MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #3

[Chimera]

Curious if it is a camera or a light fixture between the two upstairs windows? moo

Great point !
And, any other cameras around the house ?
Omo.

 

[sunshineray]

DailyMail.com can also reveal detectives have not ruled out re-interviewing Jordan Willis, 38, (pictured with a relative)

Relatives of the close friends have been asked for the codes to unlock the devices to see what photos were taken in their last hours and to see exactly who each of them called.

The father of 37-year-old victim David Harrington – who died along with Clayton McGeeney, 36, and Ricky Johnson, 38 – told DailyMail.com: 'I had a detective ask for my son's code because they couldn't unlock his phone.

Jon Harrington, 58, continued: 'They can access the call records but they wanted to see what else the phones contained.

'I know that they asked all the other families as well. In fact, I didn't know the code, so couldn't help.'

Families spoken to by DailyMail.com have said they cannot dismiss drugs as a possible cause of death of all three.

'Fifth man' Lee (front left) has hired an attorney, Andrew Talge. The criminal defense lawyer said his client turned up at the house at 7pm and left at midnight when the four other men were watching Jeopardy

Detectives hoping to access phones for answers in Chiefs fans deaths

Relatives told DailyMail.com detectives are trying to gain access to the cellphones of Chiefs fans David Harrington, 37, Clayton McGeeney, 36, and Ricky Johnson, 38.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Oh wow I never thought of that, maybe three phones to unlock that LE can't get into. That would be very troublesome for an investigation!

 

[arielilane]

@alcaprari23

Just had an incredible conversation with Caleb McGeeney, Clayton's cousin. He knows Jordan Willis and had a lot to say about him and the night the #KansasCity3 died. Will post video of my conversation ASAP.


4:47 PM · Jan 31, 2024 from Platte City, MO

https://twitter.com/x/status/1752810903668457756

 

[10ofRods]

You're absolutely right. Being that it's the prosecutor and not the chief of police setting up the meeting and it being at the death house is very unusual. That threw me on om second and third thoughts about this meeting. Why not just meet at his office, right? Only thing I could think was that because of the families strife being so vocal in the media maybe the the prosecutor thought they needed to know why there were no criminal charges going to be brought against JW? Idk, it IS confusing, this meeting.

One I see is that this gathering will include some key witnesses (whose stories may not entirely jibe).

And that the family members who were involved can also tell the DA exactly what they did.

And more important: Visiting the scene and hearing exactly where the bodies were found - that alone would be worth an immense amount to me, personally. I wouldn't want to look at 10 different versions of the house splashed over social media, I'd want the DA and investigators to show me exactly where the chairs/bodies were found; whether the blinds were open and how far - told to me by the first LE on the scene (or via their reports). Total transparency.

It would help me make sense of things - which is my first approach to death. And many people are the same. I assume that the initial autopsy findings will also be shared. There are some good techniques for analyzing whether hypothermia was a factor - and there's a particular progress toward death that starts with the brain (needs to be warm, is on one end of the body) and ends with the heart (hypothermia's proximate cause of death is heart attack). I am guessing the DA will simply say, "They died of hypothermia" (if they did - which is my presumption at this point).

IMO.

 

[Shamrock1]

Is it a criminal investigation though?
LE could go in the home without a warrant, they could just ask the homeowner for access

IMO I feel like they might be asking family to meet there so they can maybe show them what they saw in terms of being able to see out the windows or things of that nature that have to do with the house.. I think it would be something like that because the families have also questioned/wondered how they were missed for that long. Maybe even to show where JW was and how he might actually be unable to hear.
So they could just be clearing up some of these types of things since family are doing all these news interviews and JW is basicly being attacked, especially if they are '100%' that he did nothing wrong or criminal.
JW's lawyer has certainly not helped this matter with the varying/inconsistent statements.
So maybe LE feels that doing this might clear up a lot of the misunderstanding, and maybe slow the misinformed accusations or assumptions being publicly made.

The tenant resident is the one who would grant access - not the property owner. A landlord cannot consent to a search of a tenant’s property - just common areas where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy, such as a shared hallway or laundry room.

 

[iluvmua]

Host of Chiefs Watch Party Heads to Rehab, Deceased Have Ties to Drugs

The man who hosted the ill-fated Kansas City Chiefs watch party that ended with three deaths is reportedly seeking addiction help in rehab -- and TMZ has learned more info about the deceased that could provide clues about what might've happened.

www.tmz.com

 

[Auntie Cipation]

The tenant resident is the one who would grant access - not the property owner. A landlord cannot consent to a search of a tenant’s property - just common areas where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy, such as a shared hallway or laundry room.

Except the tenant has already vacated the house.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

“After the shocking loss of three of his close friends under extremely tragic circumstances, Jordan recognized that he had a problem with addiction,” the source said, without elaborating on the exact nature.

“He immediately checked himself into rehab after vacating his home and putting his things into storage.”

