MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #2

[Texas Mist]

15-year-old charged with murder of St. Martins girl

http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=188173&catid=3​

Interesting comment regarding what the "townies" said, right?

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

and I'm off to google MODOT

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Missouri Department of Transportation. And Jefferson City, called Jeff City, is nearby and is the capital of Missouri. MODOT's main office is there.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

Missouri Department of Transportation.

I am not a legal eagle, but I am pretty sure the defense will use her past to it's full advantage. I think if the crime was premeditated and carried out as planned it should be charged as an adult. Thats just my opinion. She knew right from wrong and from the charges this more then likely wasn't a accident.

But remember, in MO and probably most states, premeditation can happen in an instant.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

Thank you, Dani_md, but think my questions weren't clear.....was wondering if the decision re charge as an adult was a debatable one or if the State petitions the court and a Judge renders a decision based solely on the circumstances of the crime.

Sorry.....not sure that is any clearer.

The prosecutor decides they feel it warrants trying as an adult and then they have to convince a juvenile court judge to move it to adult court and try as an adult.

 

[Jules71]

This is grandma's 3rd marriage, at least.

1st marriage in TX in 1975 (to MB's father)
2nd marriage in CA in 1983
3rd marriage to GB (I didn't look for)

You are good! Thanks! I would love to know which source you used. TIA!

 

[amysmom]

very disturbed teen & even her pix kinda backs it up for me but still NO excuse!--NONE!

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[amysmom]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dani_md
Don't feel bad it took me about half an hr to an hr to go through post and try to find names. I am not that great either, but once i found it I was all excited that I did it right...GOOD LUCK

Thanks!

I figure it will take me at least that long (oy!) so after all that I better do it
right!

If I do? :woohoo:

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[Hopeful One]

Trying to catch up... who is AB?

 

[kikid]

sometimes kids go through phases and it's better to just let them express themselves and hope it passes. There are too many kids who obssess over the abercrombie and Hollister. Maybe these kids just want to be different and have their own style. I dress my daughter now because she is a baby, but when she gets older I will let her dress as she pleases (as long as it's not revealing and over the top). That way she can be herself instead of how someone else thinks she should be. Here there are a lot of EMO kids, but it doesn't mean they live up to the name. All the skater kids dress like that because it's their style. Black shirts, black hoodies, black skinny jeans, and black Vans shoes. Some have long hair and some have short.

I have an 11 (will be twelve in a few weeks), and she refuses to wear aeropostale, Hollister, Abercrombie. She likes blue and wants all her clothes in varying shades of blue.... but she won't wear blue jeans (says uncomfortable). Kids are weird with their clothes, sometimes I'm just happy if she has something she will wear at all!

 

[Hopeful One]

I have an 11 (will be twelve in a few weeks), and she refuses to wear aeropostale, Hollister, Abercrombie. She likes blue and wants all her clothes in varying shades of blue.... but she won't wear blue jeans (says uncomfortable). Kids are weird with their clothes, sometimes I'm just happy if she has something she will wear at all!

My son just turned 11 (yesterday!) and he's super picky about his clothes. You would swear he's 15, not just 11. Seems to me like kids are acting older at younger and younger ages.

 

[mom_of_five]

yes i was there then and defended the poor woman, I thought they were way out of line

Same here. I just left the thread. Glad it was stopped.

 

[lajr56]

sometimes kids go through phases and it's better to just let them express themselves and hope it passes. There are too many kids who obssess over the abercrombie and Hollister. Maybe these kids just want to be different and have their own style. I dress my daughter now because she is a baby, but when she gets older I will let her dress as she pleases (as long as it's not revealing and over the top). That way she can be herself instead of how someone else thinks she should be. Here there are a lot of EMO kids, but it doesn't mean they live up to the name. All the skater kids dress like that because it's their style. Black shirts, black hoodies, black skinny jeans, and black Vans shoes. Some have long hair and some have short.

This post caught my eye, because I recently when through something similar. My preteen son wanted to start growing his hair long and started wearing hoodies all the time (with the hood up). I looked at it as a phase, because he is a good kid. But then, he got in some trouble at school and starting getting really mouthy at home.

