MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #2

[December]

I don't think the friends and family are exaggerating about the number of messages they sent because they can check the records of this on their own phones. So, the numbers they're saying should be reasonably close to what they did.

I want to know about the deceased guys' phones.

ETA: i guess i should say i want to know about everything the guys who died brought into the house with them as opposed to what was found on them when they were located outside. I am not accusing anyone of taking their things. But, i think that would allow some estimate to how long they thought they might be outside.

We know one guy left his coat behind. That says to me he not only wasn't leaving the house at the point he went outside, he was not expecting to be out there all that long. I don't care if he didn't feel cold, if he was leaving, he probably would have taken his coat. But, just going outside comes along with the understanding that "if i get cold, i can go back in" so that is probably what he thought.

 

[Chimera]

I don't think the friends and family are exaggerating about the number of messages they sent because they can check the records of this on their own phones. So, the numbers they're saying should be reasonably close to what they did.

I want to know about the deceased guys' phones.

ETA: i guess i should say i want to know about everything the guys who died brought into the house with them as opposed to what was found on them when they were located outside. I am not accusing anyone of taking their things. But, i think that would allow some estimate to how long they thought they might be outside.

We know one guy left his coat behind. That says to me he not only wasn't leaving the house at the point he went outside, he was not expecting to be out there all that long. I don't care if he didn't feel cold, if he was leaving, he probably would have taken his coat. But, just going outside comes along with the understanding that "if i get cold, i can go back in" so that is probably what he thought.

Bolding mine.
Agreed and good sleuthing !

It would help to understand how this happened.
I think it was avoidable, and that's tragic.
Omo.

 

[10ofRods]

I don't think the friends and family are exaggerating about the number of messages they sent because they can check the records of this on their own phones. So, the numbers they're saying should be reasonably close to what they did.

I want to know about the deceased guys' phones.

ETA: i guess i should say i want to know about everything the guys who died brought into the house with them as opposed to what was found on them when they were located outside. I am not accusing anyone of taking their things. But, i think that would allow some estimate to how long they thought they might be outside.

We know one guy left his coat behind. That says to me he not only wasn't leaving the house at the point he went outside, he was not expecting to be out there all that long. I don't care if he didn't feel cold, if he was leaving, he probably would have taken his coat. But, just going outside comes along with the understanding that "if i get cold, i can go back in" so that is probably what he thought.

This is why I think that sometime after midnight, they went into the backyard - perhaps for a drunken moment. Alcohol causes people to do all kinds of things.

Of course we'd like to know "what they brought with them," but right now, that seems unlikely to discover. I agree that the guy didn't plan to be outside for long when he left his coat behind (although again, alcohol-induced reasoning is not good reasoning).

He would have thought he could come right back in. But none of them ever made it out of the cold back yard - a cold that would have been causing mild hypothermia after about an hour (perhaps less, dependent on body mass). Moderate hypothermia on its own (without alcohol) causes confusion and poor decision making.

IMO

 

[December]

@Rigatoni999 , how do we know the wine glass had water in it? Has that been confirmed or was there just a clear liquid in it? Idk what else it could be, and it probably was water. But, is this a fact in this very free form case?

I am sorry, i think that the host is responsible for their guest. I was in a fraternity in college so i have seen some drinking. Our house was out on a very large parcel of land. Yet, no one died sleeping it off in the field. I attended college in an area known for rapid changes in weather and we had huge parties. Zero deaths.

I don't know, maybe the brothers went out with flashlights to make sure there wasn't anyone outside when it was cold and we had a party. But, i kinda don't think so.

We served PGA punch. So, people got seriously drunk. We were supposed to stay sober enough to somewhat pay attention to our guests and we always served food. It wasn't much but it was better than nothing.

So, i was regularly in a house with much younger guys than these guys and things weren't a hot mess. I was friends with guys in two other frats and i went to their houses all the time. No one went outside and just died at them either.

Something else happened here.

 

[10ofRods]

Perhaps someone does ... when they are drunk.

Drunk people do not act like sober, rational people in some cases. That's just a fact.

