MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #2

[jackietalk]

Where do you watch the discrepancies between #5 and #4?

I am wondering if maybe the dogs were there earlier in the evening and got picked up by the Dad? Maybe #5 did see them but only at the beginning. So maybe they are both telling the truth?

MOO.

Where do you watch the discrepancies between #5 and #4?

I am wondering if maybe the dogs were there earlier in the evening and got picked up by the Dad? Maybe #5 did see them but only at the beginning. So maybe they are both telling the truth?

MOO.

From what I read, the lawyer stated that the dogs were staying at JW’s father house all that period, but it could be that the dogs were there and then JW’s father retrieved them during the night.

 

[10ofRods]

There's no evidence that they died quickly. All we can surmise is that they all lost consciousness around the same time. If they had taken a quick poison like cyanide they would have died inside the house. They either were feeling fine when they went outside to horse around and then got into trouble later or else the reason they went outside was to get some fresh air because they were feeling ill. The latter is more likely. If they were horsing around after midnight I suspect neighbors would have hear noises and at least one call for help when the first one passed out.

How do you surmise that they all "lost consciousness" at around the same time? Does "losing consciousness" include "falling asleep," plus "unconscious due to alcohol or other substance," or "semi-conscious state, perhaps due to substance."

I think a quick poison can be ruled out, as you say.

They need not (all three) be "feeling fine" when they went outside. Some may have thought they needed "fresh air" (a medical symptom by itself). Being able to ambulate to more air is not "feeling fine" necessarily.

In fact, heading outside is a symptom of some drug interactions (as well as other things, often labelled under "shortness of breath," which is a vague symptom.

IMO

 

[10ofRods]

From what I read, the lawyer stated that the dogs were staying at JW’s father house all that period, but it could be that the dogs were there and then JW’s father retrieved them during the night.

Where does he say "all" and give the times? Truly curious.

IMO.

 

[Simply Southern]

I am trying to think of all the possibilities that #4 did not have any idea something took place but he was up a few times and people check their phones religiously and out of habit. He had to have seen all the texts or calls.
I can not think of a logical reason he did not check his phone. He would have needed to charge it.

No one called. I assume no one had his cell number.
The fiance texted in FB messenger. #5 sent one FB messenger on Tues.
I have to open the FB app to see the messages. I never open, so many have spam attached.
Yes, a phone call would have quickly alert JW something was wrong.
Moo

 

[Forest_Wood]

found it interesting to watch Banfield's interview with David Harrington's mother. His mother talked about speaking with two detectives. She stated that the first officer told her that JW's story added up and the detective said, "I'm not really allowed to go into very much but ... when it's all released, it's going to make sense."

I wasn't able to access the interview. What is the last few sentences about two weeks later?

Banfield​

Ashleigh Banfield is the definitive authority on the nation’s biggest true crime stories. A veteran award-winning journalist, Ashleigh brings a sharp focus to the crime stories gripping America, distilling facts and analyzing context in a way which captures viewers’ interests and imaginations...

www.newsnationnow.com
She then called back a couple weeks later because it didn't sit right and she got more of an answer that she wanted/needed to hear imo (which was basically that they were still investigating).

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It was in the middle of the interview I believe when she described her conversation with the first officer.

 

[Interested_But_Confused]

Why would you turn on a large fan on a snowy day?
Claim you got only a fb message while family members claimed they texted him several times.
sleep for 2 days on the sofa?

I have family members who like having a fan on year-round because they like the air movement. There's nothing unusual about that to me.

If he claims he didn't receive the texts, rather than simply not reading them, perhaps they were sent to the wrong number or there was some reason why they weren't delivered. I can't remember, has it been said he actually *received* the texts?

As for sleeping on the couch... why not? He lives alone and does a lot of work from home. He can do whatever he wants.

 

[Chypre]

I found it interesting to watch Banfield's interview with David Harrington's mother. His mother talked about speaking with two detectives. She stated that the first officer told her that JW's story added up and the detective said, "I'm not really allowed to go into very much but ... when it's all released, it's going to make sense."

Banfield

Ashleigh Banfield is the definitive authority on the nation’s biggest true crime stories. A veteran award-winning journalist, Ashleigh brings a sharp focus to the crime stories gripping America, distilling facts and analyzing context in a way which captures viewers’ interests and imaginations...

www.newsnationnow.com

She then called back a couple weeks later because it didn't sit right and she got more of an answer that she wanted/needed to hear imo (which was basically that they were still investigating).

I wasn't able to access the interview. Did the mother believe it will all make sense? (IMO Occam's razor then? Fentanyl?) Did the callback make it less logical?

 

[caradana]

Tox is going to reveal it all. Let’s wait patiently and non-judgmentally.