Kansas City Chiefs fan who hosted watch party where three friends froze to death checks into rehab

The Kansas City Chiefs fan who claimed to be oblivious to his three friends being frozen to death outside his home has checked into rehab, according to a report.

nypost.com

Seems most likely they died from overdoses. There is still the question of whether JW supplied the drugs. moo

 

[arielilane]

Host of Chiefs Watch Party Heads to Rehab, Deceased Have Ties to Drugs

The man who hosted the ill-fated Kansas City Chiefs watch party that ended with three deaths is reportedly seeking addiction help in rehab -- and TMZ has learned more info about the deceased that could provide clues about what might've happened.

www.tmz.com

In AB's (new neighbor) video the truck is covered in snow, but the other car is not. So I supposed it doesn't belong to one of the dead men's vehicle, and belongs to the fiancee? moo

 

[10ofRods]

The tenant resident is the one who would grant access - not the property owner. A landlord cannot consent to a search of a tenant’s property - just common areas where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy, such as a shared hallway or laundry room.

What if JW, upon leaving (and perhaps having month to month) let the lease go? That's what I picture.

He could very well be month-to-month and his landlord, in these circumstances, is well-advised to let him go.

Except the tenant has already vacated the house.

And I presume he "gave notice." At any rate, we're coming up on a month since the deaths. Most leases can be terminated upon one month's notice. When is this visit actually scheduled? Do we know?

IMO

 

[al66pine]

ProsAtty Meeting w Fam's at House.

....But of these two sets of public employees, the DA's office would be the best equipped (being lawyers) to deal with potentially litigious people....

It's awful that in the US, increasingly, victims' families can't get more immediate answers....This case has attracted international attention...

It's great that the DA is giving the families this opportunity, as he knows they will speak to the press afterwards - it's bold but I think it's also compassionate. IMO.

snipped for focus @10ofRods. Thx for another thought provoking post.

Re ¶1. Agreeing that prosecutor/staff is in better position than LE to explain evd (lack of?) & to answer fams'/survivors' questions about why no crime, ergo, no prosecution.

Re ¶2. IDK how either LE or prosecution can provide more "immediate answers" for victim's families. Not saying as a fam member I would be more patient but I understand that there are stretches of radio silence from officials involved in these situations.
May sound cold, but this is not the only case in LE's & Prosecuting Atty's workload. Other victims & surviving fams have been waiting longer. And to some extent, LE & ProsAtty are at the mercy of the Med Examiner's workload and PRIVATE LABs processing tox materials, et al.
Maybe more $$$ from state or county could help w this, IDK.
Re ¶2 International attention on this case? Well, I hope LE & ProsAtty & others in the KCMO legal galaxy are doing their best.

¶3. ProsAtty doing this is "bold... also compassionate."
Skimming MO. statute re "Rights of Victims" * of crimes, I'm not seeing any provision that would compel ProsAtty to meet or consult w these fam's, IF a determination is made that there is no crime the office can/will prosecute.
imo

Tragic deaths. Hoping the fam's can find some comfort in meeting.
__________________________________________

* 595.209. Rights of victims and witnesses — written notification, requirements.

595.209

Rights of victims and witnesses — written notification, requirements.

revisor.mo.gov

 

[ifindedout]

Curious if it is a camera or a light fixture between the two upstairs windows? moo

I think it may be just a light. ICBW MOO YMMV

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[10ofRods]

ProsAtty Meeting w Fam's at House.

snipped for focus @10ofRods. Thx for another thought provoking post.

Re ¶1. Agreeing that prosecutor/staff is in better position than LE to explain evd (lack of?) & to answer fams'/survivors' questions about why no crime, ergo, no prosecution.

Re ¶2. IDK how either LE or prosecution can provide more "immediate answers" for victim's families. Not saying as a fam member I would be more patient but I understand that there are stretches of radio silence from officials involved in these situations.
May sound cold, but this is not the only case in LE's & Prosecuting Atty's workload. Other victims & surviving fams have been waiting longer. And to some extent, LE & ProsAtty are at the mercy of the Med Examiner's workload and PRIVATE LABs processing tox materials, et al.
Maybe more $$$ from state or county could help w this, IDK.
Re ¶2 International attention on this case? Well, I hope LE & ProsAtty & others in the KCMO legal galaxy are doing their best.

¶3. ProsAtty doing this is "bold... also compassionate."
Skimming MO. statute re "Rights of Victims" * of crimes, I'm not seeing any provision that would compel ProsAtty to meet or consult w these fam's, IF a determination is made that there is no crime the office can/will prosecute.
imo

Tragic deaths. Hoping the fam's can find some comfort in meeting.
__________________________________________

* 595.209. Rights of victims and witnesses — written notification, requirements.

595.209

Rights of victims and witnesses — written notification, requirements.

revisor.mo.gov

There is no jurisdiction in these United States that would compel a D.A. to do this. But they have some latitude in what they do. They can volunteer to do this, as appears to have happened. So far as we know, no legal documents on behalf of the families have been filed against the D.A. They seem ready to make complaints (which would go to the D.A. in most places against the police).

