MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #2

[happyday]

There have been a few news stories linked in this thread where a group of people all died or nearly died at the same time from fentanyl. I was wondering if anyone has seen similar news stories where a group of people have died at the same time from alcohol? I had no idea that this was a thing (re fentanyl) and wondering if it's also a thing with alcohol that I didn't know about either.

I don’t think it’s a thing.

 

[happyday]

I can imagine one person dying from acute alcohol poisoning or passing out in the cold from alcohol and succumbing to hypothermia, but three? So quickly not one could make it inside? I just don’t see it. Only something that hits instantaneously could cause three seemingly healthy men in their thirties to drop where they are in an uncomfortable climate and just die. Alcohol creeps up slowly and at very different rates among different people depending on many different variables. I’ll be floored if this doesn’t involve a dangerous drug besides alcohol. (And for the record, I think alcohol is a dangerous drug although a legal one, but not the kind that does this). MOO

 

[Chypre]

I can imagine one person dying from acute alcohol poisoning or passing out in the cold from alcohol and succumbing to hypothermia, but three? So quickly not one could make it inside? I just don’t see it. Only something that hits instantaneously could cause three seemingly healthy men in their thirties to drop where they are in an uncomfortable climate and just die. Alcohol creeps up slowly and at very different rates among different people depending on many different variables. I’ll be floored if this doesn’t involve a dangerous drug besides alcohol. (And for the record, I think alcohol is a dangerous drug although a legal one, but not the kind that does this). MOO

Maybeeee, some kind of grain or moonshine?

 

[happyday]

Maybeeee, some kind of grain or moonshine?

Yeah homemade or tainted alcohol is the only way I can see alcohol killing them all.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Weamer-Lee, the victims’ high school friend, was identified as the fifth man Friday by the Daily Mail.

Weamer-Lee, whose identity wasn’t previously revealed, said that the three victimsand Willis were still awake and alive in the house by the time he left.

His lawyer, Andrew Tagle, told WDAF-TV that his client left the house around midnight Jan. 8, while the other four men, including Willis, stayed to watch Jeopardy

5th Kansas City Chiefs Fan at Home Where 3 Men 'Froze to Death' in Backyard Has History of Drug Arrests: Report

The fifth person who was at a home where three Kansas City Chiefs fans were found dead has been identified in a report as Alex Weamer-Lee.

themessenger.com

 

[Simply Southern]

Moo ... This is a death investigation. I do believe LE has evidence from the scene that leads the investigators to determine this is not a homicide. LE have procedures and protocols that must be followed, leading to a preliminary hypotheses in most cases. Rarely, do we, at WS see LE release this information during an open investigation. It is very frustrating for families, friends and those of us at WS, and leads to rumors and accusations.

LE has the ability to "field test" for most drugs on scene. I do believe the families have a preliminary cause of death. Several family members have spoken of victims "turning" their lives around.

I do believe LE has lots of video door cam/traffic cams that can confirm arrival, departures for all. LE will have phone records/ messages/tracking for all involved. LE can obtain computer/web access from JW computer to verify if and when he was working. Per attorney JW was an independent contractor/ owned his own company, compiling data analyzing research for HIV vaccine trials.

Not one family member reported to LE, as missing. Did any employer notify family or LE for not showing up for work for TWO days? ODD or was this normal behavior? Why didn't the fiance call LE when no one answered the door? Why did she feel the need to risk her own safety to break in? ODD..

All this ODD behavior and the media does not seek answers. Seems bias to me.

All my opinion...

 

[GoBuckeyes]

RSBM
In the previous thread I mentioned the very first time I drank whisky and ended up being extremely Ill for two days. I was literally in bed for two days, except to go to the bathroom, I even called the family doctor for a home visit. I'm not sure if it was alcohol poisoning or some kind of strange allergic reaction, but I was seriously under it. I have never drunk whisky again. Yet the point I am making is, I can believe he was in bed for two days because it happened to me and it was literally alcohol, no drugs.

I'm guessing you probably weren't almost 40 the first time you drank whisky, or that you wouldn't have been awakened by pounding on your door.

 

[threesevenninefour]

Yeah, I'm not buying that either. Mass deaths do occur from alcohol, but when they do happen it's usually outside of the United States, and involves the homemade variety. There are plenty of examples of drug overdoses with multiple casualties. To me, drugs would be the simplest and most logical explanation, and that's without anyone even having a history of that sort of thing. There's a history...

