MN -- woman shot in face and killed by ICE, Minneapolis, 7 Jan 2026

  • #901
I agree, but in some of our cities the local LE won't cooperate with our federal immigration officers who are there doing their jobs. If the local LE are not willing to be present at protests where federal agents are working, then the ICE agents have to protect themselves.

I suspect that more cops voted for Trump than not. And it may be so that most cops don't like what comes with illegal immigration.

However. The police was under so much fire several years ago, especially in Minnesota (and it was not for the first time, I still remember Flint), that I am not sure if it has recovered, tbh. Definitely not in Seattle. We all remember that time. They have enough problems. But, also, they can't cover their faces and they have to wear bodycams. Most of all, they are better trained on how to avoid escalation so they are trying to avoid it.
 
  • #902
<modsniip: no source link> It is my understanding that ice agents are supposed to be bringing in illegal immigrants that have criminal charges or history.. aka violent or drugs...this entire situation has me sick! The agent could have stepped to the side if he was that afraid. I guarantee you if she had been trying to run him over it would've happened. It's clear that was not the situation! Heartbroken for the state of our country and wish people would just have common decency and respect for lives
 
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  • #903
Whatever happened to that wall that Mexico was going to pay for to fix this “problem”?
I'm inclined to believe Argentina could build a free wall if they wanted to, cuz isn't Trump giving them $40B?
 
  • #904
That is a very foggy statistic because only about 2/3 of the voting public actually voted, and only about 1/2 of that 2/3 voted for these policies. So, about 1/3 of the voting public gave their mandate for these actions. Link

imo
The point is that the current administration has a mandate from the people to deal with the illegal immigration crisis and that the immigration enforcement officers are doing work that is legal and have every right to be in U.S. cities.
 
  • #905
Whatever happened to that wall that Mexico was going to pay for to fix this “problem”?
Looks like the problem is fixed and the illegal border crossing issue has been dealt with as the number of illegals attempting to come into the U.S. illegally now is minimal. The border agents are doing a good job.
 
  • #906
I suspect that more cops voted for Trump than not. And it may be so that most cops don't like what comes with illegal immigration.

However. The police was under so much fire several years ago, especially in Minnesota (and it was not for the first time, I still remember Flint), that I am not sure if it has recovered, tbh. Definitely not in Seattle. We all remember that time. They have enough problems. But, also, they can't cover their faces and they have to wear bodycams. Most of all, they are better trained on how to avoid escalation so they are trying to avoid it.
I don't think those ICE guys had to shoot the victim, but could've just shot out her tires to stop her or tazed her, or similar. It didn't rise to the level of threat of having to kill her! She was probably so frazzled by then that she probably didn't know how to proceed. IMO.
 
  • #907
Looks like the problem is fixed and the illegal border crossing issue has been dealt with as the number of illegals attempting to come into the U.S. illegally now is minimal. The border agents are doing a good job.
Imo the originally stated work is legal but the tactics and expansion are morally indefensible.
 
  • #908
A majority of the American voters identified illegal immigration as one of the top issues for them in the last election. Our borders are now pretty much closed, but we still have about 15 million illegal immigrants in the country that entered through the open borders policy of the previous administration. The border agents and immigration enforcement officers are enforcing U.S. laws. Illegal immigrants were offered funds to depart the country voluntarily and many chose to do so and then in the future apply to enter legally.

Sorry but I find your comments a little contradictory. If many immigrants chose to voluntarily leave then why is there even a need for not only their presence but such heavy enforcement by these agents? And they are not enforcing any of these laws anyway when they are shooting and killing unarmed American citizens. JMO.
 
  • #909
The point is that the current administration has a mandate from the people to deal with the illegal immigration crisis and that the immigration enforcement officers are doing work that is legal and have every right to be in U.S. cities.

Especially sanctuary cities where they are not wanted, like Minneapolis.
 
  • #910
Excellent post and I agree -- even as I also am having to take a break from this one.

This was, IMO, as much a murder as the cleaner shot through a door for having the temerity to try a lock on the house she was expecting to work at that day.

In that case, however, we had a prosecutor who was willing to tell the truth about what had happened, even if the why proves to be more elusive (and troubling).

