MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #2

[Curiousobserver]

These are 3 unattended deaths and I am sure police started out investigating this with an eye toward a potential for criminal activity. The police already know a lot more than they have released, which is virtually nothing BTW.

Pointing to another very similar case linked below where a lot of the initial reporting about what happened was wrong, but frequently repeated in the media, so much so that police made a special statement.

Muskogee Police release updates on missing woman's cause of death

Muskogee Police released an update regarding the death of Amanda Harms.

www.fox23.com

 

[browneyes]

This is one of the saddest cases. I’m not sure anyone will know exactly what happened that night and in what order. For me, I will not criticize the family or fiancée’s actions. They are innocent victims of whatever happened. Just like the deaths, sometimes things cannot be explained. I also think scrutinizing and questioning their actions, after the deaths, just takes the focus off the real issue and feels like blame. JMHO

 

[MyBelle]

Not without evidence of a crime. Police can't just enter someone's house because a woman thinks her fiance is there.

If no one answers the door, LE CAN enter when doing a wellbeing check because the man's car was there. KC was hit by a snowstorm/wind/cold Jan 8/9. Many schools were closed. It's a moot point in this case because the door was answered.

JMO

 

[TailSpin]

As far as evidence, assuming some had phones with them reviewing activity and gps data would help with the timeline. I can buy that JW was unaware his friends were dead in the back yard but if cause of death is laced illegal drugs then I could imagine JW trying to avoid criminal charges and so could be lying to avoid being charged.

 

[SMK777]

As far as evidence, assuming some had phones with them reviewing activity and gps data would help with the timeline. I can buy that JW was unaware his friends were dead in the back yard but if cause of death is laced illegal drugs then I could imagine JW trying to avoid criminal charges and so could be lying to avoid being charged.

It’s possible, yes.

 

[MyBelle]

As far as evidence, assuming some had phones with them reviewing activity and gps data would help with the timeline. I can buy that JW was unaware his friends were dead in the back yard but if cause of death is laced illegal drugs then I could imagine JW trying to avoid criminal charges and so could be lying to avoid being charged.

Even if the tox results show the three died from drugs, LE would still need proof JW provided the drugs. I seriously doubt that he did because he willingly met with LE without an attorney being present.

JMO

 

[SMK777]

Even if the tox results show the three died from drugs, LE would still need proof JW provided the drugs. I seriously doubt that he did because he willingly met with LE without an attorney being present.

JMO

True. In any case there would be no proof. Unless some kind of witness or phone data proves it.

 

[Forest_Wood]

LE can likely check video cameras from nearby homes but also from street cameras or businesses to observe if the three men left in their car or on foot that night and if they then returned. We don't even know time of death.

 

[branmuffin]

There seems to be a lot of snow in front of the gate, which would make it difficult to open, but yeah, they could have climbed over it, or kicked a few boards out.

Do we know if the wooden fence went all the way around the back yard? It would make sense if it did because it would be a play area for the dogs, but I recall seeing a photo from the back of the house and there was no wooden fence along the back of the property. It's possible that the photographer was leaning over the fence and that is why it wasn't shown in the picture.

Whatever the case with the fence, it's not reasonable to believe that the men died simply because they got stuck outside on a cold night. I sympathize with the families' anger.

According to Google images there is a wooden fence around the perimeter of the property.

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[cuffem]

As far as evidence, assuming some had phones with them reviewing activity and gps data would help with the timeline. I can buy that JW was unaware his friends were dead in the back yard but if cause of death is laced illegal drugs then I could imagine JW trying to avoid criminal charges and so could be lying to avoid being charged.

Can he still be charged if something illegal like od’s happening in his home while he is in the home?

 

[SMK777]

Can he still be charged if something illegal like od’s happening in his home while he is in the home?

Not certain — do you mean liability for allowing it? Or maybe he was worried about a civil suit?
Another thought: A hospital can be sued if one of its employees sexually assaults a patient— even if administrators didn’t know of it and didn’t allow it. Maybe JW was thinking along these lines?

 

[SMK777]

@cuffem See added edit above.

 

[cuffem]

Not certain — do you mean liability for allowing it? Or maybe he was worried about a civil suit?

Yes and yes. I wonder if he went to sleep because he did not want to partake in doing whatever they were doing but he did have knowledge of it occurring at his home.
Speculation only.

 

[SMK777]

Yes and yes. I wonder if he went to sleep because he did not want to partake in doing whatever they were doing but he did have knowledge of it occurring.

That’s possible, yes.

