Found Deceased MO - Clauddinnea 'Dee Dee' Blancharde, 48, Springfield, 10 June 2015 - #2 *Arrests*

[watergirl62]

I will always be in favor of victims killing their abusers. Always.

When they start killing other people, that did not wrong them, then I have a problem.

Having survived an abusive relationship, I hear you, Lulu.

However, I am glad I never murdered the SOB because 30 years later? I have a good life which would not have been possible if I had done time for murdering that .

That would have been a waste, a huge waste.

 

[Tssiemer]

I am a firm believer in not killing people sooo....


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[jjenny]

That's fair.

I feel it is obvious - her stature, missing teeth and the following:
1. The Angel Flight trip which required "documentation from a "legitimate physician".
2. The stays in the Ronald McDonald house which require clearance from a social services worker in the hospital at which she was staying.
3. The write up by Mercy Children's Hospital magazine.
4. The statements by two doctors who treated her, including one who treated her "for years" in New Orleans.
5. The American Cancer Society statement about the case.
http://www.ky3.com/news/local/famil...haved-head-to-support-gypsy/21048998_33638978
http://www.rmhc.org/frequently-asked-questions
http://www.childrensmercy.org/content/uploadedFiles/Treasures_Summer_09.pdf
http://www.news-leader.com/story/news/crime/2015/06/16/pokin-around-house-wheelchair-scam/28837205/
http://fox4kc.com/2015/06/16/invest...rder-investigation-that-has-metro-connection/

Clearly, the kid has been in hospitals for years. But you don't outgrow cancer or muscular dystrophy.

Nevertheless, there's nothing wrong with waiting for more info.

I wish we knew what these physicians were diagnosing her with. I recently saw a child in a wheelchair. You can see immediately muscle atrophy in the legs. Gypsy obviously had none of that, since she can walk normally.
So what were these doctors thinking? They couldn't tell she doesn't have muscular dystrophy?
Or leukemia? Just because her head is shaved doesn't mean she got leukemia. Shouldn't it have been obvious?

 

[gitana1]

I wish we knew what these physicians were diagnosing her with. I recently saw a child in a wheelchair. You can see immediately muscle atrophy in the legs. Gypsy obviously had none of that, since she can walk normally.
So what were these doctors thinking? They couldn't tell she doesn't have muscular dystrophy?
Or leukemia? Just because her head is shaved doesn't mean she got leukemia. Shouldn't it have been obvious?

It will be interesting. In the Kate Parker case, her son had spinal cord decompression surgery. Which was after he was diagnosed with chiari malformation, after MRIs. But there was nothing wrong with him. His mother kept saying that he had severe headaches and that might influence this surgeon. And she might have been doing something to him to cause him to have headaches. But some of these people are masterful in what they do.

I did look up some videos of people with muscular dystrophy to see what they look like. There are varying degrees and some, even older children, can walk. Several that I saw in wheelchairs had legs that did not look atrophied. Others look very atrophied. So I don't know.

 

[bluesneakers]

I wish we knew what these physicians were diagnosing her with. I recently saw a child in a wheelchair. You can see immediately muscle atrophy in the legs. Gypsy obviously had none of that, since she can walk normally.
So what were these doctors thinking? They couldn't tell she doesn't have muscular dystrophy?
Or leukemia? Just because her head is shaved doesn't mean she got leukemia. Shouldn't it have been obvious?

I want to know this too! I had a friend I suspect has Munchausen's (or something similar) and she went from one specialist to another but never got an exact diagnosis. I think she lied about dizziness, headaches, cramps, etc., because those were symptoms you can't really confirm with any tests. Maybe that's what happened to Gypsy, or at least it's a possibility. DD either made her sick or told her what to say and somehow convinced the doctors to keep treating and testing her. Maybe she even lied about the diagnoses? If no doctor ever came out and said "Gypsy has MS" DD could just keep saying she did. My friend lied about a brain tumour for two years and no one would ever dare argue or say "You have to show me the MRIs."

DD was a con-artist who spent decades perfecting her work.

eta: fixed a word

 

[Lilibet]

I may be missing your point, Gitana, but Jaycee Dugard chose not to kill her captor. If she had killed him in his sleep, or if an abused woman kills her husband in his sleep, yes, there has to be some accountability. If there is an immediate threat of death, self defense comes into play.

There are obviously mitigating circumstances, but there has to be accountability. Otherwise it's a free for all. JMO

I hear you. It's just that I think the mitigating factors justify reducing the charges and possible sentence down to something that results in intense therapy, not years in prison.