Exactly. That seems to be a main point for you and me. And it's hard to claim there was no alcohol use on a Football Sunday at a friend's house. No one has claimed that, anyway, of the people who've spoken.

Alcohol and cold weather can be a wicked combination.

IMO

 

[LMDlong]

Has anyone thought about if the men left to possibly pick up and use drugs, then came back and re-entered through the yard thinking the back door would be unlocked? But they succumbed to the drugs before getting inside? Someone said the fiancé couldn't get the gate opened but that doesn't mean the men couldn't open it 2 nights before. MOO

The image of the gate looks like the gate I have . The gates looks on the inside ,so people outside can’t get in.

 

[December]

This is why I think that sometime after midnight, they went into the backyard - perhaps for a drunken moment. Alcohol causes people to do all kinds of things.

Of course we'd like to know "what they brought with them," but right now, that seems unlikely to discover. I agree that the guy didn't plan to be outside for long when he left his coat behind (although again, alcohol-induced reasoning is not good reasoning).

He would have thought he could come right back in. But none of them ever made it out of the cold back yard - a cold that would have been causing mild hypothermia after about an hour (perhaps less, dependent on body mass). Moderate hypothermia on its own (without alcohol) causes confusion and poor decision making.

IMO

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I know we aren't going to get an inventory sheet on these guys. But, if they didn't have major things like coats or phones, that's weird. I doubt we will ever know. I am just saying it would tell us something if we knew.

I guess I should have phrased it better. Probably all we are ever going to know is these guys died... Somehow.

 

[twall]

Cuomo 01/25/2024

 

[AmandaSkis]

I wholeheartedly believe in Occam’s Razor.

It does seem odd that JW missed texts, calls, or other means of communication, but I feel bad for him. He just lost three friends in such a traumatic way, and social media idiots are attacking him without any evidence.

 

[MyBelle]

@Rigatoni999 , how do we know the wine glass had water in it? Has that been confirmed or was there just a clear liquid in it? Idk what else it could be, and it probably was water. But, is this a fact in this very free form case?

I am sorry, i think that the host is responsible for their guest. I was in a fraternity in college so i have seen some drinking. Our house was out on a very large parcel of land. Yet, no one died sleeping it off in the field. I attended college in an area known for rapid changes in weather and we had huge parties. Zero deaths.

I don't know, maybe the brothers went out with flashlights to make sure there wasn't anyone outside when it was cold and we had a party. But, i kinda don't think so.

We served PGA punch. So, people got seriously drunk. We were supposed to stay sober enough to somewhat pay attention to our guests and we always served food. It wasn't much but it was better than nothing.

So, i was regularly in a house with much younger guys than these guys and things weren't a hot mess. I was friends with guys in two other frats and i went to their houses all the time. No one went outside and just died at them either.

Something else happened here.

BBM. How do we know he came to the door in boxers with a wine glass? Where is the proof? I don't believe LE would tell members of the family this personal information while at the same time publicly claiming there is no evidence of a crime, and they are waiting on a toxicology reports.

One of the mothers acknowledged it is possible drugs were involved. What I find very odd is that the woman who broke in to go out into the back yard found only one body. Did she get a call or text from him before he died? If she recognized the vehicles of all three men, why didn't she look for the other two missing men? It was LE who found their bodies.
JMO

Both Men Who Last Saw 3 KC Friends Alive Hire Criminal Defense Lawyers

An attorney for this fifth man alleged that his client texted Jordan Willis, the renter of the home, before the bodies of the three men were found, hoping to get information on their whereabouts, as did family members of the men.

www.insideedition.com

When asked to respond to speculation that drugs could be involved, she says: "I can't say that they're not, but all three [men] dead?"
She then adds of Willis, a noted HIV researcher: "This guy brags on being a scientist. All I can think is, what did he concoct?"

As Inside Edition Digital previously reported, police were called to the scene after the fiancée of McGeeney broke into the home on the night of Jan. 9.

Two women who knew the men say McGeeney's fiancée made the decision to break in after seeing the men's cars parked outside.