 

[10ofRods]

I don't know that either. All I know is questionable and unconfirmed. It has started to get to me. Such a disturbing mystery. There's some wild speculations being shared. I feel upset by these deaths, and I think many here do.

JMO, sure, @cuffem, going out for a smoke seems logical. It's not a wild idea. Yes, it's possible one or more were cig or weed smokers. Then, all three die out there??? How's that happen? I would think if any of them were cig smokers, then they went out to smoke several times during their somewhat long visit and made it back inside alive.

My last post was questioning the speculations that they left, couldn't get in the front door, went to back yard to do a coke bump.... but as someone else questioned-- the only lethal drugs they do was at the end of the evening? Seems odd.

It's got to be hard to accept for all their loved ones. They look like such nice guys. Took a lot of photos together. They were real friends. Ended up dying together. Dying too young and will be missed greatly.

I'm trying to keep an open mind on their cause of death. Leaning more towards fentanyl-related, as in it might end up being some occasional drug use, and they didn't know that time it was deadly laced and fast acting. The fentanyl crisis is very real is all I'm saying. MOO​

Like you, I feel upset by wild speculation and try not to join in.

However, I'm happy to hear viewpoints on how I might be in error. The thing is, this type of death is more common than I would like to see.

It seems for sure that all three men were found dead (died) in the backyard. But whether they all died within minutes or hours of each other, I don't know. In theory (following human biology) the slightest/thinnest man should have died first, unless he had on a bigger jacket. Someone left their jacket inside. Who?

When I first read "body found on back porch," I thought "Trying to get in." But after seeing pictures, I am assuming that he may merely have been sitting (unaware) in the cold.

Maybe they went to do a coke bump (bad idea with alcohol and cold weather, but that's a disgression). It seems clear they did go out into 32 degree (or less) weather that dropped to 30-31 that night. They could have been doing little bumps all evening long (and constricting their blood vessels and therefore making themselves even more susceptible). The reasons we prohibit cocaine as a society are numerous.

Could be just alcohol. Could be fentantyl. And I think it's the creeping uncertainty about deaths within a community that is very scary. These deaths are not evenly distributed by state or county. The fentanyl crisis is SO real, for just the reasons you say (young people think it's just the "latest coolest" drug without understand its profound effects (and the need for careful usage - fentanyl is, I believe, still legally prescribed). It's potentially lethal to a high degree - when not precribed:

https://www.dea.gov/alert/dea-laboratory-testing-reveals-6-out-10-fentanyl-laced-fake-prescription-pills-now-contain

IMO

 

[10ofRods]

Tox is going to reveal it all. Let’s wait patiently and non-judgmentally.

I agree. And it will probably be hard to take in. And it could be "just alcohol" (as though alcohol is not sometimes a lethal drug).

IMO.

 

[cuffem]

Tox is going to reveal it all. Let’s wait patiently and non-judgmentally.

I did not think anyone was being judgmental, only trying to figure out what happened.
Not one poster has judged these men for drugs.

 

[Forest_Wood]

No one called. I assume no one had his cell number.
The fiance texted in FB messenger. #5 sent one FB messenger on Tues.
I have to open the FB app to see the messages. I never open, so many have spam attached.
Yes, a phone call would have quickly alert JW something was wrong.
Moo

I find it very peculiar that after 20 years of being friends with at least two of the guys from HS that nobody in the guys' families had JW's number or was close to him? They had to track him down on FB. Twenty years is a long time. And it seemed these guys got together regularly. So he was never invited over for dinner to the families' homes or anything like that? No interactions with anybody else in their families over the course of 20 years? Doesn't that seem odd?
MOO.

 

[jackietalk]

Where does he say "all" and give the times? Truly curious.

IMO.

Sorry, I didn’t mean to write “all” I meant that since in this article (linked below) he says that his father suffers from Alzheimer, the dogs spent most of the time with him. (Sorry, my first language is not english so sometimes I don’t explain myself at best).

Jordan Willis, host of fateful Chiefs watch party, ‘depressed’ by accusations he played role in 3 pals deaths: report

“No one seems to be willing to wait for the results of the toxicology report or wait for any other facts from the police department.”

nypost.com

 

[al66pine]

Was JW "AWOL" from Employment?

I still don't understand. So, JW missed two days of work? A lot of employers would have sounded the alarm part way through the second day by contacting an emergency contact. MOO

@GoBuckeyes Not clear to me if JW "missed two days of work."
If he did not go to the place of employer's location, but was expected to be physically present (in lab, office, where-ev) then agreeing w you that it would not be unexpected for employer to attempt make contact, logically first w JW, & if unsuccessful, then JW's emergency contact.
Maybe his employee did try reach him or his emergency contact. Have not heard or read it, but I would not expect to hear that. Anyone?

