MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #2

[cuffem]

I think people were going back and forth on wheter the bodies were buried / covered in snow.

That is what I thought and the post about their burial services had me confused. This case is confusing. Imo.

 

[10ofRods]

Oh I get your question now. I just watched it again for you.

After talking with the first officer (who I referred to in my previous post) it didn't sit well with her, so she called back and talked to the main detective, "And she somewhat corrected what he said. She said that they were still investigating everything, nothing was determined, that she couldn't tell me anything but they hadn't stopped with the investigation."

Then, she called back again the same day as this interview with Banfield (2 weeks after talking with the first two officers) and spoke with a 3rd officer. The 3rd officer told her they were still looking (investigating) and she told him some things that she has heard about JW (and she wasn't sure she was allowed to talk about it). She also said she "knows" #5 is telling the truth and when he left, everything was fine, and "he has nothing to do with what happened."

Hopefully that's helpful to you.

Can you please give allowed sources? MSM? I'm so confused now.

TIA.

 

[Chimera]

There's no evidence that they died quickly. All we can surmise is that they all lost consciousness around the same time. If they had taken a quick poison like cyanide they would have died inside the house. They either were feeling fine when they went outside to horse around and then got into trouble later or else the reason they went outside was to get some fresh air because they were feeling ill. The latter is more likely. If they were horsing around after midnight I suspect neighbors would have hear noises and at least one call for help when the first one passed out.

Hopefully the autopsies will reveal much, for the families' sakes.
Iirc, cyanide and some other substances leave the body quickly and may not be detected if the coroner isn't looking specifically for it ? I learned this from following and reading various cases.
So it's possible we may never know what happened -- but again I hope this will not be the case.
Omo.

 

[jjleroche]

I still don't understand. So, JW missed two days of work? A lot of employers would have sounded the alarm part way through the second day by contacting an emergency contact. MOO

IMO he didn't necessarily miss two days of work. If he frequently worked from home, as stated (see attached link) Chiefs fan and HIV scientist named after 3 friends were found dead in his yard then not fronting up physically would not be seen as out of the ordinary IMO.

Extract from post #570 below explains the level of concentration necessary in order to conduct the complex data analyses of his biochemical research:

10ofRods said:
Plus, the kind of academic work/research he does is often accompanied by long stints at a computer - the kinds of formulae involved can keep someone at it for 20 hours, which I've witnessed with my own eyes. At his stage of career, he's probably gotten some kind of work-life balance, but my friends who do this technical work definitely have to be prompted by their watches to stand up occasionally (deep inside a mathematical web, they are reluctant to have to lose their train of thought). It's been written about Einstein that he had this rare gift where he could be days into a long formulation and still be able to start all over and (more and more quickly) remember the whole thing. If I am doing complex math and I stop, it's a complete do-over for me and I think that's common (it's also why I don't do the intensive type of biochemical research that JW is known for - it's a rare gift).

 

[TIGER0822]

Plus, the kind of academic work/research he does is often accompanied by long stints at a computer - the kinds of formulae involved can keep someone at it for 20 hours, which I've witnessed with my own eyes. At his stage of career, he's probably gotten some kind of work-life balance, but my friends who do this technical work definitely have to be prompted by their watches to stand up occasionally (deep inside a mathematical web, they are reluctant to have to lose their train of thought). It's been written about Einstein that he had this rare gift where he could be days into a long formulation and still be able to start all over and (more and more quickly) remember the whole thing. If I am doing complex math and I stop, it's a complete do-over for me and I think that's common (it's also why I don't do the intensive type of biochemical research that JW is known for - it's a rare gift).

As it is, when there's inclement weather, we do stay indoors. We have a window into the front yard and another into the backyard - but we have two sideyards that are essentially invisible to us (as well as several portions of the front and back yards that we cannot see - probably half of our property is invisible from those windows). If someone had died in the yard right outside my dressing room, I would never see them.

We do have dogs - but there were no dogs at the house when LE arrived. I assume 5th person may have arrived to actually watch the game - and the three other men came over afterwards. Perhaps the father came and got the dogs prior to the main get together. Perhaps the father came and got the dogs during the game, as it was cold and maybe he felt for them being locked outside (as people often do when socializing). We just don't know. Clearly, no dogs when either the girlfriend or LE arrived. I also assume that the dogs would have alerted on the front door during the other attempts (if there were other attempts) to contact JW inside his house.

