masterful manipulation by those involved in the settlement talks.

Manipulating the family to contribute to "gun violence prevention" GRANTS from a heavily political "foundation", as a condition of the settlement amount. (Hmmm. Let the sleaziness of that sink in a bit.)

Make it "seem" like community based gun violence was somehow related to the cause of her death. How disgusting is that? Like she was a random victim of gang warfare or something??

The hubris of the denial wrapped up in that mandatory Minneapolis foundation "donation" is staggering. They may as well have mandated that Justine's family donate to Noor's prison commissary fund from the settlement. It's that ridiculous.

One has to wonder why the $2M wasn't earmarked for grants for better police training instead, since that deficit was *actually* part of the direct cause of her death. Perhaps for a "better" mandatory pre-academy training program for recruits on the "alternative fast track hiring path". But that doesn't fit the ideology of the leadership of Minneapolis, so we can't go there. We have to keep pretending Justine's death is somehow related to community based criminal gun violence, because that's what we have been told to think.

One can see from the amount of assets in the Minneapolis Foundation that another $2M wasn't essential to their "mission".

$890M assets under management. $70M in annual grants to the community. 1400 charitable funds administered.

https://www.minneapolisfoundation.org/

 

[mickey2942]

The most offensive part of the mandatory "donation" is the reference regarding "gun violence". Actually, Minneapolis !Foundation supports, NAACP. And look at the article written by this agency about the trial, it is terrible.
After a Black Cop Was Convicted of Killing a White Woman, Minnesota Activists Say Focus Should Be Police Reform

 

[SouthAussie]

The donation may seem sleazy but, sadly, it doesn't really matter. It's only money, and is not going to bring Justine back. But it may make a difference to those gun violence victims who are going to have input into where the money is spent. When looking at the Australian Story video I posted earlier, it seems that advocates for those victims have been a support to Justine's family through this ordeal.

For all we know, the $2,000,000 could have been slotted by the city to go elsewhere - and in the negotiations Justine's family only agreed to donating it if it went towards 'gun violence', and more specifically for police violence victims.
I personally think that Justine, and most Aussies, would be happy to donate to that cause - if they had to donate toward any cause in Minneapolis or the US.


The next morning, city officials began two days of mediation with the Ruszczyk family over the lawsuit. Though none involved would discuss those negotiations, Bennett characterized the meetings as "protracted, long days." They agreed on the dollar figure Thursday around 8 p.m., Bennett said.
"It was a struggle to arrive at, but people exhibited some compromise and some courage," he said.

City Council Member Jeremiah Ellison said the donation to the Minneapolis Foundation was a priority for the city, and the charity will take direct input from other victims of police violence on how to use that money.
Minneapolis agrees to pay $20 million in death of Justine Ruszczyk Damond

 

[they'll get you]

The above is BBM. I would just like to add that significant financial investment just got 20 million dollars higher so how did that work out for them? That is without the time and cost of trial...

One verrry expensive cop.

 

[they'll get you]

The most offensive part of the mandatory "donation" is the reference regarding "gun violence". Actually, Minneapolis !Foundation supports, NAACP. And look at the article written by this agency about the trial, it is terrible.
After a Black Cop Was Convicted of Killing a White Woman, Minnesota Activists Say Focus Should Be Police Reform

They could’ve written ‘Black Muslim cop kills white Christian woman’....but maybe they didn’t want to offend.

 

[they'll get you]

Exactly correct, PrairieWind. The "donation" of $2M to this fund, specifically earmarked for Gun Violence Prevention Grants was the sleaziest part of the settlement, IMO. Utterly appalling, IMO.

The $2M is earmarked for "Gun Violence Prevention Grants" administered thru the Minneapolis Foundation. Under different murder circumstances, that might be a plausible, and laudable, memorial donation stream.

But considering that Justine's death had absolutely NOTHING to do with "Gun Violence" as it is commonly understood (community based criminal gun violence by civilians against civilians), it is in my opinion a completely hateful slap in the face to Justine and her family. Justine was killed by a police officer, in her pajamas, after calling 911 to help someone who sounded like they were in severe distress. This is not in any way a "gun violence" problem. It is a POLICE TRAINING AND PERFORMANCE problem.

Masterful manipulation by those involved in the settlement talks.

Manipulating the family to contribute to "gun violence prevention" GRANTS from a heavily political "foundation", as a condition of the settlement amount. (Hmmm. Let the sleaziness of that sink in a bit.)

Make it "seem" like community based gun violence was somehow related to the cause of her death. How disgusting is that? Like she was a random victim of gang warfare or something??

The hubris of the denial wrapped up in that mandatory Minneapolis foundation "donation" is staggering. They may as well have mandated that Justine's family donate to Noor's prison commissary fund from the settlement. It's that ridiculous.

One has to wonder why the $2M wasn't earmarked for grants for better police training instead, since that deficit was *actually* part of the direct cause of her death. Perhaps for a "better" mandatory pre-academy training program for recruits on the "alternative fast track hiring path". But that doesn't fit the ideology of the leadership of Minneapolis, so we can't go there. We have to keep pretending Justine's death is somehow related to community based criminal gun violence, because that's what we have been told to think.

One can see from the amount of assets in the Minneapolis Foundation that another $2M wasn't essential to their "mission".

$890M assets under management. $70M in annual grants to the community. 1400 charitable funds administered.

https://www.minneapolisfoundation.org/

I love this post.

