MN - One dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US media report, January 24, 2026
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Hi Snoopster, that is the million-dollar question. We know the feds and state LE have worked together in the past. However, that is not happening in this case. According to Gov. Walz, the feds are refusing to help with the state investigation.
This is a state case. It is up to the state to file charges. I hope they can decide one way or another and give us a definitive answer.
Minnesota officials say they can't access evidence after fatal ICE shooting and FBI won't work jointly on investigation
Hennepin County Attorney Mary Moriarty said her office is “exploring all options to ensure a state level investigation can continue” and that they’re “speaking to our local partners on paths forward.”
www.pbs.org
He had a high caliber weapon, a super duper gun - it was simultaneously the gun being taken and ice shooting, how was ice supposed to know he wasn't reaching for another weapon or the exact one that was being removed from him, they were protecting the ice agents as they should of been - he shouldn't of been fighting w/ICE nor had any weapon to use against ICE - it is their job to get illegals out! illegals were told to deport - free trip home and cash on arrival to your home and then you can come back legally! if they have to come and get you, you'll be banned for 10 years or more - leave ice alone to do their job, comply with the officers - respect the officers - all law enforcement should be supported & all law enforcement should be getting illegals out of this country - as its the law and illegals breed crime and are criminals due to the simple fact of them being here illegally
Not simultaneously. First his gun was removed. ICE steps back holding the gun. Then ICE starts shooting him.
He was not fighting the ICE.
He could not reach for a gun because he is pinned down and his hands are visible, and they hold nothing.
Please watch this video, step by step footage and very clear images.
Minneapolis live: Protesters gather in Minneapolis as governor calls on Trump to remove agents after shooting
Alex Pretti, a 37-year-old nurse, was killed by federal immigration officers in Minneapolis on Saturday.
www.bbc.co.uk
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I applaud the good people of Minnesota for their restraint.
JMO
i would think this should be a real American concern. Much of the lawless violent behavior I have seen feels tailored to provoke an equally lawless violent response.
I applaud the good people of Minnesota for their restraint.
JMO
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https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/f...-05-department-policy-on-the-use-of-force.pdf
DHS's own policies on the use of force are very illuminating.
It recommends de-escalation. It says force may only be used if it is "objectively reasonable" in light of the circumstances. You must be in direct fear of your life, warn the subject and allow them time to comply before the use of lethal force.
Pretti did not have his gun out at any point. He was on the ground after being pepper-sprayed. Not endangering the lives of officers or anyone else. He was shot many times.
I understand that we are in a dark place in this country with people being very strongly attached to and immovable in their particular beliefs. But the facts of this case - video and sworn testimony of witnesses - do not support or allow for the fatal shooting of Pretti. Pretti was not engaging in "threatening behavior that justified the use of deadly force." They broke their own rules and there needs to be an independent investigation. I truly hope there is one.
DHS's own policies on the use of force are very illuminating.
It recommends de-escalation. It says force may only be used if it is "objectively reasonable" in light of the circumstances. You must be in direct fear of your life, warn the subject and allow them time to comply before the use of lethal force.
Pretti did not have his gun out at any point. He was on the ground after being pepper-sprayed. Not endangering the lives of officers or anyone else. He was shot many times.
I understand that we are in a dark place in this country with people being very strongly attached to and immovable in their particular beliefs. But the facts of this case - video and sworn testimony of witnesses - do not support or allow for the fatal shooting of Pretti. Pretti was not engaging in "threatening behavior that justified the use of deadly force." They broke their own rules and there needs to be an independent investigation. I truly hope there is one.
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I 100% support ICE and I also have numerous friends, co-workers & family that are a part of the LE community that also 100% support every effort ICE agents are involved in currently.
I'm also a legal immigrant so, all of the above may influence my take-away on all these things. I fully admit that, upfront. My viewpoint IS based on my experiences.
I'll address a few things you've asked because I think they're really important questions and I appreciate that you're thinking about this as deeply as you are. I am too. I think most of us are.
Q1: "is the loss of US citizens' lives and violence used to detain illegal immigrants worth it to deport illegal immigrants?"
Answer: What IS actually happening as far as the MSM (and indy media alike) are reporting, is that some politically active Americans are inserting themselves into US Federal immigration investigative operations that they have no business standing in the way of. When politically active civilians step into the path of an LE investigation, it almost always turns into a devastating mess. This is the actual cause of "the loss of US citisens lives" that you're asking about.
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Q2: "For those who support ICE, is there any part of their current powers that makes you feel uncomfortable?"