Since I also often work with airpods on, I will say that the whole goal is to not be interrupted by people at the door/mailman, etc. If I go in my room and wear the airpods, the dogs do not jolt all my thoughts out of my head. Airpods also allow voice contact via the internet, so it's possible to work in teams and tune out the rest of the world. That's how a lot of science research gets done these days, IMO. If JW was planning a major work session the following day, it makes sense that he'd ask his dad to come and get the dogs.

would like to know the dog story.

 

[10ofRods]

I still don't understand. So, JW missed two days of work? A lot of employers would have sounded the alarm part way through the second day by contacting an emergency contact. MOO

Not research and academic employers. It's normal. A researcher spends most of their time alone - and not having to give them an on-campus office is just a bonus.

My own employer (college) would not sound the alarm if I was "gone" for two months (because almost all the work I do is...online; I have LE friends who mostly work online too; and in other professions).

He didn't miss any days of work because he was online (engaged or not - research takes hours and HOURS of what I would suppose can be considered uninterrupted passive research).

IMO. Lots of backtracking and "empty head space" involved in actual scientific research, IMO. Not empty at all, of course.
IMO.

 

[Forest_Wood]

So how did they also text him? Or is that erroneous reporting? There seem to be MSM stories saying both things - so not sure how we know.

Seems to me that JW may have moved back into the area recently (I'm just hypothesizing). How do you know that they got together regularly? Any source? I have not seen that and until there's a source, assume otherwise.

Track down on FB? What does that mean? At any rate, I've never heard that these men "got together regularly" and so, if you can, please provide soure.

I doubt he was ever over for family dinner - why would you think that?

No where do we know the entire life histories of these 4-5 people. No interactions for 20 years (before moving home after pursuing education) does not seem odd to me at all. It looks like none of the families has come forward to mention JW. Many of us live in a world where we have little contact with earlier friends - that seems to be the case here. A person who is doing the kind of research that JW has published may not have much of a social life, in which case he may be typical of many scientists.

IMO.

There was an article posted that spoke of how they got together regularly for football.
And some of the family has spoken about their dislike of him also.
I don't know the source atm. I'm sure you could locate the same information if you spent the time searching for it.
There are also articles that state they had to send him a FB message to get ahold of him.
What do you not understand about tracking someone down? It's self-explanatory as far as I'm concerned.
JW has denied receiving texts as far as I understand it.
There's been many discussions here about these points.And the lawyer addressed these issues in depth on News Nation.
Why wouldn't I think the guys might have included JW in their family events occasionally. Isn't that what friends do?
Or do you think he was just a casual acquaintance? Not sure either way, just like you seem unsure.
For example, how do you know he moved away for his education? Is it common knowledge?
I've worked with scientists and many of them had active social lives, so again, perspective.
In any event, we all have our own interpretations and we all have our own opinions about what we see and hear about this case.
MOO.

 

[MyBelle]

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I don't believe any of the men knowingly consumed an illegal drug. I think they may have smoked weed that was obtained from a dealer rather than purchased from a legal dispensary. The weed may have been laced with another drug to bulk up its weight, none of them were aware of it and that's why the tox screen results are so important.

At this point, I think LE know the results and are most interested in tracking down the dealer.

JMO
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[iusedtofloat]

yeah the fent crisis is real but 1) we dont know that's what they died of unless i missed the coroners report and 2) all THREE MEN die outside without coats on and nobody tries to make their way back inside?? and 3) the host sleeps on a couch for 48 hours but opens the door to police with a wine glass in his hand?? i cannot make sense of this. i will be shocked if this is accidental etc...

 

[iusedtofloat]

This brings to mind a scientific test I did at uni many, many years ago. My project involved testing people drinking alcohol in the cold. The uni I went to had a cold weather-controlled chamber. I provided alcohol to some subjects and non-alcohol to others as they exercised on a bike. The alcohol-drinking group had warmer superficial temperatures and 'felt' warmer, but their core temperatures were very much lower.

Conclusion: If you are drinking you don't feel the cold as much but your body may be suffering.