That's how I view a summary of what's going on with the continued speaking out to news agency by various family/friend parties. D.A. is trying to do something truly judicious. They are trying to show why it's not a criminal case, by walking the family through the evidence - including the crime scene. As I said earlier, if I were a family member, this would be part of what I was seeking and would calm me down considerably. I assume that the D.A. knows quite a bit about family grieving processes and is willing to listen to new ideas about how to make everyone feel there has been justice.

D.A.'s are indeed bound by various laws and statements of rights. That doesn't mean they can't go one step further (with either set of issues). No one is bound by the "bare minimum" of performance in any public job that I am aware of. We can always go a bit further (if we wish).

No one has said the D.A. was compelled to do this. Quite the opposite. Which is why I'm still saying it's an unusual, compassionate and possibly, the just thing to do.

If it's not criminal, there will never be a trial. At trial, families get some closure by learning facts. Here, the family can learn relevant facts long before the trial (which the D.A. is trying to say will never occur).

It's also interesting that the D.A. is wisely and justly playing the proper role. LE doesn't bring charges (or extend use of investigative resources). It's the D.A. who does that (and has discretionary budget). So now, the family's lawyers (if any) will have to think about suing the D.A. instead of or in addition to LE.

I think the D.A. is striking a good defensive posture for the people they represent, if they believe no crime has been committed.

IMO

 

[MyBelle]

The tenant resident is the one who would grant access - not the property owner. A landlord cannot consent to a search of a tenant’s property - just common areas where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy, such as a shared hallway or laundry room.

The tenant did grant LE access to search the property. Now, he's vacated the property. If the DA is meeting the families at the house, I doubt LE investigators will attend. A meeting doesn't = search. I think the DA wants to give them the reason why he isn't pressing charges against JW or #5 and also show them where the bodies were found. He's showing them compassion.

If the three families have been asked for codes to search the phones, that is an indication to me that the three men may have ingested drugs laced with a toxic substance and that LE are trying to find out the identity of who sold the drugs. I think LE has already searched the phones of JW and also #5.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I think it may be just a light. ICBW MOO YMMV

That house backs up to a very busy road. It might have a camera/light as part of its security system. We have them.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

There is no jurisdiction in these United States that would compel a D.A. to do this. But they have some latitude in what they do. They can volunteer to do this, as appears to have happened. So far as we know, no legal documents on behalf of the families have been filed against the D.A. They seem ready to make complaints (which would go to the D.A. in most places against the police).

That's how I view a summary of what's going on with the continued speaking out to news agency by various family/friend parties. D.A. is trying to do something truly judicious. They are trying to show why it's not a criminal case, by walking the family through the evidence - including the crime scene. As I said earlier, if I were a family member, this would be part of what I was seeking and would calm me down considerably. I assume that the D.A. knows quite a bit about family grieving processes and is willing to listen to new ideas about how to make everyone feel there has been justice.

D.A.'s are indeed bound by various laws and statements of rights. That doesn't mean they can't go one step further (with either set of issues). No one is bound by the "bare minimum" of performance in any public job that I am aware of. We can always go a bit further (if we wish).

No one has said the D.A. was compelled to do this. Quite the opposite. Which is why I'm still saying it's an unusual, compassionate and possibly, the just thing to do.

If it's not criminal, there will never be a trial. At trial, families get some closure by learning facts. Here, the family can learn relevant facts long before the trial (which the D.A. is trying to say will never occur).

It's also interesting that the D.A. is wisely and justly playing the proper role. LE doesn't bring charges (or extend use of investigative resources). It's the D.A. who does that (and has discretionary budget). So now, the family's lawyers (if any) will have to think about suing the D.A. instead of or in addition to LE.

I think the D.A. is striking a good defensive posture for the people they represent, if they believe no crime has been committed.

IMO

I think the DA wants to deliver the results of the tox screens before it hits the media.

JMO

 

[December]

In AB's (new neighbor) video the truck is covered in snow, but the other car is not. So I supposed it doesn't belong to one of the dead men's vehicle, and belongs to the fiancee? moo

There is a car covered in snow
But, i think, in between them is a car that is not.

The victims' vehicles have a little distance between them
Other cars probably were on the street the night they parked.

 

[TIGER0822]

Either the Police are jumping to foregone conclusions or they are being very careful not to point the finger or spook a possible suspect before their investigation is completed . Thr Barry Morphew case was a painful example of LE arresting BM before they had solid evidence. There was a lot of other issues with that case (AKA a total disaster).

January 9, Captain Jake Becchina of the Kansas City Police Department said in a statement to Fox News Digital: "First and foremost, this case is 100% NOT being investigated as a homicide. There have not been any arrests [or] charges, and no one is in custody.

 

[December]

JW got the mys van and hopped out pretty fast, but his lease is probably still in effect. He might have scheduled to terminate it, but he is probably still the one who can grant permission.

He has moved, police have searched it. So, why not let families look at it?

 

[Peppery]

JW got the mys van and hopped out pretty fast, but his lease is probably still in effect. He might have scheduled to terminate it, but he is probably still the one who can grant permission.

He has moved, police have searched it. So, why not let families look at it?

I suspect today 1/31 is the final day of his lease (likely terminated early) and tomorrow 2/1 the owner takes possession and is allowing the DA meeting.