MN - One dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US media report, January 24, 2026

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... for those supporting ICE - is the loss of US citizens' lives and violence used to detain illegal immigrants worth it to deport illegal immigrants? If so, is there a limit to the number of deaths or the number of people seriously injured i.e. 2, 5, 20, 100, 1000? At what point would the risk outweigh the so-called benefits? I am genuinely curious.

And for those who support ICE, is there any part of their current powers that makes you feel uncomfortable? That there is a power displacement with lethal consequences? That they are masked? That they are easily distracted from their task at hand? What instructions they have been given and how to fulfil their task? Accountability? Transparency? Is there any part of this that feels uncomfortable or that things have gone too far? Is the death of US citizens just an unfortunate consequence of implementing this?
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I 100% support ICE and I also have numerous friends, co-workers & family that are a part of the LE community that also 100% support every effort ICE agents are involved in currently.

I'm also a legal immigrant so, all of the above may influence my take-away on all these things. I fully admit that, upfront. My viewpoint IS based on my experiences.

I'll address a few things you've asked because I think they're really important questions and I appreciate that you're thinking about this as deeply as you are. I am too. I think most of us are.

Q1: "is the loss of US citizens' lives and violence used to detain illegal immigrants worth it to deport illegal immigrants?"

Answer: What IS actually happening as far as the MSM (and indy media alike) are reporting, is that some politically active Americans are inserting themselves into US Federal immigration investigative operations that they have no business standing in the way of. When politically active civilians step into the path of an LE investigation, it almost always turns into a devastating mess. This is the actual cause of "the loss of US citisens lives" that you're asking about.
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Q2: "For those who support ICE, is there any part of their current powers that makes you feel uncomfortable?"

Answer: YES. Everything about the current situation makes me feel uncomfortable. The amount of illegals living in the country, and the amount of LE it's going to take to legally remove them is all, 100% entirely uncomfortable. None of it's right, and none of it should have ever happened but, here we are.
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Q3: "That they are masked?"

Answer: NO. If I or a family member or loved one was working for ICE, I'd absolutely insist on having identity fully, 100% protected as much as able. There are CRAZY people out there who love violence, who dox, harass and incite their followers to do the same.
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100% jmo
 
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  • #602
Hi Sapphire Blue. Can you please provide a link to this information? It may have been provided earlier in the thread but if you could please provide it now so we don't have to search for it.
Thank you.
Tricia
My apologies, the source is not websleuths approved. I will delete my post.
 
  • #603
Apologies if this has already been posted. It’s interesting to note the terms Pam B suggests will get ICE out of Minnesota -


“The attorney general then makes three demands of Walz in her letter, which she writes can "bring an end to the chaos in Minnesota": 1) share state records of everyone who is collecting welfare, 2) repeal state sanctuary policies, and 3) allow the Justice Department to access Minnesota's voter rolls ahead of upcoming elections.”
 
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Apologies if this has already been posted. It’s interesting to note imo

Why do they so desperately want the voter rolls? IMO handing them over would put more citizens at risk.

If they want voter rolls from one state why not each and every state? I believe there is a sneaky agenda behind it.
 
  • #605
Why do they so desperately want the voter rolls? IMO handing them over would put more citizens at risk.

If they want voter rolls from one state why not each and every state? I believe there is a sneaky agenda behind it.
Is Minnesota a swing state?
 
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I 100% support ICE and I also have numerous friends, co-workers & family that are a part of the LE community that also 100% support every effort ICE agents are involved in currently.

I'm also a legal immigrant so, all of the above may influence my take-away on all these things. I fully admit that, upfront. My viewpoint IS based on my experiences.

I'll address a few things you've asked because I think they're really important questions and I appreciate that you're thinking about this as deeply as you are. I am too. I think most of us are.

Q1: "is the loss of US citizens' lives and violence used to detain illegal immigrants worth it to deport illegal immigrants?"

Answer: What IS actually happening as far as the MSM (and indy media alike) are reporting, is that some politically active Americans are inserting themselves into US Federal immigration investigative operations that they have no business standing in the way of. When politically active civilians step into the path of an LE investigation, it almost always turns into a devastating mess. This is the actual cause of "the loss of US citisens lives" that you're asking about.
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Q2: "For those who support ICE, is there any part of their current powers that makes you feel uncomfortable?"

Answer: YES. Everything about the current situation makes me feel uncomfortable. The amount of illegals living in the country, and the amount of LE it's going to take to legally remove them is all, 100% entirely uncomfortable. None of it's right, and none of it should have ever happened but, here we are.
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Q3: "That they are masked?"

Answer: NO. If I or a family member or loved one was working for ICE, I'd absolutely insist on having identity fully, 100% protected as much as able. There are CRAZY people out there who love violence, who dox, harass and incite their followers to do the same.
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100% jmo
..but crazy people who love violence, two homicides with clear videos and condemned by other LE, wonder why the term you use as illegals is not people and why the great personal concern on that particular issue. Wonder why it is first priority over what the world has seen clearly by the group who didn't detain, but attacked, sprayed with pepper spray, held him down while it's seen one man took the holstered gun away from the murdered person and took off with it, THEN it's shown the direct execution while down and shot multiple times. This is not an assumption, it's been seen clearly. Hate eats away at a person and gets in the way of a lot of possibilities in one's life. IMO
 
  • #607
Why do they so desperately want the voter rolls? IMO handing them over would put more citizens at risk.

