MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #2

[sunshineray]

Another interesting statement because the 5th man has said JW's dogs were at the house that night but his attorney Picerno has said his father had his dogs. So that would lead one to think JW either went out at some point and dropped them off or someone came and picked them up.

"Picerno said his client never left the house from Sunday’s gathering to watch the Chiefs game until after police arrived Tuesday night."

Details change again, 5th friend speaks out after 3 men found dead at KC home

Two weeks after three friends were found dead outside a KC home, an attorney is changing his story and a fifth friend involved is speaking out.

www.google.com

 

[sunshineray]

I read in another article that the dogs were with his father. IDK if this DailyMail is an approved MS media source but have linked the article below. <modsnip>

DailyMail Article

His lawyer also said that about the dogs being with his father in a video interview by Dan Abrams on NewsNation. It's been posted here numerous times.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Well IMO due to suspicious circumstances and multiple deaths it should have automatically started out as possible homicide until it could be determined that it isn't

You make a good point. Although I don't think this case is homicide, LE has to consider it when investigating deaths, because a homicide scene could be staged to appear to be something else. IMO.

 

[comegetburnt]

jmo. would agree with those saying the fact pattern supports an overdose and most likely something (unknowingly) cut with fentanyl. there are countless stories of this happening in recent years, and communications from police do not contradict this assumption.

as to why the renter did not succumb it could be a variety of factors. he didn't partake; he did partake but did not as ingest as much; he did partake but for whatever reason did not succumb, which can happen. a young person from my hometown died a few years ago from cocaine cut with fentanyl; 2-3 others that also partook with him also overdosed, but recovered. apparently it all happened very fast and almost simultaneously among those involved.

while my initial thought was the 3 who perished went outside for a cigarette, another possibility is they felt nauseous and went outside for fresh air or to get sick. opioids can make you sick esp if you're "naive" to the class of drug (i.e. no tolerance).

how the renter of the home did not know that his friends were perished on his property is definitely harder to make sense of, given the unmoved cars, texts/msgs, someone breaking into his house, etc. one can speculate that he did but delayed for any number of reasons. he could have been totally overwhelmed by what happened; feared legal/professional consequences; delayed to come up with a "story" or get rid of evidence that may have implicated or reflected poorly on him. admittedly none of those are particularly compelling reasons if these were close friends, and delaying arguably put him in a worse spot than he would be otherwise (certainly reputationally if not legally).

 

[Arkay]

Timeline of the new friend, whom instantly lawyered up? What time was Jeopardy on? I am finding conflicting times.

In my family, we tape Jeopardy and watch it at our leisure.

Football fans want to watch the game live, particularly when it‘s your team playing, but as the Jan. 7th game was a nonentity and the starters were inactive, possibly they taped the game also. Or paused it to do the things that it seems they may have done as far as drugs and alcohol.

JW and the 5th man can easily clarify the timeline for LE, if they both are telling the truth.

IMO

 

[Elley Mae]

Picerno explained, in part, “Two people came to his house; however, he did not hear them as he sleeps with air buds and a loud fan. One of those people, the wife of one of the deceased, tried to reach him via Facebook messenger. Unfortunately, he did not see this message until after the police contacted him. Two of his friends parked their cars on the street, and there were no cars parked in his driveway. Jordan did not notice the cars in the street.”

3 men found dead in friend’s backyard after watching Chiefs game: ‘None of the stories are adding up’

Multiple families are searching for answers after three men were mysteriously found dead in the backyard of another friend’s home in Kansas City after watching a Chiefs game together.

www.kwqc.com

 

[Starrlight]

It may have been mentioned, but I just read about three people who died of fentanyl overdose in California. This is just my opinion about what I think happened.
It’s pretty common unfortunately.

Soft Moon musician and DJ among three found dead in LA loft of suspected fentanyl overdose

Vasquez, 44, was found dead Thursday alongside the DJ, real name John “Juan” Mendez, and Mendez’s wife Simone Ling, 43, after a welfare check, sources told the Los Angeles Times.

nypost.com

 

[Rose1981]

In my family, we tape Jeopardy and watch it at our leisure.

