GUILTY MO - Breeann Rodriguez, 3, Senath, 6 August 2011 - #3

[miabellamoure]

It is awfully strange for LE to be making these statements about cause of death and lack of sexual assault without finding her or having an autopsy...have never heard of this before...I hope LE is not showing inexperience here...

Has LE stated there was evidence of lack of sexual assault? I only recalled hearing that there is a claim of suffocation which I am shocked to hear as well.

Why disclose this information at this point without the body or even an autopsy report to determine cod?

This LE group is bothering me...

 

[CarrieBean]

If he sufficated her with the pretense of a mercy killing. It 1st degree murder.

Really? Cause a situation like that sounds like panic to me. A mercy killing never crossed my mind. I just can't process the thought of anyone capable of mercy in that situation not calling for help.

 

[Jetaime]

For me, it's almost worse...who does this? Who picks up the child you just ran over who is "still" alive (tho' perhaps barely) and then puts the child out of it's misery like you would a stray animal on the side of the road? Breeann was not roadkill...she was a human being who deserved her life to be saved!

He was a father of three children himself...senseless!:banghead:

I agree, anyone who intentionally harms a baby, or anyone who would unintentionally harm a baby - covers it up- and disposes of them like garbage deserves a special spot in hell. And I agree what youre saying is terrifying to US as adults/parents.... but for baby Breeans sake- I hope that was the case. [a cover up]

 

[sarx]

And if his story is true, why not tell or show LE where he put her?
My answer, speculation, is that he does not want them to find her because her little body will reveal more to the story.

Or he put her in a body of water which makes recovery slower.

 

[katydid23]

This whole 'accident by car' scenario is still in the rumor stage. There is an alternate rumor that a neighbor saw BR go to Morgan's door and knock on it, supposedly to use the bathroom. I find that scenario more believable at this point. imoo. It would explain how they found him, and how he was able to not be seen by anyone in the street.

 

[liz b.]

Has LE stated there was evidence of lack of sexual assault? I only recalled hearing that there is a claim of suffocation which I am shocked to hear as well.

Why disclose this information at this point without the body or even an autopsy report to determine cod?

This LE group is bothering me...

I do not think that LE has mentioned sexual abuse,or the lack of sexual abuse... They state that Breena died by suffocation. MOO

 

[dsntslp]

Who knows, he may have even read it here first. The thought of that sickens me at times.
That posts by people who want to help can and sometimes are used for the creation of alibis, scenarios etc.
They did have at least one computer we have heard of, right?
I don't imagine he was getting too much sleep lately, waiting for the knock on the door.
What do some of us do when we can't sleep and everybody else is? Get on the computer.
I wonder how computer savvy he is.
UGH!

(sorry)

 

[Jetaime]

And if his story is true, why not tell or show LE where he put her?
My answer, speculation, is that he does not want them to find her because her little body will reveal more to the story.

As much as I hate to say it, Im with you. Im just holding on to hope against hope with the rest of you that this baby didnt suffer.

 

[greenpalm]

I would too. Unfortunately, not all people feel the same way.
A good friend of mine believes in the whole "free range children" concept. She feels it is not an epidemic and tells me only 1% or 2% of children in the US go missing and are killed and that the media tries to instill fear in us all. She allows her kids to bike the huge housing development area (they're 6 and 9) unsupervised.
She tells me, SHE did it her whole childhood and she's not going to cage her kids
If "caging" my son means he won't be exposed to a tragedy like this, I'll do it tomorrow!

I wish Breeann wasn't out alone for a minute....

I've got to set your friend and you straight here. *The number of children who are abducted and murdered by non-family every year is about 100. *Given that there are about 74,000,000 (74 million!!) children between 0 and 17 in the US, your estimate of "only 1% to 2%" is a monumental-titanic exaggeration of epic proportions. *I can't in good conscience let you walk around thinking this way. *

Consider this: . *How many new missing child cases do we follow on here in a week? How many of those turn into non-caregiver-murders (or never recovered). *Two a week? That would work out to be about 100 in a year. *Remember, I'm not talking about all the kids who are murdered by their own parents or step parents or other close person, because keeping them from riding their bikes in the driveway, cul-de-sac, or the whole subdivision, wouldn't prevent those murders anyway. *To quote you, we are talking about kids who go missing and are killed