P.S. The test I did was 40 years ago. The paper was published by a group that did research on alcoholism.
PPS: Yes, I am old!

yeah, alcohol drags the warmth outward so you feel it more but you're actually colder!

 

[iusedtofloat]

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i sleep with a LOUD fan on and headphones on. i can still hear when people are desperately banging on my door, and my bedroom is a decent length of space away from front door!!! my two cents... not to mention, "host" said he was sleeping on his couch not in his bedroom so that makes the lack of notice of door knocks/phone calls/what have you, even weirder...

 

[Chypre]

Oh I get your question now. I just watched it again for you.

After talking with the first officer (who I referred to in my previous post) it didn't sit well with her, so she called back and talked to the main detective, "And she somewhat corrected what he said. She said that they were still investigating everything, nothing was determined, that she couldn't tell me anything but they hadn't stopped with the investigation."

Then, she called back again the same day as this interview with Banfield (2 weeks after talking with the first two officers) and spoke with a 3rd officer. The 3rd officer told her they were still looking (investigating) and she told him some things that she has heard about JW (and she wasn't sure she was allowed to talk about it). She also said she "knows" #5 is telling the truth and when he left, everything was fine, and "he has nothing to do with what happened."

Hopefully that's helpful to you.

Thanks, so much. I appreciate the extra watch.

 

[10ofRods]

i sleep with a LOUD fan on and headphones on. i can still hear when people are desperately banging on my door, and my bedroom is a decent length of space away from front door!!! my two cents... not to mention, "host" said he was sleeping on his couch not in his bedroom so that makes the lack of notice of door knocks/phone calls/what have you, even weirder...

We have no evidence that any of the deceased knocked on the door, tried to open gates, or yelled for neighbors' help.

IMO. The door knocks come two days later (from the sister).

That fact pattern tells a story.

IMO. And BTW, we cannot hear (from the back fo our house - and this house had an upstairs that faced away from the backyard) any sounds at our front door when we have our noise cancelling stuff going on - that's the whole point of having such a system.

Do you have a source for him sleeping on the couch? I thought MSM said he "came downstairs" to meet the officers with a wine glass in his hand (which is lawyer says contained water - I'd guess it was taken into evidence, so hopefully he didn't lie).

He does (gradually?) wake up on the morning that the fiancée comes to the door (and then breaks in - and I don't blame her).

Anyway, do you have a source for him not sleeping in his bedroom, because I thought the MSm here said the opposite.

IMO. I myself cannot hear most loud noises when I'm asleep (with noise-cancelling headphones, noise machine, and ambient music - at the back of the house, away from every source of noise I can figure out). I use ear plugs AND headphones and that does the trick. I am not alone.

 

[iusedtofloat]

We have no evidence that any of the deceased knocked on the door, tried to open gates, or yelled for neighbors' help.

IMO. The door knocks come two days later (from the sister).

That fact pattern tells a story.

IMO. And BTW, we cannot hear (from the back fo our house - and this house had an upstairs that faced away from the backyard) any sounds at our front door when we have our noise cancelling stuff going on - that's the whole point of having such a system.

Do you have a source for him sleeping on the couch? I thought MSM said he "came downstairs" to meet the officers with a wine glass in his hand (which is lawyer says contained water - I'd guess it was taken into evidence, so hopefully he didn't lie).

He does (gradually?) wake up on the morning that the fiancée comes to the door (and then breaks in - and I don't blame her).

Anyway, do you have a source for him not sleeping in his bedroom, because I thought the MSm here said the opposite.

IMO.

im talking about the men's families. the husband of one of the men's friends knocked frantically for a LONG time on doors and windows!!

3 Kansas City Chiefs fans found frozen to death outside home of friend who had ‘no knowledge’ bodies were there: lawyer

The bodies were found on the evening of Jan. 9 after the fiancée of one of the men requested a welfare check, Kansas City police said.

nypost.com

“This man was inside his home alive while my friends were dead in his yard for lord knows how long,” Kaylee La Tier wrote in a Facebook post earlier this month.

“They were all hanging out since after the game Sunday. He KNEW people were looking for them. He read messages of people searching for him on Tuesday.”