 

[neesaki]

I don't think the friends and family are exaggerating about the number of messages they sent because they can check the records of this on their own phones. So, the numbers they're saying should be reasonably close to what they did.

I want to know about the deceased guys' phones.

ETA: i guess i should say i want to know about everything the guys who died brought into the house with them as opposed to what was found on them when they were located outside. I am not accusing anyone of taking their things. But, i think that would allow some estimate to how long they thought they might be outside.

We know one guy left his coat behind. That says to me he not only wasn't leaving the house at the point he went outside, he was not expecting to be out there all that long. I don't care if he didn't feel cold, if he was leaving, he probably would have taken his coat. But, just going outside comes along with the understanding that "if i get cold, i can go back in" so that is probably what he thought.

All excellent points, and thank you for bringing them up @December ….. especially when I‘m too tired to.
I also want to know about their phones, as well as what they showed re the communication.
And I 100% agree with you, that these family members are not exaggerating about the phone calls and texts that they sent to JW when they were frantically looking for their loved ones.
He can deny all he wants, but the records are records, even if he deleted them. It won’t matter they’ll still be there.

It was cold outside that night, so it is hard to believe they would go out there for any length of time without their coats.We can only speculate about what was going on, but…. what would all three of them go out there for, for a short time span, apparently expecting to come right back inside? I mean it was cold out.
Do you have any ideas?

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Perhaps someone does ... when they are drunk.

Drunk people do not act like sober, rational people in some cases. That's just a fact.

IMO, there are also two other people who are perhaps experiencing the tragic loss of three of their long-time friends right now too. Until the police change their "no evidence of foul play", I'll prefer not to deal with suppositions about drugs, pre-meditation, etc, etc ... Probably also explains why the two lawyered up as well seeing the theories and allegations being made about them/one of them regarding their complicity and illegal activity on one or both their parts flying around the internet unfounded and NOT based on anything LE has released thus far.

We're all just speculating. There's been no LE statement about any substances being consumed at his house, right? (Including alcohol.)

I find it a little odd that LE has said publicly at least once that he's not a suspect. In fact, they've said that they don't suspect foul play. But he hired a lawyer, AFTER he already spoke to LE. I would've hired one immediately. It seems like the time for concern has passed: he did the interview and he's not a suspect. Why go to that expense after the fact? I'm not saying it's suspicious necessarily, but definitely odd. Maybe his father insisted on a lawyer, idk.

I just know if I awaken to 3 dead bodies in my backyard, my first call is going to be to an attorney.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

All excellent points, and thank you for bringing them up @December ….. especially when I‘m too tired to.
I also want to know about their phones, as well as what they showed re the communication.
And I 100% agree with you, that these family members are not exaggerating about the phone calls and texts that they sent to JW when they were frantically looking for their loved ones.
He can deny all he wants, but the records are records, even if he deleted them. It won’t matter they’ll still be there.

It was cold outside that night, so it is hard to believe they would go out there for any length of time without their coats.We can only speculate about what was going on, but…. what would all three of them out there for, for a short time span, apparently expecting to come right back inside? I mean it was cold out.
Do you have any ideas?

I also wish that LE had asked for the renter's phone. It doesn't sound like they did, as they did a quick cursory search, waiting at least 2 days later to do a more thorough search. By then the men had been dead 4 days.

I read earlier that it snowed overnight there after the game. I'm just picturing those 3 friends lying out there with the snow coming down and slowly covering them. Very sad all the way around.

 

[UltraViolet4545]

But he hired a lawyer, AFTER he already spoke to LE. I would've hired one immediately. It seems like the time for concern has passed: he did the interview and he's not a suspect. Why go to that expense after the fact? I'm not saying it's suspicious necessarily, but definitely odd. Maybe his father insisted on a lawyer, idk.

I just know if I awaken to 3 dead bodies in my backyard, my first call is going to be to an attorney.

He was probably totally shocked right at first… to find out his 3 good longtime friends are all dead, and frozen in his back yard? I can’t even imagine the hysterics of that scene, especially with the girlfriend of the one seeing that and being there. If the police pulled him aside to talk, he maybe spoke candidly about the night they were over not even thinking about getting an attorney.