Okay, so, we've got about 100 out of 74,000,000 that's .000014% of all the kids in the US. *
1% means 1 in 100. *
.000014% means 1 in 7 million, 4 hundred thousand. *Just 1.*

And you would be willing to put your child in a cage to prevent this? *I hope you're exaggerating out of your sense of fear. *I wonder though. *How fearful are you when you drive your child in your vehicle? *I'm sure you use proper and age appropriate safety restraints, like me. * Consider: * About 115 people die every day in vehicle crashes in the United States -- one death every 13 minutes. *Are you going to put your son in a cage to prevent him traveling by motor vehicle?

It's worth considering too, in your lifetime, how many people do you personally know who were killed in a car accident? *Now, if you think about it, is it a pretty small number? *Consider then, the likelihood of your son being abducted and murdered. *It's pretty low. *Almost irrelevant, and really irrelevant compared to the risk of riding in a car. It's just rational to try to keep things in perspective.

 

[T4Tide]

If he accidentally hit her on her bike, I would be inclined to think that the found training wheels would bear some evidence of this? After all, they stick out farther on the bike than little Breeann's body would. It would be difficult to hit her without damaging the wheels.

Has it been stated whether or not she was wearing a helmet?

 

[hollyblue]

It is awfully strange for LE to be making these statements about cause of death and lack of sexual assault without finding her or having an autopsy...have never heard of this before...I hope LE is not showing inexperience here...

Maybe they found a plastic bag with her hair inside and his hand/palm prints on the outside indicating suffocation?

 

[miabellamoure]

If he accidentally hit her on her bike, I would be inclined to think that the found training wheels would bear some evidence of this? After all, they stick out farther on the bike than little Breeann's body would. It would be difficult to hit her without damaging the wheels.

Has it been stated whether or not she was wearing a helmet?

Wonder if the 3rd piece of evidence was a bike helmet?

 

[CarrieBean]

I would too. Unfortunately, not all people feel the same way.
A good friend of mine believes in the whole "free range children" concept. She feels it is not an epidemic and tells me only 1% or 2% of children in the US go missing and are killed and that the media tries to instill fear in us all. She allows her kids to bike the huge housing development area (they're 6 and 9) unsupervised.
She tells me, SHE did it her whole childhood and she's not going to cage her kids
If "caging" my son means he won't be exposed to a tragedy like this, I'll do it tomorrow!

I wish Breeann wasn't out alone for a minute....

Not sure how I feel about this. I was told by my boys friends parents a few times over the years that I was "over protective" or "too strict". I didn't care what anyone said cause I was content knowing where my kids were. The kids who were at my place for hours every day...I didn't judge their parents either.

Evil doesn't care what kind of parent you are.

 

[melley]

It is awfully strange for LE to be making these statements about cause of death and lack of sexual assault without finding her or having an autopsy...have never heard of this before...I hope LE is not showing inexperience here...

My brother's murderers were convicted largely on video confession evidence. The ME never did determine his cause of death, but the perps did. I am assuming they have him on video describing what happened. I am also guessing he is hoping they don't find her body in time to add any sexual assault.

I have been saying prayers overtime here, I have my own 3 year old and it really sucks. I reminded my husband earlier that we really cannot leaver her for a second. I am so sad for BreeAnn's family. When will this end?

 

[katydid23]

I've got to set your friend and you straight here. *The number of children who are abducted and murdered by non-family every year is about 100. *Given that there are about 74,000,000 (74 million!!) children between 0 and 17 in the US, your estimate of "only 1% to 2%" is a monumental-titanic exaggeration of epic proportions. *I can't in good conscience let you walk around thinking this way. *

Consider this: . *How many new missing child cases do we follow on here in a week? How many of those turn into non-caregiver-murders (or never recovered). *Two a week? That would work out to be about 100 in a year. *Remember, I'm not talking about all the kids who are murdered by their own parents or step parents or other close person, because keeping them from riding their bikes in the driveway or cul-de-sac wouldn't prevent those murders anyway. *To quote you, we are talking about kids who go missing and are killed

Okay, so, we've got about 100 out of 74,000,000 that's .000014% of all the kids in the US. *
1% means 1 in 100. *
.000014% means 1 in 7 million, 4 hundred thousand. *Just 1.*

And you would be willing to put your child in a cage to prevent this? *I hope you're exaggerating out of your sense of fear. *I wonder though. *How fearful are you when you drive your child in your vehicle? *I'm sure you use proper and age appropriate safety restraints, like me. * Consider: * About 115 people die every day in vehicle crashes in the United States -- one death every 13 minutes. *Are you going to put your son in a cage to prevent him traveling by motor vehicle?

