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I agree. Unless people from both sides do something, this is going to keep on happening. I fear for your country.I believe that’s the plan from the regime, scare us into submission
I agree. Unless people from both sides do something, this is going to keep on happening. I fear for your country.I believe that’s the plan from the regime, scare us into submission
Except the head of DHS has repeatedly and firmly said the agents are trained and followed protocol. She is supposed to be the authority who would know.I guess the ones that shot people and who are charged with murder (if not soon, years from now) can use that as their defense/mitigating circumstances.
MOO
I see no clear evidence of what went down in the tussell. There is no charge of murder so that terminology in my opinion is inappropriate.Too many videos out there already from witnesses and bystanders to spin this any other way than murder, millions of eyes have seen
Tussel?? How dismissive
Good thing there are at least 3 very clear videos of the incident to help in evidence collection.If there's a charge of murder in this incident I'd be grateful to see definitive evidence of said charge.
If the decedent's firearm was holstered I'd be grateful to see definitive evidence therof.
My opinion is that there is much subjective speculation relative to this incident but at this juncture little factual evidence exists of what truly occurred in the tussell seen in the vids.
Do something?I agree. Unless people from both sides do something, this is going to keep on happening. I fear for your country.
Yes, and Pretti was also a federal employee at the VA, a member of the American Federation of Government Employees Union Local 3669.Yeah, I think if he were a veteran, we'd know by now. Though, working at the VA Hospital is a form of service to the nation, imo.
jmo
I don't see how anyone can defend ICE after this. Psychopaths masquerading as immigration enforcement.
They would of killed him anyway, legally carried gun or NOT. IMOThe Military Times article, pulling from the Associated Press, is in the Veterans section of their news, but doesn't indicate that he was a veteran. He is probably there because of his service to the VA hospital. He was a Boy Scout and sang in a boy's choir in school.
His ex-wife said that "Pretti got a permit to carry a concealed firearm about three years ago and that he owned at least one semiautomatic handgun when they separated."
His neighbors "knew he had guns — he’d occasionally take a rifle to shoot at a gun range — but were surprised at the idea that he might carry a pistol on the streets."
The article also notes that he lived about 2 miles away from the location where he was shot and killed.
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Man killed by US Border Patrol officer in Minneapolis was VA nurse
Alex Jeffrey Pretti, 37, was an intensive care nurse at a Department of Veterans Affairs, his family said.www.militarytimes.com
Indeed. Rules for thee but not for me.They would of killed him anyway, legally carried gun or NOT. IMO
Weird protocol, shooting people dead and walking away.Except the head of DHS has repeatedly and firmly said the agents are trained and followed protocol. She is supposed to be the authority who would know.
Therefore, it seems, their training offers no defense.
jmop
why out of all these people is it AP who gets killed? Is it random who ICE kills? why didn't they just handcuff him?Do something?
Thousands upon thousands upon thousands of peaceful protesters took to the streets in Minneapolis yesterday in frigid weather with the clear statement, "GET OUT, ICE."
There have been protesters every day in Minnesota.
Minnesotans are sharing videos of ICE tactics all over the internet.
Local elected officials are calling for ICE TO GET OUT. The Governor today called the White House to say, STOP. This is not the first request.
Please don't say people aren't doing anything.
As I type this comment, thousands of Minnesotans are at the site of today's killing - in frigid weather - and have been there non-stop since this morning. They are crying out, "GET OUT ICE."
jmopinion
Here's the Tincher v. Noem (0:25-cv-04669) case file that this testimony is added to. This latest testimony is near the bottom. The person who testified was one of the people who was videoing during the killing, and the filing indicates that the video was submitted with the testimony.Lawyers file declaration in federal court from first-hand witness to immigration agents' shooting of a US citizen onlookers today. Minneapolis Mayor Frey said details would be used to bolster case for ousting ICE from city.
Doc: https://documentcloud.org/documents/26505743-tinchersealedwitnessdec012426pdf/