Football fans want to watch the game live, particularly when it‘s your team playing, but as the Jan. 7th game was a nonentity and the starters were inactive, possibly they taped the game also. Or paused it to do the things that it seems they may have done as far as drugs and alcohol.

JW and the 5th man can easily clarify the timeline for LE, if they both are telling the truth.

IMO

Hopefully LE can see that on JW's electronics history. To see if number 5 is telling the truth. I myself would have not wanted to stay to watch that show. But not everyone is the same. Wonder if the victim's families could answer if their loved ones would have watched that show as well.

 

[Teche]

where I come from, most old and new friends alike are that 'formal'
my family does it with each other every get-together - the host sees us to the door and in good weather, right outside
I do it with my friends
it's not strange to me
in fact there's a joke meme circulating on FB that makes fun of how many times Canadians say good bye to each other - in the kitchen, the living room, front door, driveway etc.

Cajuns do the same.

 

[louvillian08]

In my family, we tape Jeopardy and watch it at our leisure.

Football fans want to watch the game live, particularly when it‘s your team playing, but as the Jan. 7th game was a nonentity and the starters were inactive, possibly they taped the game also. Or paused it to do the things that it seems they may have done as far as drugs and alcohol.

JW and the 5th man can easily clarify the timeline for LE, if they both are telling the truth.

IMO

I also tape and watch it! But Jeopardy was on at 1am that night in my time zone (Eastern), I believe technically 1:07am because of the previous programming so the 5th man saying they were watching Jeopardy around 12am Central time when he left, does match up

 

[Rose1981]

Cajuns do the same.

So now the three friends are outside. How did they get in the fenced in backyard dead?

I also tape and watch it! But Jeopardy was on at 1am that night in my time zone (Eastern), I believe technically 1:07am because of the previous programming so the 5th man saying they were watching Jeopardy around 12am Central time when he left, does match up

Thank you.

 

[Elley Mae]

So now the three friends are outside. How did they get in the fenced in backyard dead?

Thank you.

I smoke outside not in the house no matter the weather.

Jmo

 

[TailSpin]

As this incident does not appear to be a planned, I expect evidence will unravel the whole story. I don't know how someone can claim to have been sleeping for 2 days straight. You need to eat and go the bathroom. Walking around the house you would think there would be signs that someone was still there. I'm thinking the guy who lives in the house realized his friends were dead and had some kind of breakdown that prevented him from being rational.

 

[10ofRods]

So now we have contradictory reports on where the cars were. Two days ago, it was "cars were on the street" (I think that's from JW's attorney) and now we hear that the cars are in the driveway (although that's just one article and not from a primary source - isn't clear where that article got the information).

I'll be sticking with cars were in the street for the time being. The stories about the dogs are contradictory as well and I await clarification. If Fifth Person is correct, dogs were at the house that night - and if that's true, then JW (or someone) had to move the dogs. Seems like Fifth Person would remember the dogs accurately, but who knows. One article says at least one is a pit bull. I think a person would remember a pit bull, but maybe if Fifth Person is frequently at the house, they conflated details from more than one visit. It happens.

Whole story is so difficult to understand. I truly understand why the grieving families are so outspoken and upset.

 

[TailSpin]

as to why the renter did not succumb it could be a variety of factors. he didn't partake; he did partake but did not as ingest as much; he did partake but for whatever reason did not succumb.

He may have had a higher tolerance to the drugs from being a habitual user compared to his friends.

 

[10ofRods]

As this incident does not appear to be a planned, I expect evidence will unravel the whole story. I don't know how someone can claim to have been sleeping for 2 days straight. You need to eat and go the bathroom. Walking around the house you would think there would be signs that someone was still there. I'm thinking the guy who lives in the house realized his friends were dead and had some kind of breakdown that prevented him from being rational.

He doesn't claim that (that's a media interpretation). His lawyer says he was sleeping and working from home. So do several news articles. One rogue tabloid is making it "sleep for 48 hours" but that's not anywhere in any of JW's statements made through his lawyer.

IMO. I"m not sure what evidence three already-dead men in the backyard would leave inside the house that shows their position and what has happened. There is mention of a jacket belonging to one of them still in the house when LE arrives, I believe. So that could have been noticed - but not sure I'd think anything more than, "Hmm, wonder when he'll come back for his jacket?" I would probably reach out and let the dude know that his jacket was at my house, given that it was a game day.