Agreed. I want to tread carefully here because I am absolutely NOT victim-blaming nor do I think past history is an excuse to neglect to conduct a careful investigation, but if you look up Missouri court records it definitely paints a picture of those involved (besides JW) that points in a certain direction. This is all public record that anyone can search online.

 

[Elley Mae]

At the link there are pictures of the home, there is a screen on the ground front of home bottom window, back yard picture shows 2 entrances door with doggie door and sliding door on built out. Also if the upstairs windows are the main floor it doesn’t appear you would have visual of the ground below where the bodies could/would have been out of sight.

PICTURED: Kansas City Chiefs fan whose three friends died in backyard

Jordan Willis' is an award-winning HIV scientist who has moved home and deleted all of his social media after three of his friends were mysteriously found dead on his property.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Coffindaffer went on to point out other discrepancies in Willis’ story, such as his claim that he had not gone outside in two days or that he went to a bar to catch the game.

“It’s not mathin,” Coffindaffer said. “Either the lawyer was lied to, the lawyer is not being truthful, the homeowner is covering his actions.”

“I choose all the above,” she said.

Willis' father, Rodney, recently came to his son's defense, telling the New York Post that "he would never in a million years" do anything wrong, adding that Willis continues to grieve the deaths of his three friends.

Family members and friends of the victims however are suspicious of Willis’ story.

“I’m furious. Everybody is furious,” Harrington’s mother, Jennifer Marquez, told NewsNation. “Nobody believes this story. None of his friends, none of the families, none of us believe it," she said

Former FBI Agent Outlines 6 'Inconsistencies' of Kansas City Man's Story After 3 Friends 'Froze to Death' in Backyard

A former FBI agent is throwing cold water on a homeowner’s story that three Kansas City Chiefs fans, David Harrington, Ricky Johnson, and Clayton McGeeney, froze to death two days after a game.

themessenger.com

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[Arkay]

I sleep with a white noise machine and a fan, and I don’t have a phone in my bedroom because I’m a very light sleeper who will be up all night if awakened by a spam call or such.
But I do not drink nor do drugs, and so I’m never in a stupor that would last for two days.
I don’t know if JW bears any culpability in what occurred, but IMO he has just TOO MANY excuses for EVERY aspect of this case.

He didn’t hear the girlfriend break in but he did hear the police shortly thereafter? Why does he still have a wineglass in his hand? I know he’s old enough to drink and so that’s not a crime, but there just seems like too much attachment to substances going on there.

It just has to be something drastic, we all know that, for three men to die simultaneously. Not to the exact second but certainly within the same time frame.

When the story changes constantly, as told through JW’s lawyer, the truth is being concealed. What reason is there to manipulate the truth? Nothing good.

We see from legit sources that several of these men had substance abuse arrests/problems in their past, so it’s not such a mental leap to assume substances were involved, exacerbated by cold conditions outdoors.

There may be another reason why family did not report them missing the day they didn’t show up for work or answer their phones, but hesitancy to involve LE at the outset is cause for conjecture, IMO.

Scientists are typically detail-oriented. In this case, many of the details provided by JW are mushy and contradictory. They don’t mesh with 5th guy’s story, either.

Something is rotten here. Precisely what, we won’t know til tox and autopsy results.

I feel for the families and sure, the father of one man insists that they saw something they shouldn’t so were killed to silence them. To me that sounds ridiculous but he’s a father, so…


All JMO and speculation until answers are forthcoming.

 

[doublestop]

And that has to be risk of imminent harm. That is when they can hear a fight or there is a fire, none of which were the case here. This is common sense. You cannot call the police and say go in that house because my boyfriend didn't come home. The police can knock and look around the outside, but police do not go entering people's houses. This is basic constitutional knowledge.

My friend's sister died a couple of years ago in her home, where she lived alone. Neighbors had noticed they hadn't seen her in a while and called police for a welfare check. The police came out and looked around, but said they were not legally able to break down the door, but the fire department could. They called the fire department who broke down the door and found her body.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

However, Harrington’s father, Jon, acknowledged that the men could have used “questionable” means.

“I’m aware they may have used some substances that were questionable, but the idea was to get high, not die. “If they were friends, why didn’t Willis come find them,” the grieving father told Fox News.

Picerno told NewsNation that phone records may show that Willis never sent text messages during that period, indicating he did not check his phone for incoming messages.

