MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #3

[mickey2942]

I was looking at the Philando Castile case. According to one juror, the wording of the law was the main factor leading to the verdict.

@PrairieWind was saying this might an obstacle for jurors.

On July 6, 2016, Philando Castile, a 32-year-old black American, was pulled over while driving in Falcon Heights, MN who was shot killed by Officer Yanez.

After five days and more than 25 hours of deliberation, the jury decided that the state had not met its burden for a conviction. Yanez would have faced up to 10 years under Minnesota law if he had been convicted. The jury that determined Yanez's fate consisted of seven men and five women. Two jurors were black. Following the acquittal, a jury member told the press that the specific wording of the law regarding culpable negligence was the main factor among many leading to the verdict.

Shooting of Philando Castile - Wikipedia

This is disturbing. But doesn't come close to the Noor Trial. Justine didn't have a gun. She was wearing pink pajamas.

Noor was terminated after the incident. Yanez was not. That, in and of itself, does carry some weight.

 

[human]

Here is how the police are trained in Minneapolis

Minneapolis' Mayor Wants to End 'Warrior' Training That Teaches Cops to Treat Us All Like Threats

 

[Tippy Lynn]

This is disturbing. But doesn't come close to the Noor Trial. Justine didn't have a gun. She was wearing pink pajamas.

Noor was terminated after the incident. Yanez was not. That, in and of itself, does carry some weight.

There are definitely glaring differences between the two officer involved shootings. I just thought it was interesting, especially since the wording of the law was mentioned previously.

 

[mickey2942]

Here is how the police are trained in Minneapolis

Minneapolis' Mayor Wants to End 'Warrior' Training That Teaches Cops to Treat Us All Like Threats

That is terrible. Police officers have changed a lot in the last 50 years. I remember the officers in our town when I was little, they walked around, knew everyone, no one was afraid of them.

Now, I feel threatened when stopped for speeding! An officer approached our car from behind with his hand on his gun! Two elderly white folk? Really?!

 

[Via Marple]

That is terrible. Police officers have changed a lot in the last 50 years. I remember the officers in our town when I was little, they walked around, knew everyone, no one was afraid of them.

Now, I feel threatened when stopped for speeding! An officer approached our car from behind with his hand on his gun! Two elderly white folk? Really?!

Well maybe you look like a nanny but you carry a gun, and speed!

 

[mickey2942]

Well maybe you look like a nanny but you carry a gun, and speed!

It was a setup! We were driving on MT 83, speed limit is 65, go around a corner, it is 30! Signs? Oh, the one behind the tree?! I would have fought it, but why bother, it probably pays his salary.

 

[human]

That is terrible. Police officers have changed a lot in the last 50 years. I remember the officers in our town when I was little, they walked around, knew everyone, no one was afraid of them.

Now, I feel threatened when stopped for speeding! An officer approached our car from behind with his hand on his gun! Two elderly white folk? Really?!

When I was a kid the officer was your friend.

Now I am terrified of them

 

[MyBelle]

delete

 

[turaj]

Noor trial: Closing arguments done, case goes to jury

Probably one of the better run downs on the case as info is tight here in MSP. Don't like the neighbors hearing the noises...this could leave some doubt even though no fingerprints on the car. Somehow with that jury make up I think despite being sequestered this could take some time...will have to say Noor protecting his partner seems a very big stretch!!

 

[turaj]

Here is how the police are trained in Minneapolis

Minneapolis' Mayor Wants to End 'Warrior' Training That Teaches Cops to Treat Us All Like Threats

and boy is the mayor getting push back on this...not sure it will happen.

 

[turaj]

in defense closing attorney said "“Mr Noor acted as he was trained,” Plunkett said. “He acted as a reasonable police officer.” Boy that one could give the jurors some serious discussion. Is the system really on trial here..the MSP police department? Will Noor get a pass because the entire system is flawed? One could look at the recent changes the mayor wants to make in "warrior training"!!! The more I read on this case the more concerned I get for Justine's family. They are not from this country and are probably having a hard time understanding how our system works.

 

[PrairieWind]

in defense closing attorney said "“Mr Noor acted as he was trained,” Plunkett said. “He acted as a reasonable police officer.” Boy that one could give the jurors some serious discussion. Is the system really on trial here..the MSP police department? Will Noor get a pass because the entire system is flawed? One could look at the recent changes the mayor wants to make in "warrior training"!!! The more I read on this case the more concerned I get for Justine's family. They are not from this country and are probably having a hard time understanding how our system works.

It might have been best if the Mayor had not said anything about ending the "Warrior Training" until after the trial.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

It might have been best if the Mayor had not said anything about ending the "Warrior Training" until after the trial.

Maybe the timing of the statement the Mayor made to end the "Warrior Training" was intentional.

 

[Simply Southern]

Maybe the timing of the statement the Mayor made to end the "Warrior Training" was intentional.

I was thinking the same thing. Perfect timing.

 

[PrairieWind]

Maybe the timing of the statement the Mayor made to end the "Warrior Training" was intentional.

My point is that, while jurors are not supposed to read or watch news during a trial, we all know that they sometimes do. If a juror sees the story about the Mayor ended this training, the juror may conclude that Noor was indeed trained to do exactly what he did. They could conclude the system is flawed, not Noor, and acquit him.

 

[Simply Southern]

My point is that, while jurors are not supposed to read or watch news during a trial, we all know that they sometimes do. If a juror sees the story about the Mayor ended this training, the juror may conclude that Noor was indeed trained to do exactly what he did. They could conclude the system is flawed, not Noor, and acquit him.

If he is found not guilty/aquited, would that alleviate liability for the city?

 

[Tippy Lynn]

My point is that, while jurors are not supposed to read or watch news during a trial, we all know that they sometimes do. If a juror sees the story about the Mayor ended this training, the juror may conclude that Noor was indeed trained to do exactly what he did. They could conclude the system is flawed, not Noor, and acquit him.

Right, I understood your point.

My point was maybe the Mayor made that statement hoping the jury would come to that conclusion. I mean....what city official wants a black mark such as a police officer being criminally charged with fatally shooting an innocent resident hanging over the city they represent.

 

[PrairieWind]

If he is found not guilty/aquited, would that alleviate liability for the city?

No. Noor's criminal culpability is separate from civil liability of him and the city.

 

[lonetraveler]

Any action from the jury yet?

 

[PrairieWind]

Right, I understood your point.

My point was maybe the Mayor made that statement hoping the jury would come to that conclusion. I mean....what city official wants a black mark such as a police officer being criminally charged with fatally shooting an innocent resident hanging over the city they represent.

I suppose its possible, but its really throwing the entire police department under the bus. But that could also be possible. The politics of Minneapolis's Somali population has certainly been an issue in this case. The Mayor might toss the PD under the bus to placate certain other interests.