If they want voter rolls from one state why not each and every state? I believe there is a sneaky agenda behind it.
They actually do want voter rolls from every state. Some states (all red states) have already turned theirs over. But many more are actually refusing and there’s a lawsuit attached to it. Trump has sued 20 states for refusing to turn over the data.

 
  • #608
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I 100% support ICE and I also have numerous friends, co-workers & family that are a part of the LE community that also 100% support every effort ICE agents are involved in currently.

I'm also a legal immigrant so, all of the above may influence my take-away on all these things. I fully admit that, upfront. My viewpoint IS based on my experiences.

I'll address a few things you've asked because I think they're really important questions and I appreciate that you're thinking about this as deeply as you are. I am too. I think most of us are.

Q1: "is the loss of US citizens' lives and violence used to detain illegal immigrants worth it to deport illegal immigrants?"

Answer: What IS actually happening as far as the MSM (and indy media alike) are reporting, is that some politically active Americans are inserting themselves into US Federal immigration investigative operations that they have no business standing in the way of. When politically active civilians step into the path of an LE investigation, it almost always turns into a devastating mess. This is the actual cause of "the loss of US citisens lives" that you're asking about.
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Q2: "For those who support ICE, is there any part of their current powers that makes you feel uncomfortable?"

Answer: YES. Everything about the current situation makes me feel uncomfortable. The amount of illegals living in the country, and the amount of LE it's going to take to legally remove them is all, 100% entirely uncomfortable. None of it's right, and none of it should have ever happened but, here we are.
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Q3: "That they are masked?"

Answer: NO. If I or a family member or loved one was working for ICE, I'd absolutely insist on having identity fully, 100% protected as much as able. There are CRAZY people out there who love violence, who dox, harass and incite their followers to do the same.
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100% jmo

I really appreciate you answering, so just a few questions if you still feel like answering or anyone else:

In regards to citizens 'inserting themselves' into operations, has there ever been a situation involving an LE shooting, escalation or altercation that you believe LE were responsible for, they overreached or were using their powers to commit a crime under legislation i.e. manslaughter, murder, assault?

Sometimes US citizens, like in many other countries, will base their protests on these types of scenarios, where they DO believe LE, or in this case ICE, are acting outside the legalities of their role. I would say that protesting when the topic of the protest is this type of interpretation would seem very appropriate. I also believe an appropriate response from the government would be to ensure that ICE identify these risks, as in a pretty stock standard risk assessment that is a very basic and simple step to implement, so they can be trained appropriately to deal with protesters with dignity and respect, how to deescalate, and not to overstep the purpose of their role. If that means pausing ICE engagement temporarily to ensure every single one of their agents receive this training, would this not seem sensible?

I also believe that ICE agents should be under incredible scrutiny by the government right now, and ensuring that anyone getting heavy handed, acting outside the law or engaging in aggressive behaviour be stood down, if they truly wanted to focus on their goal and not put citizens or anyone else at risk. If they REALLY wanted cooperation, my guess is they would prioritise this. Unless the government wants unrest?

I also hope they are telling their ICE agents that they can do very little to protect them if they engage in unlawful behaviour. They can and will be prosecuted, and face a very real threat of incarceration if they don't abide by the law. This could happen now or under a new government, so lack of immediate consequences or appropriate investigations does not mean there will never be any consequences. And wearing a mask won't stop this.

I also am still curious as to how far support of ICE goes in relation to number of deaths before it is deemed too risky an operation. Is there a limit or will we read in 3 months time that 100 citizens have been killed? This is a possibility given the tensions and movements into other states.

I appreciate you answering Q2 - are you saying that you feel uncomfortable that ICE don't have ENOUGH power to fulfil the goal?
 
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  • #609
They actually do want voter rolls from every state. Some states (all red states) have already turned theirs over. But many more are actually refusing and there’s a lawsuit attached to it. Trump has sued 20 states for refusing to turn over the data.

In Nazi Germany, people had to suddenly be forced to sew a yellow star on their outerwear, seems the same will happen by a forced take of people's personal information if they deem. Mark 'them'. IMO
 
  • #610
Apologies if this has already been posted. It’s interesting to note the terms Pam B suggests will get ICE out of Minnesota -


“The attorney general then makes three demands of Walz in her letter, which she writes can "bring an end to the chaos in Minnesota": 1) share state records of everyone who is collecting welfare, 2) repeal state sanctuary policies, and 3) allow the Justice Department to access Minnesota's voter rolls ahead of upcoming elections.”
Very well-written letter from U.S. Attorney General Bondi. It covers all the issues that the federal government is investigating in Minnesota, as well as Minnesota's leaders refusal to cooperate with federal immigration agents and the issue of illegal immigration and their state. Lays it all out very well.
 