Willis denied any wrongdoing and has not been charged. He told police the men froze to death in his backyard while he slept inside with music and a fan so he couldn’t hear their cries for help

Girlfriend Of Kansas City Chiefs Fan Found Dead Says He Wasn't A Drug Addict And Claims He 'was In Wrong Place At Wrong Time' - Ny Breaking News

The girlfriend of one of three Kansas City Chiefs fans mysteriously found dead in a friend's backyard has debunked rumors he was a drug addict.

nybreaking.com

 

[SMK777]

Picerno told NewsNation that phone records may show that Willis never sent text messages during that period, indicating he did not check his phone for incoming messages.

So his actual phone records reveal he never checked messages….

 

[MyBelle]

And that has to be risk of imminent harm. That is when they can hear a fight or there is a fire, none of which were the case here. This is common sense. You cannot call the police and say go in that house because my boyfriend didn't come home. The police can knock and look around the outside, but police do not go entering people's houses. This is basic constitutional knowledge.

No answer to the door, no communication with family for several days and the vehicle being present is called "probable cause."

It's also a moot point because in this case, the door was answered, LE entered and received permission to search the house.

JMO

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[louvillian08]

So his actual phone records reveal he never checked messages….

I don't think that is what the lawyer said. He said phone records may show that Willis never sent text messages during that time period. And then the lawyer draws the conclusion claiming that indicates he wasn't checking his phone which I do not think is an assumption you can make just based on that.

 

[MyBelle]

Moo ... This is a death investigation. I do believe LE has evidence from the scene that leads the investigators to determine this is not a homicide. LE have procedures and protocols that must be followed, leading to a preliminary hypotheses in most cases. Rarely, do we, at WS see LE release this information during an open investigation. It is very frustrating for families, friends and those of us at WS, and leads to rumors and accusations.

LE has the ability to "field test" for most drugs on scene. I do believe the families have a preliminary cause of death. Several family members have spoken of victims "turning" their lives around.

I do believe LE has lots of video door cam/traffic cams that can confirm arrival, departures for all. LE will have phone records/ messages/tracking for all involved. LE can obtain computer/web access from JW computer to verify if and when he was working. Per attorney JW was an independent contractor/ owned his own company, compiling data analyzing research for HIV vaccine trials.

Not one family member reported to LE, as missing. Did any employer notify family or LE for not showing up for work for TWO days? ODD or was this normal behavior? Why didn't the fiance call LE when no one answered the door? Why did she feel the need to risk her own safety to break in? ODD..

All this ODD behavior and the media does not seek answers. Seems bias to me.

All my opinion...

BBM. I think the victims being outdoors for a couple of days in a winter storm precluded any type of drug testing on the scene.

JMO

 

[10ofRods]

I just wanted to throw out a new (alcohol only) scenario, after we learned from Fox4/Inside Edition that there are chairs in the backyard. I had mentioned that the existence of chairs would make for new scenarios.

Three men go into the backyard, sitting in chairs near each other (one of the porch chairs is used). One man nods off almost immediately, so now it's only 2 men, passing a bottle back and forth or drinking from separate drinks. These two regard the first guy as "sleeping" and figure they'll wake him up when they decide to leave. Second guy nods off, third guy is too drunk to realize that and about to pass out himself. IOW, all three were at the. black-out point of drinking and all three were unable to understand or feel the cold (due to the alcohol).

Someone on this thread mentioned a photographer project (star photos?) wherein they lay down on plastic on cold ground and fell asleep (no alcohol) even though that wasn't the plan. Woke up hypothermic and disoriented.

I'm not saying this happened, just that it's possible. I agree that LE would have the ability to test for various drugs at the scene. I know it sounds far out there, but theoretically it's possible and, I suppose, statistically not exactly zero probability. Louise Ehrdrich has written a short story about an accidental (alcohol-related) hypothermia death - these happen in the Dakotas with some frequency. But there's more than simply trying to say it does happen. There are reasons why people who are drinking are more likely to die of hypothermia:

Alcohol and cold - PubMed

Alcohol is a dominant cause of death in urban hypothermia. Drinking alcohol gives a pleasant feeling of warmth. However, experimental studies on humans during relatively short exposure to moderate cold have given inconsistent results concerning heat balance. Longer exposure to colder...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

We do not know that they all died within seconds or minutes of each other. If it's true that they went out there at approximately 2 am, it was cold all night and they could have died within a window of hours of each other. They could have been past the shivering phase of hypothermia (masked by alcohol) very quickly. A resting person with ethanol on board would become hypothermic more quickly than a sober, moving person. Without a tent or sleeping bag, hypothermia can set in while sleeping or unconscious in 50F, it was 30-32F until mid-morning in Kansas City (roughly speaking). Extremities/tips of nose/fingers would start going numb and start to freeze after about 30 minutes - less, if there was even a small breeze (it was calm to 5 mph winds that night, IIRC). So, after an hour, the body temperature would start to drop - and continue to drop until the person got up and sought warmth.