I told him if he 'looked' like a punk, but was really a good kid that was one thing. However when you start acting like a punk, that is another. His 'civil rights' meant nothing to me at that point. Off with the hair and no hoodies. Allowing him to grow his hair and wear the hoodies was a PRIVILEGE extended to him by his parents. The privilege was was taken away because of bad behavior, just like any other privilege.

BTW, you sleuthers who came up with all the links and info..........You're good!

 

[lillygator]

so what is the update?
a 15 yr old girl did this?

 

[Robyn623]

JMO, it almost sounds like the girls grandparents had their hands full with this girl just by reading her twitter updates. It's been 15 years since I was 15 but I don't remember ever being in such a dark place.

 

[Elley Mae]

JMO, it almost sounds like the girls grandparents had their hands full with this girl just by reading her twitter updates. It's been 15 years since I was 15 but I don't remember ever being in such a dark place.

I'll second that, that was probably the happiest time of my life,no responsibilities other then passing grades in school.

 

[mom_of_five]

This post caught my eye, because I recently when through something similar. My preteen son wanted to start growing his hair long and started wearing hoodies all the time (with the hood up). I looked at it as a phase, because he is a good kid. But then, he got in some trouble at school and starting getting really mouthy at home.

I told him if he 'looked' like a punk, but was really a good kid that was one thing. However when you start acting like a punk, that is another. His 'civil rights' meant nothing to me at that point. Off with the hair and no hoodies. Allowing him to grow his hair and wear the hoodies was a PRIVILEGE extended to him by his parents. The privilege was was taken away because of bad behavior, just like any other privilege.

BTW, you sleuthers who came up with all the links and info..........You're good!

If parents are involved in their teens' lives, I respect their decisions to allow them to wear what they want in an attempt to express themselves. I also respect a parent's decision to say 'enough is enough' and refuse to let their child continue down a questionable path.

On the other hand, I'm not sure I completely buy the 'individuality' sell, because, in all honesty, those 'just being individuals in their style' all look ALIKE to me. That's how we know what a goth or an EMO typically dresses like...because they all conform to one another.

 

[paris_paris]

On Monday, October 19, AB updated her myspace status to this:

grounded from my phone fer two effin weeks. can i convince my gparents for a party? maybe.Mood: chill chillPosted at 5:57 PM Oct 19

This post shows up on Twitter by AB on Wednesday
# sittin in classss. bored as f---. i miss my cell phone :,[6:45 AM Oct 21st from web

Elizabeth goes missing that evening.

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Having been grounded from her cell phone is exactly what my theory was. I didn't see that post on her MySpace.

How sad is it that Elizabeth died over such a stupid thing? And the Murder 1 charge? It could me as simple as AB saying "Let me use your cell phone or I'll kill you".

 

[Cuddlyrunner]

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Having been grounded from her cell phone is exactly what my theory was. I didn't see that post on her MySpace.

How sad is it that Elizabeth died over such a stupid thing? And the Murder 1 charge? It could me as simple as AB saying "Let me use your cell phone or I'll kill you".[/QUOTE]


I can't even begin to fathom the mentality of someone who may kill over a cellphone

 

[Deleted member 718]

Anyone else read about the "predug grave"? I won't get into trouble by linking, but it's out there for the searching.

Shows premeditation and more than cell phone anger. I can't fathom!

 

[capoly]

On Monday, October 19, AB updated her myspace status to this:

grounded from my phone fer two effin weeks. can i convince my gparents for a party? maybe.Mood: chill chillPosted at 5:57 PM Oct 19

This post shows up on Twitter by AB on Wednesday
# sittin in classss. bored as f---. i miss my cell phone :,[6:45 AM Oct 21st from web

Elizabeth goes missing that evening.
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snipped...

Having been grounded from her cell phone is exactly what my theory was. I didn't see that post on her MySpace.

How sad is it that Elizabeth died over such a stupid thing? And the Murder 1 charge? It could me as simple as AB saying "Let me use your cell phone or I'll kill you".

[my bold]


Agree.....in urban areas this "simple" motive has been the cause for a number of kid-killing-kid crimes with varied items i.e. Ipod, a piece of clothing, sneaker being the cause.

Sad but this motive seems abnormally understandable (?) for a urban area yet not for a rural area......