MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #3

[ilovechili]

I don't like comparing "Apples to Squid", each police officer involved shooting has a separate series of events that occurred.

What I really can't stand is the implication in any police officer shooting, that race is a major factor. It is not. If Officer Noor had been white, and he shot a white woman, I believe that the outcome would have been exactly the same.

This is not about race.

I agree with you this case is not about race and all seem to be made into that if there are two different races (isn't that discrimination right there?).

I agree with you, each case is different as are events, just as all people are no matter their occupation, race, religion or anything else. There are good, bad and everything in between.

He was not found guilty of first or second degree murder. He was found guilty of third. The jury of 12 of different races felt it fit the facts.

Entirely jmo.

 

[PrairieWind]

The juror said he believes Justine DID make contact with the police cruiser. That is interaction initiated by Justine.

JMO

Juror reflects on Noor verdict

But Noor didn't know what that sound was or who made it. He just saw a person outside Harrity's window, and without determining who it was, shot that person. Since they were there to investigate a possible rape, it would be reasonable to assume a woman coming up to the car would be the victim. That was Noor's mistake: he never took time to identify who/what his target was.

 

[they'll get you]

But Noor didn't know what that sound was or who made it. He just saw a person outside Harrity's window, and without determining who it was, shot that person. Since they were there to investigate a possible rape, it would be reasonable to assume a woman coming up to the car would be the victim. That was Noor's mistake: he never took time to identify who/what his target was.

Thank you PrairieWind that’s been my thoughts.
Imagine a rape victim woman running towards a police car in a fit of hysteria for help, banging on it and possible trying to get in, as I would.

The public should never be in fear of police.

 

[Rocco]

The juror said he believes Justine DID make contact with the police cruiser. That is interaction initiated by Justine.

JMO

Juror reflects on Noor verdict

ONE juror said in his opinion she probably made contact with the car. That doesn't mean they all thought that since there was no proof. And if it happened, which is doubtful, it's an action by Justine, not an interaction.

 

[PrairieWind]

ONE juror said in his opinion she probably made contact with the car. That doesn't mean they all thought that since there was no proof. And if it happened, which is doubtful, it's an action by Justine, not an interaction.

I think its very unlikely that she did. There is no evidence she did and it wouldn't fit. If anything, I would think she would have maybe said something "hey, stop" or something.

 

[MyBelle]

But Noor didn't know what that sound was or who made it. He just saw a person outside Harrity's window, and without determining who it was, shot that person. Since they were there to investigate a possible rape, it would be reasonable to assume a woman coming up to the car would be the victim. That was Noor's mistake: he never took time to identify who/what his target was.

Every heard of "swatting" iow fake 911 call to lure police?

Noor was there investigating noises in the alley and possible assault. He knew the sound was to the back of his cruiser and saw a person at the car. Why would he assume there was no danger to himself or his partner when, in fact, a female NYC police officer was shot and killed a week or so before through the window of her cruiser? Swatting had happened years earlier to a two Mpls police officers.

JMO

The suspect, identified as Marsenior Pede Johnson, 38, told police “he called 911 to report being robbed as he wanted to hurt police officers when they arrived to talk to him,” Palmer said in a statement.


The 911 call came in about 11:20 p.m. Tuesday, Aug. 21, according to police. The two responding officers spotted Johnson, who they believed was the victim of the purported robbery, at the intersection, on the south side of Minnehaha Creek.


When the officers confronted Johnson, he reportedly first stabbed the male officer, who was not hurt because of his protective armor, according to the police statement. Johnson then attacked the female officer, stabbing her in the upper back.


The other officer, a 9-year department veteran, shot the suspect “to defend his partner,” the police statement said.

Minneapolis: Suspect called 911 to lure cops, stabbed both, police say – Twin Cities

 

[MyBelle]

ONE juror said in his opinion she probably made contact with the car. That doesn't mean they all thought that since there was no proof. And if it happened, which is doubtful, it's an action by Justine, not an interaction.

Hitting a police car with anything is an interaction.

JMO

 

[Rocco]

Minneapolis police chief Medaria Arradondo:

Arradondo also told prosecutors at Noor's trial there were no concerns that night about Noor and his partner, officer Matthew Harrity, driving into a potential ambush in Ruszczyk's Fulton neighborhood alley.

Noor trial: Chief says no talk of thump on squad after Ruszczyk...

 

[SouthAussie]

Hitting a police car with anything is an interaction.

JMO

I highly doubt Justine hit the police car.

If you knew Aussies, that is not something we would do. We might call out "Excuse me" "Hello" ... something like that, if we needed to attract attention. We would not hit the car.
In addition, Justine came from a very 'nice' area of her state. Would have been brought up the 'right way'. To be polite, respectful and helpful to the police. imo

 

[Rocco]

Hitting a police car with anything is an interaction.

JMO

It takes 2 or more to INTERact.

 

[Rocco]

I highly doubt Justine hit the police car.

If you knew Aussies, that is not something we would do. We might call out "Excuse me" "Hello" ... something like that, if we needed to attract attention. We would not hit the car.
In addition, Justine came from a very 'nice' area of her state. Would have been brought up the 'right way'. To be polite, respectful and helpful to the police. imo

If it had happened, it wouldn't have taken them 3 days mention it. They would have said so right away so investigators could make some sense of what happened.