It's worth considering too, in your lifetime, how many people do you personally know who were killed in a car accident? *Now, if you think about it, is it a pretty small number? *Consider then, the likelihood of your son being abducted and murdered. *It's pretty low. *Almost irrelevant, and really irrelevant compared to the risk of riding in a car. It's just rational to try to keep things in perspective.

Here are a few things that you fail to mention. It is not just a child being raped/killed that parents need to be 'afraid of.' Sure, like you said, it is rare.
So from what you posted, we should all just let the little kids ride around on their bikes unsupervised, because the odds are so low that they would be killed.

But there are much higher chances that an unsupervised child will become a victim of regular sexual abuse, by a 'friendly' neighbor, teacher, a friends father. And an unsupervised child has a greater chance of being hit by a car or drowning in a pond. And, a slightly older child, much greater chance they will turn to drugs or alcohol if they have little or no parental supervision. Or make the wrong 'friends' on their computer. I think, IIRC, that the statistics show ONE IN FOUR WOMEN are victims of sexual abuse in their lifetime.

IMO, it is not just about rape/abduction prevention. It is about being 'present' for your children. There are a lot intense temptations out there in the world and kids need their families around to help them make their way through. imoo

 

[hollyblue]

Really? Cause a situation like that sounds like panic to me. A mercy killing never crossed my mind. I just can't process the thought of anyone capable of mercy in that situation not calling for help.

I agree CarrieBean. Maybe my wording is off. .... some have said putting her out of her misery. Maybe that was a brief thought or his self abiding excuse....and he was panicked...but no doubt it was premeditated murder...still.

All murders are senseless, imo, except self defense. We need more from LE...and we need Breeann back with her family.

 

[hollyblue]

Or he put her in a body of water which makes recovery slower.

And with the heat and humidity there, along with water temp, .....the deteriation would be rapid.

 

[gitana1]

Wow! My big problem with the scenario given is who (besides CFCA) makes an accident into a murder? I can see someone who has been busted saying this is how it happened but just can't wrap my head around anyone doing such a heinous thing to a young child involved in an accident. Running away yes, people panic hit and run. But to callously pickup a young child you just accidently injured and murder them? Who could do such a thing?

According to casey anthony's attorneys, that's what casey did. :floorlaugh:

I've got to set your friend and you straight here. *The number of children who are abducted and murdered by non-family every year is about 100. *Given that there are about 74,000,000 (74 million!!) children between 0 and 17 in the US, your estimate of "only 1% to 2%" is a monumental-titanic exaggeration of epic proportions. *I can't in good conscience let you walk around thinking this way. *

Consider this: . *How many new missing child cases do we follow on here in a week? How many of those turn into non-caregiver-murders (or never recovered). *Two a week? That would work out to be about 100 in a year. *Remember, I'm not talking about all the kids who are murdered by their own parents or step parents or other close person, because keeping them from riding their bikes in the driveway, cul-de-sac, or the whole subdivision, wouldn't prevent those murders anyway. *To quote you, we are talking about kids who go missing and are killed

Okay, so, we've got about 100 out of 74,000,000 that's .000014% of all the kids in the US. *
1% means 1 in 100. *
.000014% means 1 in 7 million, 4 hundred thousand. *Just 1.*

And you would be willing to put your child in a cage to prevent this? *I hope you're exaggerating out of your sense of fear. *I wonder though. *How fearful are you when you drive your child in your vehicle? *I'm sure you use proper and age appropriate safety restraints, like me. * Consider: * About 115 people die every day in vehicle crashes in the United States -- one death every 13 minutes. *Are you going to put your son in a cage to prevent him traveling by motor vehicle?