 

[SouthAussie]

It would be interesting to know how much this affected this arrest, this prosecution, this case ...... BBM


The fatal shooting has provoked international outrage and continued to resonate in Australia. Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull called it “a shocking killing” and said Australian officials are seeking closure for her family.

“We are demanding answers on behalf of her family, and our hearts go out to her family and all of her friends and loved ones,” Turnbull said in a television interview. “It’s a truly tragic, tragic killing … something clearly went tragically wrong.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...officer/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7a15cde36bf4

 

[ilovechili]

One verrry expensive cop.

Yup and one can add the cost of appeals that is sure to come...

 

[SouthAussie]

Yup and one can add the cost of appeals that is sure to come...

Do you think an appeal can still be lodged? I think the settlement of the lawsuit may have nullified that.

 

[mickey2942]

Do you think an appeal can still be lodged? I think the settlement of the lawsuit may have nullified that.

Noor can file an appeal, I just wonder how much longer the police union will pay his attorney fees. Who knows? Maybe the "Minnesota Foundation" will pick up the slack as part of their commitment to the community.

The settlement with the city won't affect the appeal process, in the appeal, Noor's attorneys will be seeking redress based on technical issues, evidentiary procedures, basically grasping for any reason to nullify the jury decision. I don't see that happening. That being said, jurors need to be very careful regarding what they say in interviews that could be used by the defense to get the jury decision overturned on some technicality.

 

[PrairieWind]

Do you think an appeal can still be lodged? I think the settlement of the lawsuit may have nullified that.

No, this settlement was to settle the civil lawsuit. It has nothing to do with the criminal case against Noor, whose conviction will certainly be appealed.

 

[PrairieWind]

The donation may seem sleazy but, sadly, it doesn't really matter. It's only money, and is not going to bring Justine back. But it may make a difference to those gun violence victims who are going to have input into where the money is spent. When looking at the Australian Story video I posted earlier, it seems that advocates for those victims have been a support to Justine's family through this ordeal.

For all we know, the $2,000,000 could have been slotted by the city to go elsewhere - and in the negotiations Justine's family only agreed to donating it if it went towards 'gun violence', and more specifically for police violence victims.
I personally think that Justine, and most Aussies, would be happy to donate to that cause - if they had to donate toward any cause in Minneapolis or the US.


The next morning, city officials began two days of mediation with the Ruszczyk family over the lawsuit. Though none involved would discuss those negotiations, Bennett characterized the meetings as "protracted, long days." They agreed on the dollar figure Thursday around 8 p.m., Bennett said.
"It was a struggle to arrive at, but people exhibited some compromise and some courage," he said.

City Council Member Jeremiah Ellison said the donation to the Minneapolis Foundation was a priority for the city, and the charity will take direct input from other victims of police violence on how to use that money.
Minneapolis agrees to pay $20 million in death of Justine Ruszczyk Damond

The problem with this donation is that it won't help gun violence victims. Its just a thinly disguised political donation to a political advocacy group that will in turn likely funnel the money into political coffers.

 

[ilovechili]

Do you think an appeal can still be lodged? I think the settlement of the lawsuit may have nullified that.

In the criminal case? I would count on it. Not in the civil case since for all intents and purposes it sounds like an agreement was reached.

 

[SouthAussie]

Thanks for the 'appeal' responses.
I guess I am more accustomed to our system, where appeals aren't a dime a dozen.

I thought that if the city had accepted liability on behalf of Noor's actions - by settling the lawsuit - that meant they accepted that Noor murdered Justine. And any further action by Noor and his attorneys would be redundant.

I didn't think about the technical nuances that Noor's attorneys would try to seek out.

 

[RubyHill]

The problem with this donation is that it won't help gun violence victims. Its just a thinly disguised political donation to a political advocacy group that will in turn likely funnel the money into political coffers.

That is sad to hear.

 

[RubyHill]

I just feel so sad for the family,this should never have happened,there is no excuse for what he did no matter what his defence was.
I have many American friends via the internet but I have no wish to visit there,The Chris Lane case still haunts me,no offence intended.

 

[MsFacetious]

Thanks for the 'appeal' responses.
I guess I am more accustomed to our system, where appeals aren't a dime a dozen.

I thought that if the city had accepted liability on behalf of Noor's actions - by settling the lawsuit - that meant they accepted that Noor murdered Justine. And any further action by Noor and his attorneys would be redundant.

I didn't think about the technical nuances that Noor's attorneys would try to seek out.

The city accepting liability doesn't mean Noor accepts guilt. In fact it doesn't even mean the city believes Noor committed murder. The city hired a cop who killed a woman. It's that simple. Them admitting that doesn't have anything to do with his criminal case.

 

[SouthAussie]

New article ....


The fiance of an unarmed woman killed by a former Minneapolis police officer said he wants police nationwide to learn from the case. Don Damond told "CBS This Morning," "This is a policing issue," in his first sit-down interview since former Minneapolis police officer Mohamed Noor was found guilty last week of murdering Justine Damond nearly two years ago.

"I cannot even still get my arms around how this could happen," Damond said.

Calling for change, Don is hoping police can learn from his heartbreak.

"I would like the Minneapolis Police Department to go back and consider what- how officers are trained," Don said. "I can understand where Black Lives Matter is so angry because you can see the unjustified shooting across this nation, but this is a blue issue."

Justine Damond's fiancé describes conversation minutes before her death