 

[Sospicious]

Why do people keep saying that they were missing for 2.5 days? I thought the timeline was that they were last seen by JW at 2am Monday morning, when he thought they left. So relatives would’ve expected them home Monday am. On Tuesday evening they were missing for 1.5 days?

 

[SMK777]

Yes and yes. I wonder if he went to sleep because he did not want to partake in doing whatever they were doing but he did have knowledge of it occurring At his home.

***Just bringing forward my last thought to expand on it:

Another thought: A hospital can be sued if one of its employees sexually assaults a patient— even if administrators didn’t know of it and didn’t allow it. Maybe JW was thinking along these lines?

Especially because he is an esteemed researcher at the doctoral level and with a prestigious company, he may have thought,

How will that look, me an esteemed researcher working on HIV vaccine breakthroughs, to be irresponsible enough to allow dangerous drug use on my property that results in the death of 3 boyhood friends?

He did immediately retain an expensive criminal defense attorney.

 

[al66pine]

Judging & Social Customs?

where I come from, most old and new friends alike are that 'formal'.... - the host sees us to the door and in good weather, right outside....
a joke meme circulating on FB that makes fun of how many times Canadians say good bye to each other - in the kitchen, the living room, front door, driveway etc.

snipped for focus @LadyL Thanks for sharing this point of view.
Extended repetitious good byes in soc. settings are not exclusive to southern US natives or Canadians.
This youtube* (altho humorously over the top) prompted me to remember that social customs vary from one region to another. And ppl may move great distances & change habits. Or not.

IOW, our personal experiences may not always be an accurate predictive standard for judging other ppl's behaviors.
imo

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* "4-hour Goodbye: My Longest Minnesota Farewell" (58 seconds)
youtube on Twin Cities PBS

 

[kiwilaura]

To me this all seems like they were participating with drugs. And either took too much, or took bad drugs.

What does JW do for work? I wonder if he was aware but wanted to wait as long as possible, knowing he would probably be subject to tox screening when LE became aware of the deaths. How long does it take for certain drugs to become undetectable? Would JW lose his job if found to be taking drugs?

I don’t buy he was conveniently asleep for 48 hours but if he was, that’s a serious bender.

My guess is JW did not murder his friends willingly but may have supplied some bad drugs and is now attempting not to reveal that for fear of consequences. Which is highly cowardly IMHO.

I feel like phone searches might reveal more.

All my opinion.

 

[kiwilaura]

To me this all seems like they were participating with drugs. And either took too much, or took bad drugs.

What does JW do for work? I wonder if he was aware but wanted to wait as long as possible, knowing he would probably be subject to tox screening when LE became aware of the deaths. How long does it take for certain drugs to become undetectable? Would JW lose his job if found to be taking drugs?

I don’t buy he was conveniently asleep for 48 hours but if he was, that’s a serious bender.

My guess is JW did not murder his friends willingly but may have supplied some bad drugs and is now attempting not to reveal that for fear of consequences. Which is highly cowardly IMHO.

I feel like phone searches might reveal more.

All my opinion.

Sorry. Now I see an answer to my own question regarding his line of work. Absolutely I feel like he will not want to disclose possible significant drug use to his employer and thus has put his own welfare ahead of being honest and allowing the three men’s families answers.

TOTALLY my opinion but I think:
- they all took drugs
- I feel it’s quite possible JW supplied the drugs but not aware of the consequences
- was a bad hit and when the men left they were too incapacitated to unlock the gate and sat to rest, succumbing to cold in their reduced state of ability
- maybe they tried to get back in the house but JW was passed out
- JW later became aware of their deaths and avoided all contact over the following day to buy time to cover his butt.

A butt covering exercise would explain the perplexing story. But I think he would do much better to be honest. From reading the articles and statements from loved ones, there are enough hints that they were aware the friends may have taken drugs. It’s naive in the current climate of serious drug problems not to acknowledge it could be a trip gone horribly wrong.

MOO IMO JMO

 

[UK Girl]

To me this all seems like they were participating with drugs. And either took too much, or took bad drugs.

What does JW do for work? I wonder if he was aware but wanted to wait as long as possible, knowing he would probably be subject to tox screening when LE became aware of the deaths. How long does it take for certain drugs to become undetectable? Would JW lose his job if found to be taking drugs?

I don’t buy he was conveniently asleep for 48 hours but if he was, that’s a serious bender.

My guess is JW did not murder his friends willingly but may have supplied some bad drugs and is now attempting not to reveal that for fear of consequences. Which is highly cowardly IMHO.

I feel like phone searches might reveal more.

All my opinion.

he is some sort of scientist