And my question remains - had Jaycee killed her captor, as an adult, what do you think should've happened to her?

We agree. I've stated stated in several posts that I want Gypsy to have intense therapy, rather than prison (based on the information we have so far). I hope the case is charged in such a way that she can get what she needs in a secure environment. To me, that is accountability. Walking free is not.

I answered your question about Jaycee. I can't be more specific, because I haven't read her book, and she chose not to kill...or escape...for whatever reason.

Here's where I'm coming from. I feel very strongly that taking a life is an extremely serious matter, regardless of mitigating factors. If I killed someone by accident or carelessness, I would feel horrible and do my best to make whatever amends I could, and accept the legal consequences. I would do the same if I killed someone in self defense when I was in immediate danger. This is my personal value system.

Although I understand why Gypsy may have decided to kill her mother, and I have tremendous sympathy for what she has endured, I simply cannot agree with some of the thinking I am reading on the thread. JMO

 

[human]

Let's say somehow Deedee was busted. What would have happened to her?

And what would have happened to Gypsy? She would not be charged of any crime, I feel, but where would she go? SSI and call it a day?

 

[kimlynn]

That's fair.

I feel it is obvious - her stature, missing teeth and the following:
1. The Angel Flight trip which required "documentation from a "legitimate physician".
2. The stays in the Ronald McDonald house which require clearance from a social services worker in the hospital at which she was staying.
3. The write up by Mercy Children's Hospital magazine.
4. The statements by two doctors who treated her, including one who treated her "for years" in New Orleans.
5. The American Cancer Society statement about the case.
http://www.ky3.com/news/local/famil...haved-head-to-support-gypsy/21048998_33638978
http://www.rmhc.org/frequently-asked-questions
http://www.childrensmercy.org/content/uploadedFiles/Treasures_Summer_09.pdf
http://www.news-leader.com/story/news/crime/2015/06/16/pokin-around-house-wheelchair-scam/28837205/
http://fox4kc.com/2015/06/16/invest...rder-investigation-that-has-metro-connection/

Clearly, the kid has been in hospitals for years. But you don't outgrow cancer or muscular dystrophy.

Nevertheless, there's nothing wrong with waiting for more info.

How tall is Gypsy again? I think someone said 5 ft tall. That isn't unusual. I'm the same height.
As for how DB pulled this off I have no idea.
Is it possible she forged the medical records after getting a copy?
The doctor GB had for many yrs might be questionable. Just a thought in that regard.
I'm sure it will all come out. Some folks are really crafty when they pull of these activities and I'm sure I couldn't dream up any answers on how it was done. IMO

 

[kimlynn]

It is easily one of the most horrific cases of abuse I've read about. She was tortured. And it confuses me that people believe an 11 year old or 13 year old can be complicit in her parent's fraud in this manner. It totally defies logic or any understanding of child development. That's like saying, IMO, that the kids in India who had limbs amputated or were blinded so they'd make more money begging, were complicit in what was done to them.

I haven't read much here if anything about wanting GB held accountable at the age of 11 or 13. I did say that she may have to answer for any part she played in the scams after the age of 18. And that is only if she was sound mentally. IMO

 

[kimlynn]

Let's say somehow Deedee was busted. What would have happened to her?

And what would have happened to Gypsy? She would not be charged of any crime, I feel, but where would she go? SSI and call it a day?

DB would have been put away for a long time.IMO
Gypsy could have gone to her father or lived her life how she saw fit.

 

[gitana1]

We agree. I've stated stated in several posts that I want Gypsy to have intense therapy, rather than prison (based on the information we have so far). I hope the case is charged in such a way that she can get what she needs in a secure environment. To me, that is accountability. Walking free is not.

I answered your question about Jaycee. I can't be more specific, because I haven't read her book, and she chose not to kill...or escape...for whatever reason.

Here's where I'm coming from. I feel very strongly that taking a life is an extremely serious matter, regardless of mitigating factors. If I killed someone by accident or carelessness, I would feel horrible and do my best to make whatever amends I could, and accept the legal consequences. I would do the same if I killed someone in self defense when I was in immediate danger. This is my personal value system.

Although I understand why Gypsy may have decided to kill her mother, and I have tremendous sympathy for what she has endured, I simply cannot agree with some of the thinking I am reading on the thread. JMO

Thanks for answering and being patient with me!!!!