Answer: YES. Everything about the current situation makes me feel uncomfortable. The amount of illegals living in the country, and the amount of LE it's going to take to legally remove them is all, 100% entirely uncomfortable. None of it's right, and none of it should have ever happened but, here we are.
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Q3: "That they are masked?"
Answer: NO. If I or a family member or loved one was working for ICE, I'd absolutely insist on having identity fully, 100% protected as much as able. There are CRAZY people out there who love violence, who dox, harass and incite their followers to do the same.
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Apologies if this has already been posted. It’s interesting to note the terms Pam B suggests will get ICE out of Minnesota -
people.com
“The attorney general then makes three demands of Walz in her letter, which she writes can "bring an end to the chaos in Minnesota": 1) share state records of everyone who is collecting welfare, 2) repeal state sanctuary policies, and 3) allow the Justice Department to access Minnesota's voter rolls ahead of upcoming elections.”
Pam Bondi Tells Tim Walz That Handing Over Minnesota's Voter Rolls Can Help Prevent Another 'National Tragedy': Read Her Full Letter
U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi wrote a three-point letter of demands to Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz after American ICU nurse Alex Pretti was fatally shot by Border Patrol on Jan. 25
“The attorney general then makes three demands of Walz in her letter, which she writes can "bring an end to the chaos in Minnesota": 1) share state records of everyone who is collecting welfare, 2) repeal state sanctuary policies, and 3) allow the Justice Department to access Minnesota's voter rolls ahead of upcoming elections.”
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Why do they so desperately want the voter rolls? IMO handing them over would put more citizens at risk.Apologies if this has already been posted. It’s interesting to note imo
Pam Bondi Tells Tim Walz That Handing Over Minnesota's Voter Rolls Can Help Prevent Another 'National Tragedy': Read Her Full Letter
U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi wrote a three-point letter of demands to Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz after American ICU nurse Alex Pretti was fatally shot by Border Patrol on Jan. 25
If they want voter rolls from one state why not each and every state? I believe there is a sneaky agenda behind it.
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Is Minnesota a swing state?
..but crazy people who love violence, two homicides with clear videos and condemned by other LE, wonder why the term you use as illegals is not people and why the great personal concern on that particular issue. Wonder why it is first priority over what the world has seen clearly by the group who didn't detain, but attacked, sprayed with pepper spray, held him down while it's seen one man took the holstered gun away from the murdered person and took off with it, THEN it's shown the direct execution while down and shot multiple times. This is not an assumption, it's been seen clearly. Hate eats away at a person and gets in the way of a lot of possibilities in one's life. IMO
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They actually do want voter rolls from every state. Some states (all red states) have already turned theirs over. But many more are actually refusing and there’s a lawsuit attached to it. Trump has sued 20 states for refusing to turn over the data.
Map shows states that have handed over voter information to Trump admin
Texas has become the latest state to share its voter roll with the Justice Department.
www.newsweek.com
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I really appreciate you answering, so just a few questions if you still feel like answering or anyone else:
In regards to citizens 'inserting themselves' into operations, has there ever been a situation involving an LE shooting, escalation or altercation that you believe LE were responsible for, they overreached or were using their powers to commit a crime under legislation i.e. manslaughter, murder, assault?
Sometimes US citizens, like in many other countries, will base their protests on these types of scenarios, where they DO believe LE, or in this case ICE, are acting outside the legalities of their role. I would say that protesting when the topic of the protest is this type of interpretation would seem very appropriate. I also believe an appropriate response from the government would be to ensure that ICE identify these risks, as in a pretty stock standard risk assessment that is a very basic and simple step to implement, so they can be trained appropriately to deal with protesters with dignity and respect, how to deescalate, and not to overstep the purpose of their role. If that means pausing ICE engagement temporarily to ensure every single one of their agents receive this training, would this not seem sensible?
I also believe that ICE agents should be under incredible scrutiny by the government right now, and ensuring that anyone getting heavy handed, acting outside the law or engaging in aggressive behaviour be stood down, if they truly wanted to focus on their goal and not put citizens or anyone else at risk. If they REALLY wanted cooperation, my guess is they would prioritise this. Unless the government wants unrest?
I also hope they are telling their ICE agents that they can do very little to protect them if they engage in unlawful behaviour. They can and will be prosecuted, and face a very real threat of incarceration if they don't abide by the law. This could happen now or under a new government, so lack of immediate consequences or appropriate investigations does not mean there will never be any consequences. And wearing a mask won't stop this.