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Is Minnesota a swing state?
It’s not really a swing state but it is a blue state that has voted against Trump in the last 3 elections. And Tim Walz the governor was running for VP against Trump in 2024. Those are some of the reasons I believe he has sent a very strong ICE presence to that state, especially because they actually have one of the lowest number of illegal immigrants nationwide. All MOO.

Here’s a chart that breaks down how many undocumented immigrants per state. Google says Minnesota has about 78,000-120,000 undocumented immigrants, which is 1.6% of their population.

 
  • #614
They actually do want voter rolls from every state. Some states (all red states) have already turned theirs over. But many more are actually refusing and there’s a lawsuit attached to it. Trump has sued 20 states for refusing to turn over the data.


From your link

Some have condemned the requests as an attempt by the White House to create a national database of voters and restrict access.
“The requests cover sensitive, private information such as driver’s license numbers and partial Social Security numbers. Its collection by the federal government raises serious privacy and security concerns and may violate state and federal laws.”
“What the DOJ is trying to do is something that should frighten everybody across the political spectrum. They’re trying to use the power of the executive branch to bully states into turning over highly sensitive data: date of birth, Social Security number, driver’s license—the holy trinity of identity theft.”



IMO this is all about interfering in future elections.
 
  • #615
Apologies if this has already been posted. It’s interesting to note the terms Pam B suggests will get ICE out of Minnesota -


“The attorney general then makes three demands of Walz in her letter, which she writes can "bring an end to the chaos in Minnesota": 1) share state records of everyone who is collecting welfare, 2) repeal state sanctuary policies, and 3) allow the Justice Department to access Minnesota's voter rolls ahead of upcoming elections.”
That’s taken out of context. imo.

I would encourage people to read the actual letter rather than relying on clickbait headlines.
 
  • #616
From your link

Some have condemned the requests as an attempt by the White House to create a national database of voters and restrict access.
“The requests cover sensitive, private information such as driver’s license numbers and partial Social Security numbers. Its collection by the federal government raises serious privacy and security concerns and may violate state and federal laws.”
“What the DOJ is trying to do is something that should frighten everybody across the political spectrum. They’re trying to use the power of the executive branch to bully states into turning over highly sensitive data: date of birth, Social Security number, driver’s license—the holy trinity of identity theft.”



IMO this is all about interfering in future elections.
Yes, by having state voting rolls and data, the federal government could remove anyone from a voter registration with zero notice or explanation. That person would have no idea they were removed unless they were regularly checking their voter registration or they went to vote and learned they were no longer registered. States have always handled their own voter registration and data, it’s not a federal government issue.
 
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That’s taken out of context. imo.

I would encourage people to read the actual letter rather than relying on clickbait headlines.
It's from Bondi and we have for sure, all of it and again, it's from Bondi.
 
  • #618
Per the media interview with the ICE department (linked upthread), he said that civilians should not interfere with the duties of federal officers. Observing is fine, taking video is fine. In both of these screen shots, it does not look like a friendly conversation. In my opinion, it looks like a confrontation.

The thing is, he doesn't get to decide. With due respect, Otto, America has a Constitution that guarantees certain rights. Those rights are codified in that document and cannot be changed at the whims of any administration. The only thing that changes the Constitution is an amendment. An amendment requires 2/3 of the House of Representatives and 2/3 of the Senate. THEN, it goes to the states and has to be supported by 38 states.

So the ICE department can say whatever they want. It doesn't make it true.

Americans are Constitutionally guaranteed the right to protest and to observe public law enforcement. They are also guaranteed the right to ask questions. Unless someone can point out exactly what this gentlemen did that "interfered" with federal law enforcement, I call bull on what the administration is saying.

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There's no question that excessive force was used, but it doesn't appear to start with excessive force. It appears to start with confrontations between protesters and ICE agents.

I disagree entirely. What I see on that video starts with ICE putting their hand on a protestor and ends with a US citizen dead. There is no published backstory about interference. In America, protestors are allowed to shout at law enforcement so confrontation or not is not justification for anything that followed.

MOO.
 
  • #619
Is Minnesota a swing state?
Minnesota is the only state in the union that didn't vote for Reagan in the 1980s.

The last time MN voted for a Republican president, it was for Nixon in the 1970s.

I know things have changed since then, but it's a blue state. The current governor ran for VP in the last presidential election.

This is not meant to be political but factual to answer a question and provide context that perhaps WSers outside the USA might find useful about the place.

jmopinion
 
  • #620
Please note: analyzing the events that led up to the shooting does not equate with believing that the shooting was justified.

It appears that Pretti had a conversation with the ICE officers earlier, and then he was in the middle of an ICE officer shoving the woman in the white coat.

I think analysis needs to be rooted in legally applicable facts, and sadly, judging by their statements prior to any investigation and in light of video evidence showing the opposite, the administration is not relying on facts. So I can't agree with any analysis that references their factless position.

MOO.

Source: all the links and articles that have been posted thus far in this thread, save the stuff put out by DHS and the government as it's in direct contradiction to witness statements and video.
 

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