It's worth considering too, in your lifetime, how many people do you personally know who were killed in a car accident? *Now, if you think about it, is it a pretty small number? *Consider then, the likelihood of your son being abducted and murdered. *It's pretty low. *Almost irrelevant, and really irrelevant compared to the risk of riding in a car. It's just rational to try to keep things in perspective.

You are 100% right. In fact, I think a kid is more likely to get hit by lightning than to be abducted by an unknown predator. But I'd rather have my kid hit by lightning or a car than taken by a stranger and killed.

The former are usually quick. The latter is a horrific ordeal filled with fear and evil.

Even though it is exceedingly rare, what can happen to a child in the hands of a predator is so horrible that now that the country is well aware of these kinds of cases, our children have become prisoners of our fears.

But, I just can't take the chance, no matter how small the risk may actually be. The horror is too great to ignore.

 

[CarrieBean]

I agree CarrieBean. Maybe my wording is off. .... some have said putting her out of her misery. Maybe that was a brief thought or his self abiding excuse....and he was panicked...but no doubt it was premeditated murder...still.

All murders are senseless, imo, except self defense. We need more from LE...and we need Breeann back with her family.

When I think of a mercy killing, I think more of a situation where there is no chance of help, like running over a totally mangled dog or being miles from civilization when you know there is no hope. A kid gets hit by a car, you call 911...run to the neighbour...run to the kid's house, etc.

I do appreciate all of the thoughts brought here, cause you really just never know what could happen but I believe this is just some typical preying on our children.

 

[deelytful1]

I've got to set your friend and you straight here. *The number of children who are abducted and murdered by non-family every year is about 100. *Given that there are about 74,000,000 (74 million!!) children between 0 and 17 in the US, your estimate of "only 1% to 2%" is a monumental-titanic exaggeration of epic proportions. *I can't in good conscience let you walk around thinking this way. *

Consider this: . *How many new missing child cases do we follow on here in a week? How many of those turn into non-caregiver-murders (or never recovered). *Two a week? That would work out to be about 100 in a year. *Remember, I'm not talking about all the kids who are murdered by their own parents or step parents or other close person, because keeping them from riding their bikes in the driveway, cul-de-sac, or the whole subdivision, wouldn't prevent those murders anyway. *To quote you, we are talking about kids who go missing and are killed

Okay, so, we've got about 100 out of 74,000,000 that's .000014% of all the kids in the US. *
1% means 1 in 100. *
.000014% means 1 in 7 million, 4 hundred thousand. *Just 1.*

And you would be willing to put your child in a cage to prevent this? *I hope you're exaggerating out of your sense of fear. *I wonder though. *How fearful are you when you drive your child in your vehicle? *I'm sure you use proper and age appropriate safety restraints, like me. * Consider: * About 115 people die every day in vehicle crashes in the United States -- one death every 13 minutes. *Are you going to put your son in a cage to prevent him traveling by motor vehicle?

It's worth considering too, in your lifetime, how many people do you personally know who were killed in a car accident? *Now, if you think about it, is it a pretty small number? *Consider then, the likelihood of your son being abducted and murdered. *It's pretty low. *Almost irrelevant, and really irrelevant compared to the risk of riding in a car. It's just rational to try to keep things in perspective.

I appreciate all your statistics and your work on this post.
I don't care if it's 1% or 50%, I protect my child as best as possible. He only NOW gets to go around the neighborhood with a friend (he's 12) and has to check in every half hour, has a phone with GPS, etc...
The cage analogy WAS OF COURSE an exaggeration.
Firstly, I was speaking about my friend's LACK of supervision (her God given right) and I was stressing the ultimate concern if it meant protecting my child...
Secondly, these were utterances from my friend who was trying to defend her "free range" theory which I don't agree with...
Lastly, these are my feelings and opinions. I am not a perfectionist when it comes to emotion and posting such emotion so if need be, take my posts with a grain of salt lest I'm quoting an actual fact and cite it.
Finally, and I'm not being snarky, but I kinda don't like the wording "you've got to set me and my friend straight" Please read my post in its context and you'll see, I was quoting HER and her beliefs which she is totally entitled to..
Thanks again!