Is it possible JW phoned, texted, or otherwise contacted employer, on Mon or Tues, saying something like I'm under the weather, will be in touch soon. I do not recall seeing or hearing anything to this effect but would not expect to. Anyone?

In an article w interview (sorry, no link) w JW before this sad event, IIRC, he mentioned WFH.

Is it possible that, on Mon & Tues JW sporadically "worked through" a hangover (if he had one from whatever) in a few short bursts of activity? Maybe sent a few emails to cowrokers, or accessed employers' intranet, proprietary apps, or what-ev to give appearance of working on a project.

Pure speculation on my part, not saying that it happened.

 

[cuffem]

Sorry, I didn’t mean to write “all” I meant that since in this article (linked below) he says that his father suffers from Alzheimer, the dogs spent most of the time with him. (Sorry, my first language is not english so sometimes I don’t explain myself at best).

Jordan Willis, host of fateful Chiefs watch party, ‘depressed’ by accusations he played role in 3 pals deaths: report

“No one seems to be willing to wait for the results of the toxicology report or wait for any other facts from the police department.”

nypost.com

NY Post not sure I trust their journalism with accurate facts. You can bet their “source” is his lawyer. JMO.

 

[10ofRods]

Sorry, I didn’t mean to write “all” I meant that since in this article (linked below) he says that his father suffers from Alzheimer, the dogs spent most of the time with him. (Sorry, my first language is not english so sometimes I don’t explain myself at best).

Jordan Willis, host of fateful Chiefs watch party, ‘depressed’ by accusations he played role in 3 pals deaths: report

“No one seems to be willing to wait for the results of the toxicology report or wait for any other facts from the police department.”

nypost.com

Thank you! Great clarification. This is how I understood it (dogs frequently/often/most of the time at Dad's house).

Makes sense to me, really.

 

[Curious Me]

Hello, Thanks for the Welcome!! I was wondering too, since it’s odd that a person does not work on a Monday, but I couldn’t find anything.

Welcome from me too, @jackietalk.

A salaried employee doesn't have to clock in. They are paid a salary, not an hourly wage. Some companies & corps, and I imagine, universities, etc., might give a scientific researcher the freedom to work on their projects without as much daily interaction as you'd expect from an hourly employee. MOO, JW was a highly esteemed researcher judging from the projects he's worked on. He probably could make his own hours, maybe check in for weekly meetings. It's just a thought and MOO.​

 

[Forest_Wood]

I wasn't able to access the interview. What is the last few sentences about two weeks later?

Oh I get your question now. I just watched it again for you.

After talking with the first officer (who I referred to in my previous post) it didn't sit well with her, so she called back and talked to the main detective, "And she somewhat corrected what he said. She said that they were still investigating everything, nothing was determined, that she couldn't tell me anything but they hadn't stopped with the investigation."

Then, she called back again the same day as this interview with Banfield (2 weeks after talking with the first two officers) and spoke with a 3rd officer. The 3rd officer told her they were still looking (investigating) and she told him some things that she has heard about JW (and she wasn't sure she was allowed to talk about it). She also said she "knows" #5 is telling the truth and when he left, everything was fine, and "he has nothing to do with what happened."

Hopefully that's helpful to you.

 

[TIGER0822]

This ^^^ Thank you @Curious Me

I think people were going back and forth on wheter the bodies were buried / covered in snow.

 

[10ofRods]

I find it very peculiar that after 20 years of being friends with at least two of the guys from HS that nobody in the guys' families had JW's number or was close to him? They had to track him down on FB. wenty years is a long time. And it seemed these guys got together regularly. So he was never invited over for dinner to the families' homes or anything like that? No interactions with anybody else in their families over the course of 20 years? Doesn't that seem odd?
MOO.

So how did they also text him? Or is that erroneous reporting? There seem to be MSM stories saying both things - so not sure how we know.

Seems to me that JW may have moved back into the area recently (I'm just hypothesizing). How do you know that they got together regularly? Any source? I have not seen that and until there's a source, assume otherwise.

Track down on FB? What does that mean? At any rate, I've never heard that these men "got together regularly" and so, if you can, please provide soure.

I doubt he was ever over for family dinner - why would you think that?

No where do we know the entire life histories of these 4-5 people. No interactions for 20 years (before moving home after pursuing education) does not seem odd to me at all. It looks like none of the families has come forward to mention JW. Many of us live in a world where we have little contact with earlier friends - that seems to be the case here. A person who is doing the kind of research that JW has published may not have much of a social life, in which case he may be typical of many scientists.

IMO.