I guess they decided the 'slap the car' story would be better than 'I thought her cell phone was a gun' story so they went with that. Maybe they deliberated about that since it took them three days.

 

[SouthAussie]

If it had happened, it wouldn't have taken them 3 days mention it. They would have said so right away so investigators could make some sense of what happened.

I guess they decided the 'slap the car' story would be better than 'I thought her cell phone was a gun' story so they went with that. Maybe they deliberated about that since it took them three days.

Yes, I agree.
They were trying to present a reason, any reason, that might justify Noor's behaviour. Whether it was the truth or not.

 

[turaj]

This case caught my attention when it happened, because it was so unlike anything I’d ever seen before.

Usually in a police shooting, the officers are engaging with a suspect, or responding to a report of “a man with a gun.”

They have reason to be on edge, whether a weapon is found or not.

A lot of times the suspect acts in a provocative manner.

This wasn’t like that, not by a long shot.

The woman who called police for help, ended up being shot for no reason.

She didn’t act provocatively, and officers weren’t looking for someone who matched her description.

This was as bizarre as it was egregious.

Yes all that you say struck me as well...also if you could see the neighborhood and spot where this went down it would make it all the more puzzling. Precinct 5 and especially this area frankly has so little crime that it is beyond credible that someone was that on edge...ambush? There are areas in Minneapolis where that explanation might gain some traction but not this area.

 

[Rocco]

Yes all that you say struck me as well...also if you could see the neighborhood and spot where this went down it would make it all the more puzzling. Precinct 5 and especially this area frankly has so little crime that it is beyond credible that someone was that on edge...ambush? There are areas in Minneapolis where that explanation might gain some traction but not this area.

turaj---Do you happen to remember what the Judge said about the defense not being able to bring up anything about an ambush since there was no reason for them to believe they were going to be ambushed on this call?

 

[turaj]

Hitting a police car with anything is an interaction.

JMO

If she did bang the car it was a big mistake...coming out of her home was a fatal mistake...I am sure Don Damond looks back and wishes he had made sure she stayed inside...but she did not and still should be alive.

 

[turaj]

turaj---Do you happen to remember what the Judge said about the defense not being able to bring up anything about an ambush since there was no reason for them to believe they were going to be ambushed on this call?

I don't remember. I live nearby in similar neighborhood (no alleys though) and I have never heard the term ambush used anywhere near here....lucky if they get some traffic stops during their shift. Including that in courtroom would have just gone against Noor and they did not need it.

 

[ilovewings]

Juror speaks about verdict:

Juror reflects on Noor verdict



"Kapelsohn always felt a little off. Trying to show photos off his cell phone in the middle of testimony was probably the most embarrassing moment of the trial. Doing crime scene recreations without showing measurements, and the whole lifting the fingers and going “bang,” doing the demonstration of Noor’s weapon and Harrity’s holster was just weird. Plus, his testimony in the other case where he was arguing against almost an identical set of facts did hurt his credibility a little bit."

He was trying to show photos off his cell phone in the middle of testimony?

Say it ain't so!!

I highly doubt Justine hit the police car.

If you knew Aussies, that is not something we would do. We might call out "Excuse me" "Hello" ... something like that, if we needed to attract attention. We would not hit the car.
In addition, Justine came from a very 'nice' area of her state. Would have been brought up the 'right way'. To be polite, respectful and helpful to the police. imo

I highly doubt Justine hit the police car.

If you knew Aussies, that is not something we would do. We might call out "Excuse me" "Hello" ... something like that, if we needed to attract attention. We would not hit the car.
In addition, Justine came from a very 'nice' area of her state. Would have been brought up the 'right way'. To be polite, respectful and helpful to the police. imo

I think its very unlikely that she did. There is no evidence she did and it wouldn't fit. If anything, I would think she would have maybe said something "hey, stop" or something.

I don't believe she slapped the police vehicle or did anything to touch that vehicle.

 

[they'll get you]

I highly doubt Justine hit the police car.

If you knew Aussies, that is not something we would do. We might call out "Excuse me" "Hello" ... something like that, if we needed to attract attention. We would not hit the car.
In addition, Justine came from a very 'nice' area of her state. Would have been brought up the 'right way'. To be polite, respectful and helpful to the police. imo

Anyone from our beautiful harbor side city of Sydney knows Manly to be a affluent beachside area which would have minimal problems.
I agree with SouthAussie that we would have no hesitation on calling out but we would not bash at a car, anyone's car and certainly not a cop car.

Justine Ruszczyk Damond, 40, graduated from the University of Sydney as a veterinarian surgeon before travelling the world in her 20s and going on to study yoga and meditation for 17 years.

She graduated from Manly High School in 1995, ranking on the Order of Merit list.
Spiritual journey ends in bloody nightmare

 

[zencompass]

My heart continues to go out to Justine's loved ones.

The trial must have been so difficult for them, on top of their tremendous loss.

May they continue to hold one another close with love and support.

 

[they'll get you]

Justine was shot in her abdomen not her chest area so IMO she was she must have been standing further away from the vehicle.
How would it be possible for Noor to lean over the driver and hit her abdomen if she was standing at the vehicle.


After 'Noor shot her, Ms Damond put her hands on the gunshot wound on the left side of her abdomen'
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-...-justine-damond-shooting-20180321-p4z5d2.html