Anyway, that's the scenario I was thinking about when wanting to know whether chairs or not. A comfortable place to sit and stretch out and continue the "festivities" may have resulted in hypothermia even before unconsciousness, which causes mental confusion and even an early paradoxical feeling of warmth (and alcohol adds to this by giving the illusion of warmth as well).

THis article from the NYT (using mortality stats from the US database) says that 80% of hypothermia deaths include alcohol or being without shelter or both as a component:

Study of Hypothermia Finds Link to Alcohol (Published 1982)

www.nytimes.com

These three men were without shelter in the yard, and could have been using alcohol.

IMO.

 

[Simply Southern]

I don't think that is what the lawyer said. He said phone records may show that Willis never sent text messages during that time period. And then the lawyer draws the conclusion claiming that indicates he wasn't checking his phone which I do not think is an assumption you can make just based on that.

I would think, the attorney knows 100% what the phone records show. Moo

 

[happyday]

I just wanted to throw out a new (alcohol only) scenario, after we learned from Fox4/Inside Edition that there are chairs in the backyard. I had mentioned that the existence of chairs would make for new scenarios.

Three men go into the backyard, sitting in chairs near each other (one of the porch chairs is used). One man nods off almost immediately, so now it's only 2 men, passing a bottle back and forth or drinking from separate drinks. These two regard the first guy as "sleeping" and figure they'll wake him up when they decide to leave. Second guy nods off, third guy is too drunk to realize that and about to pass out himself. IOW, all three were at the. black-out point of drinking and all three were unable to understand or feel the cold (due to the alcohol).

Someone on this thread mentioned a photographer project (star photos?) wherein they lay down on plastic on cold ground and fell asleep (no alcohol) even though that wasn't the plan. Woke up hypothermic and disoriented.

I'm not saying this happened, just that it's possible. I agree that LE would have the ability to test for various drugs at the scene. I know it sounds far out there, but theoretically it's possible and, I suppose, statistically not exactly zero probability. Louise Ehrdrich has written a short story about an accidental (alcohol-related) hypothermia death - these happen in the Dakotas with some frequency. But there's more than simply trying to say it does happen. There are reasons why people who are drinking are more likely to die of hypothermia:

Alcohol and cold - PubMed

Alcohol is a dominant cause of death in urban hypothermia. Drinking alcohol gives a pleasant feeling of warmth. However, experimental studies on humans during relatively short exposure to moderate cold have given inconsistent results concerning heat balance. Longer exposure to colder...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

We do not know that they all died within seconds or minutes of each other. If it's true that they went out there at approximately 2 am, it was cold all night and they could have died within a window of hours of each other. They could have been past the shivering phase of hypothermia (masked by alcohol) very quickly. A resting person with ethanol on board would become hypothermic more quickly than a sober, moving person. Without a tent or sleeping bag, hypothermia can set in while sleeping or unconscious in 50F, it was 30-32F until mid-morning in Kansas City (roughly speaking). Extremities/tips of nose/fingers would start going numb and start to freeze after about 30 minutes - less, if there was even a small breeze (it was calm to 5 mph winds that night, IIRC). So, after an hour, the body temperature would start to drop - and continue to drop until the person got up and sought warmth.

Anyway, that's the scenario I was thinking about when wanting to know whether chairs or not. A comfortable place to sit and stretch out and continue the "festivities" may have resulted in hypothermia even before unconsciousness, which causes mental confusion and even an early paradoxical feeling of warmth (and alcohol adds to this by giving the illusion of warmth as well).

THis article from the NYT (using mortality stats from the US database) says that 80% of hypothermia deaths include alcohol or being without shelter or both as a component:

Study of Hypothermia Finds Link to Alcohol (Published 1982)

www.nytimes.com

These three men were without shelter in the yard, and could have been using alcohol.

IMO.

You’re right it IS possible. I have no problem imagining this happening to one person, but three is harder to picture. However, the way you suggested it does make it seem plausible. Maybe they went out for a smoke, and all three were already on the verge of blackout/pass out drunk, sat in the chairs (agree the chairs being there makes a difference) and within a short period of time each one passed out… The two in the yard is interesting though. I still think another substance is more likely, but I agree it isn’t out of the realm of possibility that alcohol and freezing temps were responsible for their deaths.