Let me ask another way - there is no evidence that, after 19 or 20 years or whatever, that Jaycee was in direct threat of death while with him. There is nothing to suggest he ran after her with an ax, or started to strangle her, etc. But, he did keep her captive since age
11, told her dogs would eat her and that people were watching if she tried to escape.

At a certain point, after years of being held captive, she was given more freedom. She was alone with the wife when he was in jail for a period. She interacted with the public while working at his business. But, she was terribly conditioned and fearful to try to get help or escape after decades with this abuser.

So, if she had plotted to and did kill him, thinking that was her only escape, and did escape, what do you think should happen to her? Would you feel the same about her as Gypsy?

Same question if Elizabeth Smart or Shawn Devlin, etc., killed their captor, not in self defense due to imminent threat of death, but after plotting, feeling it was the only way out?

Because I feel this situation is very similar to theirs when it comes to level of abuse, isolation, captivity, psychological control, etc.

This question goes for anyone who disagrees with my opinion!! Thanks guys!!

 

[kshultz06082]

It will be interesting. In the Kate Parker case, her son had spinal cord decompression surgery. Which was after he was diagnosed with chiari malformation, after MRIs. But there was nothing wrong with him. His mother kept saying that he had severe headaches and that might influence this surgeon. And she might have been doing something to him to cause him to have headaches. But some of these people are masterful in what they do.

I did look up some videos of people with muscular dystrophy to see what they look like. There are varying degrees and some, even older children, can walk. Several that I saw in wheelchairs had legs that did not look atrophied. Others look very atrophied. So I don't know.

Slightly O/T: can someonelink the Kate Parker case please? When I search I only find where she was mentioned in other cases. TIA

 

[Lilibet]

LOL Gitana! We used to say that our daughter was born with a law degree because of her persistence!

I will try to say this as clearly as possible, even though I think I've been pretty clear.

In each hypothetical case you've mentioned, a human life is deliberately taken because the person thinks there is no way out. That is their perception, true or not. In each case there are mitigating circumstances that would be considered within the legal system. I would want each of these women to be treated fairly, with consideration. But I would hope that they would be helped to understand the gravity of what they have done, and receive appropriate help, in whatever way the law provides. I feel the same way about Gypsy.

The bottom line for me in this discussion is that a life has been deliberately taken and that needs to be taken very seriously, no matter how much abuse was endured. I personally do not believe that my life is more valuable than someone else's, even someone who harms me. I would never deliberately plot to kill someone to get out of a terrible situation. I will not choose that option for myself.

If someone else chooses that option to end abuse, they have chosen to defy the standards of our society. As sympathetic as I may be to their situation, for our society not to end up any more lawless than it already is, we need to maintain respect for those standards, even for sympathetic killers. I have addressed how I feel it should play out in the legal system in my first paragraph.

I've stated my opinion and beliefs, several times. I hope this clarifies where I'm coming from. I respect everyone's right to their opinion, even if I strongly disagree. I'm all done.

Thanks for answering and being patient with me!!!!

Let me ask another way - there is no evidence that, after 19 or 20 years or whatever, that Jaycee was in direct threat of death while with him. There is nothing to suggest he ran after her with an ax, or started to strangle her, etc. But, he did keep her captive since age
11, told her dogs would eat her and that people were watching if she tried to escape.

At a certain point, after years of being held captive, she was given more freedom. She was alone with the wife when he was in jail for a period. She interacted with the public while working at his business. But, she was terribly conditioned and fearful to try to get help or escape after decades with this abuser.

So, if she had plotted to and did kill him, thinking that was her only escape, and did escape, what do you think should happen to her? Would you feel the same about her as Gypsy?

Same question if Elizabeth Smart or Shawn Devlin, etc., killed their captor, not in self defense due to imminent threat of death, but after plotting, feeling it was the only way out?

Because I feel this situation is very similar to theirs when it comes to level of abuse, isolation, captivity, psychological control, etc.

This question goes for anyone who disagrees with my opinion!! Thanks guys!!

 

[kshultz06082]

Gitana,

I have been so far behind on this case that I havent replied to any of your posts because I have wanted to see what had already been discussed. I am now caught up. So I just wanted to let you know that I find you to be a wealth of information and I agree with all the points you have made. All that to say, nope, you arent alone here. Lol

Now, as for this case, I have to admit I am both horrified and fascinated. Methodical abusers have always fascinated me. I dont find regular abusers (not sure how to word that), people that get angry easy and then attack, interesting because I feel like they just have anger issues. People that go to the level of thinking out their next abuse and / or scam are interesting to me because I cant wrap my head around their thinking. I enjoy the psychology behind it, not that these people actually exist because if I had my way, they would not. I imagine my interest comes from being raised by a narcissistic drug addicted abusive mother who was always looking for the next free handout. I could never understand the way she treated me and other people that had nothing to offer her the way she did, but now, many years out and many healthy relationships later, I am very interested in the mental health issues and what not of that type of person.