Other than the jacket, what signs would he have seen just walking around the house? I assume most blinds were closed to help keep the interior warm. The drone picture of the backyard published by Fox4 show the blinds closed in the back.

If he did know the bodies were there, then his appearance in boxers with a wine glass (which he says contained water) must have been a studied part of staging and he would have had to enact astonishment in front of LE. If he did not know they were there, as he says, I find that explainable in this day of people spending so much time on line and sleeping with noise machines, headphones, etc (which many people on this thread also do).

Anyway, thank you for keeping the discussion going. This one is truly a head scratcher.

 

[MesquiteO21]

jmo. would agree with those saying the fact pattern supports an overdose and most likely something (unknowingly) cut with fentanyl. there are countless stories of this happening in recent years, and communications from police do not contradict this assumption.

as to why the renter did not succumb it could be a variety of factors. he didn't partake; he did partake but did not as ingest as much; he did partake but for whatever reason did not succumb, which can happen. a young person from my hometown died a few years ago from cocaine cut with fentanyl; 2-3 others that also partook with him also overdosed, but recovered. apparently it all happened very fast and almost simultaneously among those involved.

while my initial thought was the 3 who perished went outside for a cigarette, another possibility is they felt nauseous and went outside for fresh air or to get sick. opioids can make you sick esp if you're "naive" to the class of drug (i.e. no tolerance).

how the renter of the home did not know that his friends were perished on his property is definitely harder to make sense of, given the unmoved cars, texts/msgs, someone breaking into his house, etc. one can speculate that he did but delayed for any number of reasons. he could have been totally overwhelmed by what happened; feared legal/professional consequences; delayed to come up with a "story" or get rid of evidence that may have implicated or reflected poorly on him. admittedly none of those are particularly compelling reasons if these were close friends, and delaying arguably put him in a worse spot than he would be otherwise (certainly reputationally if not legally).

this is where i'm at too. i really don't think it could be hypothermia with the temps it was that night. i could see it being some kind of poisoning like fentanyl (but not necessarily nefarious, could very well have honestly just been an accident)

the behavior of the renter afterwards though is definitely weird.

 

[branmuffin]

But lawyers are supposed to put a stop to these kinds of things.

That's why I'm so baffled that his lawyer keeps putting out conflicting statements.

I think it's quite possible that it's his counsel who is the one who keeps asking for further clarification which in turn ends up with conflicting statements. He's been quiet for a couple of days now; no more new statements. Which is a good thing. He's not only tanking JW's claims of unawareness of the tragedy that befell his buddies, he's tanking his own career.

If he felt he needed further clarification from an individual who was suffering from a trauma as well as perhaps not functioning at 100% based on his alleged recent activities he should have given one statement something like "my client vigorously defends his innocence regarding the deaths of his lifelong friends and to respect his grief he won't be making any more statements at this time." He could have sorted out the discrepancies in the narrative privately until he was satisfied that the information he had was as accurate as possible instead of a play by play of the ever changing story.

 

[sunshineray]

So now the three friends are outside. How did they get in the fenced in backyard dead?

Thank you.

Well JW's lawyer supposed that because JW left the door unlocked they came back inside. That was in one of the numerous changing versions anyway.

 

[branmuffin]

Timeline of the new friend, whom instantly lawyered up? What time was Jeopardy on? I am finding conflicting times.

I have a feeling that JW records Jeopardy episodes for later viewing. If JW started watching some saved Jeopardy episodes it may have been a subtle hint that the night was over and time to say goodnight. IMO

If it was CO, I'd expect the person inside to be dead and the ones outside to be the survivors.

MOO

I wondered about CO too, but that was in relationship to running vehicles in the garage but since the cars turned out to be on the street it wasn't an issue. However, I remember the real estate images showed the back room that has a door to the backyard having a fireplace, I think a wood burning one. I guess it's possible if JW only started renting the home in August he may never have started a fire there but decided to when he had company. It may have had a build up of creosote in the chimney which in turn can cause CO to leak into the living spaces. It may not have affected JW if he went to a different room to lie down. If the fire burned out then the danger passed. He may have had a killer headache, though. Just speculation at this point in time.