Once the dust started to settle though, he was probably advised to hire an attorney. No matter what happened, 3 people were found dead in his back yard.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

@Rigatoni999 , how do we know the wine glass had water in it? Has that been confirmed or was there just a clear liquid in it? Idk what else it could be, and it probably was water. But, is this a fact in this very free form case?

I am sorry, i think that the host is responsible for their guest. I was in a fraternity in college so i have seen some drinking. Our house was out on a very large parcel of land. Yet, no one died sleeping it off in the field. I attended college in an area known for rapid changes in weather and we had huge parties. Zero deaths.

I don't know, maybe the brothers went out with flashlights to make sure there wasn't anyone outside when it was cold and we had a party. But, i kinda don't think so.

We served PGA punch. So, people got seriously drunk. We were supposed to stay sober enough to somewhat pay attention to our guests and we always served food. It wasn't much but it was better than nothing.

So, i was regularly in a house with much younger guys than these guys and things weren't a hot mess. I was friends with guys in two other frats and i went to their houses all the time. No one went outside and just died at them either.

Something else happened here.

I agree! 100%

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I wholeheartedly believe in Occam’s Razor.

It does seem odd that JW missed texts, calls, or other means of communication, but I feel bad for him. He just lost three friends in such a traumatic way, and social media idiots are attacking him without any evidence.

By the same token, they are painting his 3 friends out to be OD victims, and worse, without any evidence.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Except these guys were seasoned alcohol drinkers.
They’re not going to go outside and sit there and die, just from alcohol.

Well, I did delete my post shortly after, however…. Yeah, been there done that with alcohol when in my younger years. Didn’t live in a big city like that either, but I still locked my doors. Maybe I’m just paranoid.

No, I agree with you. Even very inebriated, if he could walk them to the door, he would've locked it. Force of habit. And if he didn't lock it, why did the fiancee have to break in. Surely someone would have tried the door knob before going to such extreme measures as breaking in through a basement window.

 

[Forest_Wood]

I also wish that LE had asked for the renter's phone. It doesn't sound like they did, as they did a quick cursory search, waiting at least 2 days later to do a more thorough search. By then the men had been dead 4 days.

I read earlier that it snowed overnight there after the game. I'm just picturing those 3 friends lying out there with the snow coming down and slowly covering them. Very sad all the way around.

@twall just posted a video of Cuomo on News Nation who interviewed the tenant's lawyer who explains the calls that came in on his phone from Sat night through Tues.

 

[MyBelle]

We're all just speculating. There's been no LE statement about any substances being consumed at his house, right? (Including alcohol.)

I find it a little odd that LE has said publicly at least once that he's not a suspect. In fact, they've said that they don't suspect foul play. But he hired a lawyer, AFTER he already spoke to LE. I would've hired one immediately. It seems like the time for concern has passed: he did the interview and he's not a suspect. Why go to that expense after the fact? I'm not saying it's suspicious necessarily, but definitely odd. Maybe his father insisted on a lawyer, idk.

I just know if I awaken to 3 dead bodies in my backyard, my first call is going to be to an attorney.

I doubt he awakened--or knew there were 3 dead friends in his backyard--at 9:30 pm when LE came to his door.

I think he hired an attorney after he learned a woman had broken into his house and he wasn't aware of it until LE told him.

JMO

 

[MesquiteO21]

We're all just speculating. There's been no LE statement about any substances being consumed at his house, right? (Including alcohol.)

I find it a little odd that LE has said publicly at least once that he's not a suspect. In fact, they've said that they don't suspect foul play. But he hired a lawyer, AFTER he already spoke to LE. I would've hired one immediately. It seems like the time for concern has passed: he did the interview and he's not a suspect. Why go to that expense after the fact? I'm not saying it's suspicious necessarily, but definitely odd. Maybe his father insisted on a lawyer, idk.

I just know if I awaken to 3 dead bodies in my backyard, my first call is going to be to an attorney.

Your first call should be to 911, for this exact reason! Second call can be to an attorney