I also am still curious as to how far support of ICE goes in relation to number of deaths before it is deemed too risky an operation. Is there a limit or will we read in 3 months time that 100 citizens have been killed? This is a possibility given the tensions and movements into other states.
I appreciate you answering Q2 - are you saying that you feel uncomfortable that ICE don't have ENOUGH power to fulfil the goal?
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In Nazi Germany, people had to suddenly be forced to sew a yellow star on their outerwear, seems the same will happen by a forced take of people's personal information if they deem. Mark 'them'. IMOThey actually do want voter rolls from every state. Some states (all red states) have already turned theirs over. But many more are actually refusing and there’s a lawsuit attached to it. Trump has sued 20 states for refusing to turn over the data.
Map shows states that have handed over voter information to Trump admin
Texas has become the latest state to share its voter roll with the Justice Department.
Very well-written letter from U.S. Attorney General Bondi. It covers all the issues that the federal government is investigating in Minnesota, as well as Minnesota's leaders refusal to cooperate with federal immigration agents and the issue of illegal immigration and their state. Lays it all out very well.Apologies if this has already been posted. It’s interesting to note the terms Pam B suggests will get ICE out of Minnesota -
Pam Bondi Tells Tim Walz That Handing Over Minnesota's Voter Rolls Can Help Prevent Another 'National Tragedy': Read Her Full Letter
U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi wrote a three-point letter of demands to Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz after American ICU nurse Alex Pretti was fatally shot by Border Patrol on Jan. 25
“The attorney general then makes three demands of Walz in her letter, which she writes can "bring an end to the chaos in Minnesota": 1) share state records of everyone who is collecting welfare, 2) repeal state sanctuary policies, and 3) allow the Justice Department to access Minnesota's voter rolls ahead of upcoming elections.”
Minneapolis man says he was detained for hours after witnessing Alex Pretti shooting
Minneapolis man says he was detained for hours after witnessing Alex Pretti shooting
New affidavits filed in court detail how witnesses were arrested immediately after the shooting of Alex Pretti.
www.cbsnews.com
Of course, very Iran and Russia for sure behavior that is seen worldwide. IMOMinneapolis man says he was detained for hours after witnessing Alex Pretti shooting
Minneapolis man says he was detained for hours after witnessing Alex Pretti shooting
New affidavits filed in court detail how witnesses were arrested immediately after the shooting of Alex Pretti.
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It’s not really a swing state but it is a blue state that has voted against Trump in the last 3 elections. And Tim Walz the governor was running for VP against Trump in 2024. Those are some of the reasons I believe he has sent a very strong ICE presence to that state, especially because they actually have one of the lowest number of illegal immigrants nationwide. All MOO.
Here’s a chart that breaks down how many undocumented immigrants per state. Google says Minnesota has about 78,000-120,000 undocumented immigrants, which is 1.6% of their population.
Infographic: Where Do Undocumented Immigrants Live in the U.S.?
This chart shows estimates for undocumented immigrant populations in the U.S. in 2017.
www.statista.com
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They actually do want voter rolls from every state. Some states (all red states) have already turned theirs over. But many more are actually refusing and there’s a lawsuit attached to it. Trump has sued 20 states for refusing to turn over the data.
Map shows states that have handed over voter information to Trump admin
Texas has become the latest state to share its voter roll with the Justice Department.
From your link
Some have condemned the requests as an attempt by the White House to create a national database of voters and restrict access.
“The requests cover sensitive, private information such as driver’s license numbers and partial Social Security numbers. Its collection by the federal government raises serious privacy and security concerns and may violate state and federal laws.”
“What the DOJ is trying to do is something that should frighten everybody across the political spectrum. They’re trying to use the power of the executive branch to bully states into turning over highly sensitive data: date of birth, Social Security number, driver’s license—the holy trinity of identity theft.”
IMO this is all about interfering in future elections.
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That’s taken out of context. imo.Apologies if this has already been posted. It’s interesting to note the terms Pam B suggests will get ICE out of Minnesota -
Pam Bondi Tells Tim Walz That Handing Over Minnesota's Voter Rolls Can Help Prevent Another 'National Tragedy': Read Her Full Letter
U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi wrote a three-point letter of demands to Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz after American ICU nurse Alex Pretti was fatally shot by Border Patrol on Jan. 25
“The attorney general then makes three demands of Walz in her letter, which she writes can "bring an end to the chaos in Minnesota": 1) share state records of everyone who is collecting welfare, 2) repeal state sanctuary policies, and 3) allow the Justice Department to access Minnesota's voter rolls ahead of upcoming elections.”
I would encourage people to read the actual letter rather than relying on clickbait headlines.
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