As for both Gypsy and NG, I am not sure what punishment or accountability is appropriate. If all the abuse that we suspect happened actually happened, I think I am ok with intensive inpatient care, skills training, and other therapies that would be necessary to make Gypsy a productive member of society. As for NG, if he truly is of diminished capacity and that susceptible to a woman's requests, I definitely dont think he needs to be out in society, but I dont believe regular prison would be a good place either, so I guess permanent inpatient treatment would be my choice.

Is it wrong to mention that every single time I read the boyfriend's initials, I had to remind myself that Nancy Grace had nothing to do with this case (as far as we know)?

 

[MsMarple]

Slightly O/T: can someonelink the Kate Parker case please? When I search I only find where she was mentioned in other cases. TIA

This one?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-8-arrested-for-quot-medical-child-abuse-quot

 

[human]

Yup. Some people's lives are worth more. I would say most of us are worth more than Ted Bundy, for instance.

Why should Gypsy, born innocent, have to satisfy an evil person's machinations? Gypsy is a real live girl. She has been molded by a monster.

A therapeutic group home for Gypsy. I hope she can have some kind of a life

 

[kshultz06082]

This one?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-8-arrested-for-quot-medical-child-abuse-quot

Thanks!

 

[GigTu]

Anarchy then: mob rule.

grabbing my pitchfork...

 

[GigTu]

Thanks for answering and being patient with me!!!!

Let me ask another way - there is no evidence that, after 19 or 20 years or whatever, that Jaycee was in direct threat of death while with him. There is nothing to suggest he ran after her with an ax, or started to strangle her, etc. But, he did keep her captive since age
11, told her dogs would eat her and that people were watching if she tried to escape.

At a certain point, after years of being held captive, she was given more freedom. She was alone with the wife when he was in jail for a period. She interacted with the public while working at his business. But, she was terribly conditioned and fearful to try to get help or escape after decades with this abuser.

So, if she had plotted to and did kill him, thinking that was her only escape, and did escape, what do you think should happen to her? Would you feel the same about her as Gypsy?

Same question if Elizabeth Smart or Shawn Devlin, etc., killed their captor, not in self defense due to imminent threat of death, but after plotting, feeling it was the only way out?

Because I feel this situation is very similar to theirs when it comes to level of abuse, isolation, captivity, psychological control, etc.

This question goes for anyone who disagrees with my opinion!! Thanks guys!!

Jaycee Dugard had children to raise. I have no doubt their very lives were threatened, so she complied. Gypsy's situation is very different, but that doesn't mean it was any less devastating.

A note to all readers, not specifically to this quote:
Imagine your our own child being raised by DeeDee, while you stood idly by. How would you react to the conclusion then? Just some food for thought.

 

[gitana1]

LOL Gitana! We used to say that our daughter was born with a law degree because of her persistence!

I will try to say this as clearly as possible, even though I think I've been pretty clear.

In each hypothetical case you've mentioned, a human life is deliberately taken because the person thinks there is no way out. That is their perception, true or not. In each case there are mitigating circumstances that would be considered within the legal system. I would want each of these women to be treated fairly, with consideration. But I would hope that they would be helped to understand the gravity of what they have done, and receive appropriate help, in whatever way the law provides. I feel the same way about Gypsy.

The bottom line for me in this discussion is that a life has been deliberately taken and that needs to be taken very seriously, no matter how much abuse was endured. I personally do not believe that my life is more valuable than someone else's, even someone who harms me. I would never deliberately plot to kill someone to get out of a terrible situation. I will not choose that option for myself.

If someone else chooses that option to end abuse, they have chosen to defy the standards of our society. As sympathetic as I may be to their situation, for our society not to end up any more lawless than it already is, we need to maintain respect for those standards, even for sympathetic killers. I have addressed how I feel it should play out in the legal system in my first paragraph.

I've stated my opinion and beliefs, several times. I hope this clarifies where I'm coming from. I respect everyone's right to their opinion, even if I strongly disagree. I'm all done.

Thank you! It is clear to me now. I wasn't sure if you'd feel differently about other cases thinking it different if the abuser wasn't family. You are consistent. I have to respect that.