Here we have elected officials prepared to lie about what happened even as the evidence comes in so as to "get ahead of the narrative," smearing a mother of three who seems to have had no record even of legal protest -- should such an ordinary, laudable democratic activity require a record -- let alone"deranged leftist terrorism // organized LE vehicle ramming operative // blah blah blah lies lies lies."

It's obscene, and I hope it does not stand. Though I suspect there are already efforts to shift the narrative underway from a group that is, if nothing else, honest in their cynicism.

I feel actually, physically and morally sick. Like so many.

Like a plague thy hate shall spread.
 
  • #911
Re I thought Mexico would pay for it, it resonates here cuz we know we've been lied to.

They said the victim was a domestic terrorist, and all we have to do is look at the border agent (Exum) shooting of a woman driver in Chicago. You guessed it, they had called her a domestic terrorist too. Trouble is, the case was adjudicated and both the judge and the government in the end agreed the government lied.

Trump and Vance lied about Springfield Ohio, and the governor (who supported Trump) said it was just a lie about Haitians eating dogs and cats.

Mexico didn't pay for the wall.

Iraq oil didn't pay for endless wars, so we already know Venezuela oil, same.
 
  • #912
I don't think those ICE guys had to shoot the victim, but could've just shot out her tires to stop her or tazed her, or similar. It didn't rise to the level of threat of having to kill her! She was probably so frazzled by then that she probably didn't know how to proceed. IMO.

Tazed won't go either. Might be very dangerous as the driver may seize or jerk and inadvertently remove the leg from the brake or push the gas pedal, who knows. Best to avoid shooting at the moving transport as it is a hazard on a blocked road. She was driving slowly. So, he could have simply made a step back. But if he absolutely needed to use his gun, two front tires at such a low speed could have been enough. Most authors recommended the radiator, but with two people in the car, I don't think shooting anywhere at the body of the car is safe, tbh.

But the driver's head is absolutely the worst idea. As with the tazer, the dying body may jerk or seize and accelerate the car.
 
  • #913
Sorry but I find your comments a little contradictory. If many immigrants chose to voluntarily leave then why is there even a need for not only their presence but such heavy enforcement by these agents? And they are not enforcing any of these laws anyway when they are shooting and killing unarmed American citizens. JMO.
1.9 million illegal immigrants have voluntary self-deported. I'd say that is "many." But it's a drop in the bucket, of course, given that about 15 million immigrants are here illegally.

Source is DHS website for numbers of voluntary self-deportations of illegal immigrants.
 
  • #914
Especially sanctuary cities where they are not wanted, like Minneapolis.
It's not about who wants or doesn't want them there, the law is being enforced, it's not about what sanctuary cities want. Their policies don't supersede the law.
 
  • #915
From the first page of this thread, several posters reference an officer telling the victim to leave, and this interpretation appears to be commonly shared. I have not been able to identify recorded audio that clearly captures this instruction. If anyone is aware of a video in which these words can be heard, I would appreciate being directed to it.

Some examples of comments from the beginning of the thread include:

-it appears one officer tells her to leave as another begins yanking on her door
-trying to leave, as they instructed her
-So as per eyewitness (as well as what I saw in the video) she was told to leave
 
  • #916
It's not about who wants or doesn't want them there, the law is being enforced, it's not about what sanctuary cities want. Their policies don't supersede the law.

Yes, preaching to the choir. I get all that. Unfortunately.
 
  • #917
Tazed won't go either. Might be very dangerous as the driver may seize or jerk and inadvertently remove the leg from the brake or push the gas pedal, who knows. Best to avoid shooting at the moving transport as it is a hazard on a blocked road. She was driving slowly. So, he could have simply made a step back. But if he absolutely needed to use his gun, two front tires at such a low speed could have been enough. Most authors recommended the radiator, but with two people in the car, I don't think shooting anywhere at the body of the car is safe, tbh.

But the driver's head is absolutely the worst idea. As with the tazer, the dying body may jerk or seize and accelerate the car.
I don't know if this has already been shared, but here's a fairly thorough breakdown of what happened yesterday. It's from the CBC. Aren't we Canadians fortunate to have such good handling of the news? It helps us be critical thinkers.
 
  • #918
dbm
 
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  • #919
I"ll do an experiment with my car today. I maybe able to turn in a circle slower than she did.
I think you'll have to come up with a scenario that scares the bejesus out of you to properly execute a recreation. Just saying.
 
  • #920

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