“My husband banged on his door for 20 [minutes],” La Tier continued. “My friend banged on his door and then busted a window and yelled and announced her presence while she’s inside and still nothing from him? Then the cops come 10 [minutes] later and he comes out nonchalant in his boxers with an empty wine glass in hand??! Nothing is adding up. Dave, Clay and Ricky need and deserve justice.”

Kansas City Chiefs fan ‘was asleep on the couch’ for 2 days while friends lay dead in his backyard, lawyer says

“He was asleep. He was asleep on the couch. The last memory he has is of them leaving [out] the front door,” lawyer John Picerno told The Post.

nypost.com

JW's lawyer has even contradicted himself a few times which explains why he's been quiet today and yesterday when he sure was talking a lot before that lol...
I am sure the friends and fam won't let this go.... There is more to this story.

 

[iusedtofloat]

if i was outside my friend's house in the cold and they somehow locked me out (??? unsure if backdoor was locked but if it wasn't why wouldn't the men have let themselves back in) i'd be breaking in a window...

 

[iusedtofloat]

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JW said he went to bed after seeing the men leave out his front door at a certain time. That's what JW's lawyer has stated publicly. That is not what the other guests stated. They said the men were up longer and the last guy out the door said the 3 men were on couch with JW watching jeopardy.

Mystery deepens as fifth friend at Chiefs gathering claims fans found frozen to death in backyard were inside watching ‘Jeopardy!’ when he left

Jordan Willis had four friends over to his Kansas City rental on Jan. 7, his lawyer claimed.

nypost.com

 

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I'm glad they finally caught up to me!

Yes, a drink (or two) will make you feel warm but that's a false sense of comfort.

 

[Chimera]

JW said he went to bed after seeing the men leave out his front door at a certain time. That's what JW's lawyer has stated publicly. That is not what the other guests stated. They said the men were up longer and the last guy out the door said the 3 men were on couch with JW watching jeopardy.

Mystery deepens as fifth friend at Chiefs gathering claims fans found frozen to death in backyard were inside watching ‘Jeopardy!’ when he left

Jordan Willis had four friends over to his Kansas City rental on Jan. 7, his lawyer claimed.

nypost.com

Red emphasis mine.
Ok, so the three deceased AND the host were all up and watching/socializing when friend #5 left ?
I kept thinking JW had maybe gone upstairs to sleep while the guests & #5 were still there ?
Yes I know there's also the possibility that JW escorted the three to the door and crashed on the couch ...
Smh.
One more thing : Are there security cameras or a ring doorbell at the hosts' rental house ?
Anywhere there on the property ?
LE seem to have gone silent in the last few days.
Omo.

 

[iusedtofloat]

Are you saying a sixth person came up? I only know about 5. This includes the three victims, and JW (possible victim) then friend number #5.

yes i meant friend 5, sorry.

Details change again, 5th friend speaks out after 3 men found dead at KC home

Two weeks after three friends were found dead outside a KC home, an attorney is changing his story and a fifth friend involved is speaking out.

fox4kc.com

watching the lawyer change his tune multiple times now isn't helping J's case.

Oh I get your question now. I just watched it again for you.

After talking with the first officer (who I referred to in my previous post) it didn't sit well with her, so she called back and talked to the main detective, "And she somewhat corrected what he said. She said that they were still investigating everything, nothing was determined, that she couldn't tell me anything but they hadn't stopped with the investigation."

Then, she called back again the same day as this interview with Banfield (2 weeks after talking with the first two officers) and spoke with a 3rd officer. The 3rd officer told her they were still looking (investigating) and she told him some things that she has heard about JW (and she wasn't sure she was allowed to talk about it). She also said she "knows" #5 is telling the truth and when he left, everything was fine, and "he has nothing to do with what happened."

Hopefully that's helpful to you.

oh so are they walking back the "100% NOT foul play" thing?

 

[Rose1981]

yes i meant friend 5, sorry.

Details change again, 5th friend speaks out after 3 men found dead at KC home

Two weeks after three friends were found dead outside a KC home, an attorney is changing his story and a fifth friend involved is speaking out.

fox4kc.com

watching the lawyer change his tune multiple times now isn't helping J's case.


oh so are they walking back the "100% NOT foul play" thing?

The last two men JW, and friend 5 have conflicting accounts of the events that transpired. It will all come out in the end, or it could be like "The Dyatlov Pass Incident" and we will never really know. <modsnip>